I cannot believe how stupid people in this world have become

It could last into the terrible twoes

It's more heartless to force a couple to give birth to a non-viable child, to have it die during delivery or watch it die in minutes, seconds with all sorts of deformities and abnormalities. It's also pretty heartless to force a mom with health issues to give birth and then lose her life, and her kids and husband don't have her around anymore.

The bill is protecting full term abortions. Only sick f**ks like you would carry a baby that long then decide to mark it.

What is wrong with you people? You have no faith in people to make the right decisions in their life. Like women are just going full term so they can cause pain to an unborn fetus.

They give birth then den oxygen. Theres no abortion

Now it's a fetus? Thought is was cells

Because in some cases the fetus still has a 50% chance of surviving without their mother.

HAHA!

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-york-abortions-birth/
yeah. I did and hes right.

Cmon clay you should know by now that Snopes is not reliable. Here they're saying it's "unproven" when it has been quite proven that Old Man River was not a veteran.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nathan-phillips-vietnam-veteran/

Snopes is partisan. In legalese you need to be precise and SPatoine was wrong on some crucial points.

"Only when the woman's life is at risk and the fetus is not viable"

It should be:
"When the woman's HEALTH is at risk OR the fetus is not viable"

Huge difference

I saw that one, but Ive also seen left leaning stuff debunked.

Yes it is sad. Sad when someone takes realistic legislation and spins it into radical half truths. Abortion is only legal late stage when the mothers life is at risk and when the baby is not viable. Like any woman is going to carry a baby just to kill it a moment before she delivers just for the f**k of it.

And the radical right wants to take that away. That's why there was a need to push back.

Uh.. the "radical right" would actually be an extremely tiny minority. How do you expect them to take that right away?

That's what I don't get. If the mother's life is at risk or the baby is "nonviable" (I take that as doomed to die right after birth, but you never know how politicians will screw with that definition), it would already make sense to just let the abortion happen. And when New York is such a progressive state, you are honestly telling me mothers who could have died would have been prosecuted?

Not even bringing up C-sections here, but still, come on.

Do you even look for the truth? You are religiously sticking to your misinformation - is it on purpose?

"allowing abortions past 24 weeks if the fetus isn't viable or to protect the mother's health (before the change in the law, this was limited to protecting the mother's life)"
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-york-law/new-york-abortion-laws.html

That's an "or" not an "and" and the mother's life doesn't have to be in danger. Stop being retarded and look it up next time before you say anything. You might save yourself the embarrassment

I've looked it up and it is exactly as it should be. What you are saying is that YOU should be able to decide what health related issues are important enough for you to decide what a woman can do and can't do. IT'S NOT UP TO YOU. If she can never have kids again, oh, that might be okay. If she may die but it's not certain, oh, she needs to trust in God. If she becomes a diabetic, the baby is at risk........the list of complications and right decisions is ENDLESS!!!!!!! And, they are all decisions of the woman. NOT YOU.

You've been saying it wrong on a critical issue. The woman's life doesn't have to be at risk. You were wrong but now you're educated. You're welcome

What diff does it make? Health, life? What does it matter? NONE!

You don't like abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE. Keep your thoughts on others, to yourself.

Why, when I see none here?

show him this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-york-abortions-birth/

"The New York state legislature passed a law allowing abortions after 24 weeks if the mother's health is at risk or there is an absence of fetal viability."

Yup, that's exactly what I've been saying. Are you trying to prove me right Clay? I appreciate the help, but I don't need any with this guy :)

Pretty soon it will be legal to kill your child within the first 24 hours after birth. Don’t believe it? People used to believe you’d never be able to legally abort an unborn baby either.

So true. Look at how many things that used to be considered right are ridiculed today.
Virginity until marriage
Belief in God
Prayer in school
Counciling women to not abort their babies
Illegal recreational use of pot
Legal immigration
Etc.

