Maury Lie Detector

According to the Institute of Economics and Peace, in their 2018 Global Terrorism Index, they state that in 2017 while the number of deaths from terrorism fell by 5,000 from 2016 there were still 18,814 people killed by terrorists worldwide. Of that number, 18,696 were by radical Islamic groups, 17 were by far-right extremists, and the rest were other. Most deaths occurred in Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia, Syria, and Pakistan.

http://economicsandpeace.org/reports/

That's a stretch. Show me the body counts of Christians vs. Muslims in the last few hundred years. Or Christians vs civilians in the last few hundred years. Or, really ever- the Muslims have outkilled the Christians since Mohammads time.

So you forget the non-Christians burned at the stake as heretics, or the genocide against the native people of the Americas? I could go on, but let's just leave you with this one... great story, forced conversion to Christianity, murder and massacres all in one.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pizarro-traps-incan-emperor-atahualpa

The old 'genocide against native people" myth rears it's ugly head again. They are still here and the greatest loss of life of them was via disease which they hadn't built up immunity against. Yes, they got a raw deal for sure but they weren't victims of genocide.

Both world wars. Every european war ever. American Civil war. American war of Independence. Colonisation of Africa and South America. The list goes on

The wars you mention are nation vs nation, not religion vs religion.

Still lotta deaths caused by Christians. Your point is moot

Purposely ignoring the fact that Christianity has progressed since the Middle Ages and Islam has not doesn't bolster your case. If you have to go back hundreds of years to match the barbarity of current Muslims you're losing the argument.

"Purposely ignoring the fact that Christianity has progressed since the Middle Ages and Islam has not doesn't bolster your case."

But it has and I am not. I am well aware that the Arabic cultures (including religon) were basically left behind by history. But Islam has indeed changed, just not radically (excuse the pun). Its been gradual and as an Imam stated on the matter of Islamic Radicals "The age if Islamic Conquest is over. Its now the time if peace"

"barbarity of current Muslims"

You see, here is the problem. You just said that as if all Muslims were Barbaric. While I do agree that 'followers' of the Religon have used radical aspects of it to further their own goals in areas where the religon is popular and I agree that there are Muslim Radicals who are nothing short of Barbaric terrorists in the guise of pious men. But that doesn't mean all of them are. Ask any Muslim in the West and even quite a few in the middld east and africa who are pushing progressive agendas. Fact is that Islam is a conservative religon and that a minority of them are radicalized (The cause of which We Europeans and you Americans have helped create, by Arming them/the effects of colonisation and so on)

That’s like saying homosexuals are causing more deaths than ever because more of them serve in the military now.

Yeah, its bonkers. If we are deciding how violent a Religon is based on the number of people who killed people in that religion. Its exactly like that.

You forget that Muslims were fighting in both WWs. These wars weren't religious based and people were drafted against their consent on all sides to fight for leaders that didn't have religious motives.

Ah' know. Its bonkers. If we are deciding how violent a Religon is based on the number of people who killed people in that religion. Its as if "saying homosexuals are causing more deaths than ever because more of them serve in the military now!"

Your point is moot. If you go back far enough you will find radicals in almost any religion that advocated death to the "infidels". In the modern era reason and common sense prevail (say the last 50-100 years) there is only one religion that still advocates death to the so-called "infidels" and it ain't the Christians.

Yes except the last part.

Every Religon has have and will have radicals. To point out that these people killed this amount of people therefore their Religion without even looking at the religon (Which doesn't advocate unprovoked violence at all, and inly condones self defence, something you'd know had you done a five second google search) is violent is utter idiocy

my point, you f**king moron is that the only religion that advocates violence today is Islam!

Wrong. You f**king moron. Violence isn't institutionalized in Islam. The only violence it aproves of is self defence and thats it. End of disscusion. Do a five f**king second google search you utter dim wittied moron!

10 second google search you POS
https://www.christianconcern.com/our-issues/islam/is-islam-a-religion-of-peace

an excerpt:
Leading scholar David Cook argues that attempts to present jihad in purely spiritual terms are completely unsupported by the evidence, and only occur in writings for Western audiences: “Those who write in Arabic or other Muslim majority languages realise that it is pointless to present jihad as anything other than militant warfare.”[7]

In fact, jihad as physical fighting for the spread of Islam is so prominent in the traditional teaching of Islam that it is sometimes referred to as the sixth pillar of Islam. In the earliest hadith collections, sections on jihad immediately follow those on the five pillars.[8] The primary meaning of jihad has always been physical fighting. This applies to the Qur’an, the hadith, Islamic history and classical Islamic hermeneutics.

