College Liberal

Bonus Points for it being a Book he has an Investment in...

either as the writer of the Book... Or via kickbacks from the publisher

Not to mention the Store will only do end of Semester Buy Back @ Maybe $50 (assuming he has the class again than soon), and still sell it for $150 plus Next Term (more if he waits a full year for the next class)

There are people who preach a communistic view only for their own capitalistic desires, but not all of them are. And in the end everybody needs money to buy their food, pay their mortgage etc. etc. In Dutch we say "voor niets gaat alleen de zon op" (Only the sun rises for nothing). It's sad, but that is how it works. Also between capitalism and communism is a very large grey area. Why do charity organisations ask for money when they only wanna help people?
You think black-white... either one or the other... Also your reaction meme shows information I could not judge before you posted that as your original meme doesn't have it. I believe in neither capitalism or communism... I'm sure you now think I'm contradicting myself, and as long as you do, you are clueless :P

"And in the end everybody needs money to buy their food, pay their mortgage etc. etc." I am in no way denying that everybody needs money to pay for those things, but if you pontificate that capitalism is evil (especially to young, impressionable people), while simultaneously living well above what the average person in your country gets by on (as most college professors, at least in the US do), and/or extorting people into buying something they don't need (such as professors who require an expensive textbook they know is pointless); then you are an astounding hypocrite.

Same thing with rich liberal celebrities - why is an obscure business owner's wealth seen as evil, but people [who became greatly wealthy through capitalism while simultaneously pontificating Marxism] like Michael Moore, Matt Damon, Meryl Streep, Katy Perry, Russell Brand, Joy Behar, Al Sharpton, etc. are seen as just fine?

They're like flat-earthers who peddle their conspiracies... through technology that would be impossible if the world were actually flat.

Fact remains that a anti-capitalism-teacher still needs to eat and thus needs to ask for money. We don't live in the Star Trek universe after all. And you didn't mention the needless book in the caption meme, and no, I had hardly been obligated books I never needed, but maybe that's because I live in a country where schools and teachers do need to justify why certain stuff is needed. I guess that's the downside of the U.S. where they try to minimize regulation or where possible to avoid it.

The only thing the original meme questions is why the teacher needed to be paid, which is obvious. All swindler activity that you now present is put in later. So no I would not question a teacher who asks me money for teaching me about communism, socialism, the bad sides of capitalism etc, especially not when (s)he's a professional as without money it would be impossible to do this as a professional.

Indeed coming up with textbooks that are never required are a complete different story, but not mentioned in the original meme, so that's the entire joke about this.

Also be careful in judging celebrities who are rich through capitalism. First of all I will need their own opinion before I'll say they preach communism. Since communism has been misunderstood by, say approx 99% of the world population, I want to hear their views for myself, thank you. Second, I do not know how they spend their money and neither do you and I don't see why they need to tell us, either, but we cannot judge them without this knowledge.

Also, as one of the most capitalistic countries in the world, everybody has to make money through capitalism or die starving in the U.S. Something Obama and Clinton both tried to... well "end" is a big word, but at least make things a little different. The hated Obama-care was one of the measures taken to accomplish that. But, I take it you are American, and then you should know better than I do that as soon as you try that your name will be shown with a hammer and a synth and sometimes even showing images from the Soviet Union and the discussion is dead. Celebrities, rich or poor, are also tied in this system, whether they like it or not. At least in the U.S. they are. Celebrities in my own country are (aside from soccer players) overall not as rich as the ones in the U.S.

Also note that even Karl Marx himself was not against commercial business itself. What he was against was the big gigantic companies, of which the owners used their money to oppress.

What has holland actually accomplished in the last 2 centuries? You guys have been the punching bag of Europe, maybe even more so than the poles. Forgive me if I don't want my country to follow the example of the national analogue to an underachieving beta male. You live across the sea yet act as though you understand our system better than we do? Please our system has taken us from backwater colonies to one of the only superpowers the world has ever known. You can keep your monstrous tax rates and self-righteous politics and shove them where the sun never shines. We'll be looking down from the top of the world while you give up everything that made your people your people in exchange for a little security. Not to mention you could not afford half the social programs you enjoy if you were forced to pay for national defense instead of relying on American blood to keep you safe. Ingrate.