Crime across the board, is much lower than it was in 1980.
All except rape, which has increased since 2016.
Nearly all public schools still have a moment of silence every day.
It is likely there is more God in school now than ever. Clubs, club ministries, after school interfaith programs, God is throughout schools.
Counseling women before abortion is the law across the entire country. Some states require 24hr waiting periods as well.
The abortion rate is at its lowest level since Roe v Wade.
Much, much lower levels of teen pregnancy
The drinking age used to be 18. It's now 21 with lower rates of teens dying while drinking
Contrary to boomer belief, our young people are smarter and better educated than any American generation of the past
Our roads are better, our cars are better
Life is better

Many of our problems today, are due to new problems developing from progress we've made. Women can now leave their husbands because they can support themselves for example.

The world is a better place, every day.

And yet teachers are not allowed to teach intelligent design but they teach theories like evolution and the Big Bang as if it’s scientici fact.
Religious seminaries have to be off campus and cannot use school property

Pro abortion groups object to requiring an ultra sound before making a decision to abort.

Drinking age is higher yet teen drinking keeps rising and they start drinking at a younger age. On average, underage drinkers consume more drinks per drinking occasion than adult drinkers.

Pornography is considered acceptable entertainment and is pumped into out homes via media and the Internet. Children are exposed to it at higher rates and at younger ages than ever yet any attempt to curtail it gets ridiculed.

Yes, our infrastructure and technology is better but nobody is ridiculing that. It’s our twisted social norms that are backwards.

People used to let down syndrome babies die of starvation. For both Dems and Republicans this was common and acceptable practice. Things are NOT worse than they have ever been. Things are always improving. Stop with the hyperbole comments.

Nobody likes abortion. Women don't like abortion. Especially late term abortion. First of all, it's rare. Secondly, nearly all cases are due to defects or serious health implications for the mother.

Less than 1% of all abortions, are done to save the mother's life. The rest are all done out of convenience. True Story!

Haha Jesus dude you are wrong yet again. You have the internet right there in front of you just look it up and you won't look so foolish. https://www.abortionfacts.com/facts/8

Most abortions are done out of convenience. By far

In 2014, the CDC reported that just 1.3% of reported abortions (5,578) were performed at 21 weeks of gestation or later.

Close to 1% of all abortions are required to save the mothers life. That likely leaves slightly more than .5%.

3% of all abortion occurs due to possible health problems of the fetus. Most of those health problems are not found till later term.

And, another 3% of abortion occurs due to health problems of the mother overall, again occurring generally later in pregnancy.
This huge problem of women willy, nilly, just letting a fetus grow inside the womb so they can kill it at 9 mo, is non-existent.

Bruh, just stop you're making yourself look bad. In 2014 there were no laws that condoned full term abortion unless the mother's LIFE was at risk. That's justifiable. This NEW law reduces that restriction to only entail HEALTH risk. That's not justifiable. Can you see why a NEW law won't affect stats from 5 years ago?....

So you think this will make late term abortions sky rocket. Like late term abortion is something women strive for. Yeah, that's an optimistic viewpoint right there.

It shouldn't be legal in the first place unless it's a life risk. If it happens once it's bad, if it happens a thousand times it's bad. Life has value. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Because you have no idea WHAT health issue may arise. What if a woman needs chemo? What if tumor needs to be removed, an embolism? There are tens of thousands of health situations that can come up.

"The mother’s life and the mother’s health are usually two distinct considerations. A woman with toxemia will have adverse health reactions and considerable inconvenience, including probably needing to lie down for much of her pregnancy. This is a difficulty, but not normally a threat to her life. Hence, an abortion for the sake of “health” would not be lifesaving, but life-taking, since her life is not in jeopardy in the first place.

There are other situations where an expectant mother has a serious or even terminal medical condition. Her pregnancy may cause complications, but will not cause her death. If she is receiving radiation therapy, she may be told that the child could have handicaps as a result. It may be possible to postpone or reduce such treatment, but if it is essential to continue the treatment to save the mother’s life, this is preferable to allowing her death or killing the child.

Efforts can and should be made that value the lives of both mother and child."

https://www.abortionfacts.com/facts/8

Life has value. I don't know how else to put it. If you're not smart enough to understand that then I don't have anything else to say to you.

That’s like saying since the percentage of deaths by homicide is only 1%, murder shouldn’t be illegal. A little too optimistic.

Nuke York