Healthcare is not a right. The government can not give you a right, they can only take them away.

imagine not wanting healthcare

Wanting something does not make it a right. I want a new car, but that does not mean I have a right to one or that the government has to give me one.

true, healthcare isnt right, the poor people will live longer

It has nothing to do with the benefits of healthcare, it has to do with what is a right and what isn't.

imagine feeling that you arent entitled to staying alive

You absolutely have the right to stay alive.

Your rights include life, liberty, and the pursuit of property, among others. You do not have the right to force me to make sure you stay alive. That infringes on my rights.

healthcare isnt about forcing people to stay alive when they dont want to be it's about making sure people who are dying can live. if someone feels that theyve lived their life and doesnt want to be saved, then it's their choice, but that is a vast minority of people, it isnt up to some old guy who feels that hes had his run to decide whether the young poor person should be able to live

Sorry for the confusion. I was not talking about forcing people to live.

I was talking about forcing me to pay for someone else's healthcare.

What I should have said was that you do not have the right to force me to protect your life. It is your responsibility to protect your life, not anyone else.

Again, we are discussing why healthcare is not a right but a service.

ooga booga i dont want to help other people

My desire to help others is a personal choice. To help or not, my choice.

You are saying, forcing me to help someone I don't know is someones else's "right". Sorry, that infringes on my right to free choice and the right of association.

So far, you have not presented one argument that would show how healthcare could possibly be considered a "right".

how doesnt healthcare fall under the right to life?

Right to life means the govt won't kill you. Right to gun means the govt won't take it. The right means you can get it not that you are given it

What do you use Healtcare for and what do you use a Gun for?

Actually, I use healthcare and a gun to accomplish the same result. To protect me and my family and keep us healthy.

"People who think guns are used to kill are a bit slow."

Do tell. What are they used for? Cutting bread? Smearing Nutella? Go on.

"They're designed to shoot a projectile out of a barrel in an accurate manner"

Addendum: To kill or seriously maim someone

Addendum 2: So at what, or beter yet who, exactly are these projectiles (Bullets, Tranq darts) shot at

"Are knives only purpose to kill, maim and intimidate?"

No not really. But a Gun is. This isn't really an argument seeing as Knives can be used for something ither than violence, while guns' only purpose is violence. Unlike Healthcare.

"There are thousands of deaths each year caused by hands and feet, does you only use hands and feet to kill, maim and intimidate? Should we all amputate our hands and feet at birth so that everyone else feels safe? #LiberalLogic"

Thats besides the point. Guns are dangerous and only have one purposes: To end lives. Healthcare is there to save lives. (Physically. Economically... lets not get into it, savy?)

But sure! A gun is a very practical everyday tool. #ConservativeLogic

Well I do hate to disappoint. If it makes you happy I own a Gun (A Pistole 17? I think. Its been quite some time since I've bought it and I rarely use it*shrugs*) and support Gun ownership.

Guy, if your fine assortment of p**is enhancing gunz can't kill, you need to get a refund, because someone done ripped your silly deflecting deliberately obtuse ass off.

Knives? See anyone walking around with a saber at their side lately at the Walmart?
Funny how the 2nd Amendment cheerleader squad doth not protest laws forbiding the carrying of knives and swords. And canons. And grenades. And tanks. And nuclear silos out back.

Last I heard, using hands and feet to murder anyone is also illegal.
Go figure.

Looks like I missed that little tidbit on the newz.

Your idiocy is hialrious.

"Muh ottokowreckt mz pelt it, yo"

"DisfattBidge

You're spelling is hilarious lol... low IQ twatmuffin, either a retard or you have fat sausage fingers and can't type. Either way, Darwin should take care of the weaklings like yourself."

Your*

Darwinism*

Oh, the irony.

You're lowering the bar for stupid even for hicks.

You did forget the primary purpose of a gun in America, and that is to compensate for the dimunitive size of their member.

Bear in mind, these are the people who voted for Trump the charlatan.

Partially correct. You use a Gun to kill, maim and intimidate. A sortie of last choice options, but nonetheless what you use a gun for.

I use a gun for target practice, firearms training, and to deter crime and government oppression. Worst case scenario, I might use it in defense of self, home and family, in which case it is possible someone may be killed or maimed.

I don't know what others use them for.