I think you googled Why islam isn't a religon of peace. Google, just these two words, Coexistence Quran. Let me give you tge top results in my search

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f94c/bd78510b2bbad136fe4ca91f1dac2a3e409c.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjQ5sOY2-jhAhVDxcQBHUOWAowQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0BThKXd8d4ziJPrjBbgwZ0

http://www.inspiredbymuhammad.com/coexistence.php

https://solution-for-peace.com/2016/explanation-of-quran-608-peaceful-coexistence-in-islam/

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/living-harmony-islamic-perspective-shaykh-mansour-leghaei

Thats The first few results I got. Now perhaps you should try and not be an utter depraved asshat

What's lost here is what does the religion actually tell it's followers to do. Jesus summed up the greatest command when asked by saying to love God with all of your heart soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. What are Muslims told by Muhammad? To smite unbelievers(infadels) if they don't pay them or submit. The other often overlooked aspect of Islam is that it is a theocracy. God is love while Islam means to submit.

Do Christians and Muslims always do what their holy books tell them to do? No. I am thankful for peaceful Muslims who overlook or ignore these commands just as I am disappointed when Christians don't live up to the ideals of Christianity. But to pretend that they are on the same moral plane displays ignorance. Loving my neighbor and smiting my neighbor are two different things.

Jesus lived a perfect life while Muhammad admitted his sins and was also a pedophile even by the standards of his times as he married a 9 year old.

If Islam is a religion of peace then someone should tell the Muslims. Christians(as a whole) aren't having an issue with killing themselves and others in the name of Jesus but Muslims are doing so in the name of Allah - a false god if there ever was one and Muhammad was a false prophet and the Quran is a mess.

Love this comment. You sum it up well.

Never underestimate the value of a good night's sleep:) Thanks

I think people never look at anything actually that's in the Bible or Quran. I've never read the Quran (as a Christian) but I have seen several excerpts. Then they make dumb assumptions.

So true. We Christians have to bring truth to this matter more-so than at any time in history. Christianity is the target and we have to be ready. I know the parts of the Quran I need to know about in order to show that unlike the Bible, it is a flawed book which contradicts itself. It calls Jesus a prophet and everything a prophet says must come to pass. Jesus predicted His death and resurrection but the Quran says that He never died. So, if Jesus didn't die then the Quran is wrong because it says he was a prophet and his word didn't come to pass and if He did die then the Quran is wrong as well. I have asked many Muslims to solve this and I always get the same answer - I'll get back to you. Been waiting for 10 years on some of them.

I haven't heard that one. Makes you glad the Bible is flawless. 😊

"Christians(as a whole) aren't having an issue with killing themselves"

I believe a history lesson is in order! In the 80-years war entire cities were burned all inhabitants killed just to make sure the 'heretics' (read: protestants) wouldn't get out alive, and when it came to "innocent" non-'heretics' (read: Roman Catholics), the excuse was "God will separate them Himself". Many wars led by Christians have been "justified" back then as "God wills it".

Christianity too has a big long history that is covered in blood, death, and sexual abuse, and we try to sweep that under the carpet, and that is something the people who turn terrorist "in the name of Allah", hold against us. The body count over entire human history may actually be higher in the Christian side. Also I did some research about the jihad, and found something about the jihad not being allowed to be used out of retribution, revenge or will attack others for own gain. Only to defend your own lands. That sounds different than what ISIS claims, eh?

There is however when it comes to terrorism and Islam another crux. The people live in a situation that is not very good, and there are also issues older than Islam that still plague them too. When wanting to use violence to change that you need something to bind people and religion can do that, that's its power and weakness. Since Islam is the greatest religion there, boom, there you go. If they were Christian, they'd have abused the Bible like they are now abusing the Quran. The number of Muslims choosing the terrorist path is even pretty low, compared to the total number of Muslims world wide. The issue is that those terrorists are the ones who dominate the media, and thus their message and propaganda reaches us and creates the global opinion. Not the way the majority lives by.
There are certainly a lot of points in the Islam that should be criticized, but Christianity and other religions are no different. The "perfect religion" cannot exist. But we should also watch out. By hating Islam or Muslims, we give the terrorists the perfect thing that allows them to carry on in their violence: A reason!

No I ain't a supporter of any religion. We simply cannot judge an entire population and their culture and religion, for what a small group of idiots do. I wonder if I can even write that body count on the name of Islam... But rather on the name of the terrorist organizations themselves.

when you imply that a religion is peaceful