Okay. Let me tell you what Guns are for. They shoot these metallic little things that go *BANG* and either kill or maim someone. What you fail to mention is that a Gun is used to Kill maim or intimidate, while healthcare saves peoples lives. They are simply uncompareable

That's pretty simplistic. Guns can also be used to save lives. Bullets don't automatically kill, especially during target practice.

If I were to emulate your perspective, I might try to make the case the healthcare is merely extortion. It saves lives? Saves them for what? Until the wildly inflated payments are complete? Or saves them for more years of toil as a wage slave, while social security is dangled in front of you then taken away as yiu draw near, like Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football?

Not a difficult case to make, but not one I entirely agree with either. Guns or healthcare, it comes down to how they're used, and by whom.

"That's pretty simplistic"

True

"Guns can also be used to save lives"

While true, what are Guns made for? To kill people. Their only purpose in life is to kill people. Or animals. If your into hunting. Of course you can use a gun to save other people from other people with weaponry endangering the lives of other people.

My point is that Healtcare is a weapon of life and guns are a weapon of death and shouldn't be compared.

Keeping unhealthy people alive

Keeping my government from denying me healthcare

Partially correct. You use a Gun to kill, maim and intimidate. A sortie of last choice options, but nonetheless what you use a gun for.

Last resort is better than out of options.

Exactly! You simply can't compare Healthcare and weaponry!

Maybe that’s what YOU use a gun for but not necessarily what the rest of us use it for.

I use a gun to kill - when hunting. While it can maim, that not what I use it for. As for intimidate, I also use a loud voice for that.

I also use a gun and healthcare only when necessary.

"I use a gun to kill - when hunting"

This is covered under Killing and maimkng

"As for intimidate, I also use a loud voice for that."

You can do that, but then the only reason you have a gun is for hunting. Thats ok. I mean I have a gun, but never use or even carry it with me so...

"I also use a gun and healthcare only when necessary."

True, but you can't compare both these things

I think you missed the whole point of the meme. Its not comparing healthcare with guns. It’s showing that bearing arms is a right under the constitution but healthcare is not.

"Healthcare is not a right. The government can not give you a right, they can only take them away."

So you don't belive in the constitution?

(Do apologies for the double post, but I just noticed that and absolutely HAD to comment)

Do explain to me where in the constitution is says healthcare is a right.

I know where it says me having a gun is a right that shall not be infringed, but I have never seen healthcare mentioned.

No thats not my point, you said that the Government can't give you rights, ignoring the fact that the Constitution and the Bill of rights is given to the people. This Statement is beyond stupid and you should've realised that.

Additionally you can make Healtcare into a right if you follow proper procedure and it passes through the neccesary channels. Thats the Beauty of Democracy, its flexible and adaptable.

Sorry, but your interpretation of the Bill of Rights is incorrect. The Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments) is not a list of what I can do, but rather a list of what the government can not do.

The Bill of Rights is a list of negative rights, meaning these are rights that everyone has by birth and that the government cannot take away. If something is given to you, it is not a right but a privilege and can be taken away. Your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of property are considered "god given rights". That is why there are sentences like "Congress shall not pass any law", and "shall not be infringed", or "the government can not", are used.

A right is something that you can do not without the need of anyone else's involvement. I can say what I want, defend myself and my family, enjoy the fruits of my own labor, associate with whomever I want, all without the involvement of anybody else. I can build my own house, till my own land, feed my family, without anybody else's help. That is my right.

Healthcare, on the other hand, unless I am a doctor, requires that I a benefit from the fruits of someone else's labor. You would be forcing someone else to provide you with something. That is not a right.

You can make a law saying that the government will do something for you, like paying for healthcare or building an army, but that does not make it a right. That just says that the government is granting you a privilege.

You're missing the point. The meme says "is everyone going to get a free AR-15?"

You have the right to own a gun. That doesn't mean the government can force a gun shop owner to give you a gun for free. (The government CAN force the gun shop owner to /sell/ you a gun. (Unless they happen to disagree with your politics, which is not a protected class)).

Equally you have the right to life. That doesn't mean the government can force doctors to improve your health/quality of life for free. The government CAN force the doctor to treat you, but the doctor still has to be paid.

If the taxpayer is going to be burdened with the cost of the individual's healthcare, isn't it also right to expect the taxpayer to be burdened with the cost of arming the individual with a gun?

Exactly, thats why you shouldn't compare weaponry with healtcare