First of all I don't live in Holland. Holland is not a country, but only a small section of the Netherlands and I don't live in that part, so your knowledge of geography is also not up to par I see... :P (Neither is your spelling as Holland must be written with an upper H... details).
And the punching bag of Europe? I see that you also do not know European politics very well. And if when it comes to underachieving than the U.S.A. is far on the way. And as a matter of fact I regret to inform you that most Europeans know the U.S.A. politics better than Americans themselves do, which was actually confirmed by American journalists. And superpowers? I would almost believe you are talking about Russia. And self-righteous... Who are you to talk about that?

The U.S.A. is the most unsafe western country in the world. Racism is worse than in other western countries and the poverty rates (also leading to crime) are astounding and you dare to speak of the bad stuff you've been taken from?

I guess you need a reality-check, man!
And when it comes to the costs of defense... That is not because of the social system, but rather out of thinking we were safe when we believed the cold war ended and that was a serious error on our side, I admit, but it's not the result of the social system. That mistake would be made anyway with these consequences, capitalism or no capitalism. Put our mistakes on the proper place.

I am always willing to note our mistakes, but you failed to name any of them properly. And the achievements and failures of the U.S.A. You named none, not not even the good stuff about the U.S.A. and capitalism has been mentioned.

You know nothing, Jon Snow... Don't pretend you do. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but at least I *did* my homework!

I don't need to give examples of the great things the USA has done, because they are already well known around the globe. Can't say the same for the Dutch, now or ever. Please let me know when you guys liberate one of your allies, put men on the moon, or are responsible for the collective defense of not only your nation, but all of Europe and most of the Pacific as well. Your preaching is truly a joke, as the only thing your nation can teach us is how to rob your citizens of what they've earned and how to become so soft we'd be completely helpless without others

"Can't say the same for the Dutch", eh? Then I know what you know about history. For starters large parts of the U.S.A. used to be Dutch. The Dutch were the best of the best traders over the ages, and the V.O.C. made the Netherlands one of the most powerful nations in the world (I admit that was capitalism, but there's more to it than just that). And that is just the tip of the iceberg. And do you have Bluetooth in your cell phone? Then you are using a Dutch invention, not to mention how much American authorities beg the Netherlands to share the Dutch knowledge of water management. It's not that the Dutch don't have great accomplishments. It's just that you don't care about them. You don't care about anything, and that's your flaw that I exposed, all the time. A man on the moon is nice and cool, but I wonder how many American were rotting away in bad houses hardly able to make a living, working their ass of never getting credit for that, by people like you who don't care about anything and refuse to give countries other than the U.S.A. the credit they deserve. I ain't proud to be Dutch. I am proud that I am able to see the flaws of all countries including my own. Capitalism is destructive and no socialism is also not the best system. They are the extremes of ideologies that simply don't work. But fact remains that socialism was invented to protect the people, but you fell for the fact that Joseph Stalin abused the term and that it has been abused ever since, and so your lack of knowledge on European knowledge exposed that you criticize something you know nothing about. You don't care about anything, as long as you can yell about how great the U.S.A. is. We Dutch have our problems, yes. This box is too small to mention them all. I admit them. The U.S.A. is flawed too. And if you wanna know where the U.S.A. succeeds where the E.U. does not, I can tell you as that lies in neither capitalism no socialism.
It's because the U.S.A. managed to acknowledge itself as a federal union and the E.U. keeps denying it and tries to fight its own union. Kind of a joke since the motto of one of the E.U. countries is "Unity makes power" (Belgian motto).
So there you go, the true American success that really matters eludes you and it took a Dutch to teach you. (Also the man of the moon was the only real success in space beating an other country, that was better of many years before that... You know which one? The Soviet Union, HAHA!)
And you dare to say my story is a joke?

Congrats, you only had to go back 300 years to find anything your country did that was noteworthy. You also admitted that what fueled that achievement was capitalism, yet you then go on to preach about how destructive capitalism is. And you have literally no idea what you're talking about with the US and federal union- the states literally manage ANYTHING not explicitly granted to the federal government by the constitution of the US. Trying to compare that to the monstrously top-heavy abomination you call the EU is an insult, not a compliment. You europeans are voting away your identity and your rights and you are celebrating it as you do so. Rediculous

Didn't I say "tip of the iceberg"? And I also said there was more about capitalism that made the VOC great. Capitalism alone would have made them a failure. Their nose for business was just the icing on the cake, plus the VOC is also known for the dark sides of capitalism and if I open that cesspool you'd shiver in fear, as the glory of the VOC had a huge price. Decendents of slaves can tell you all about that, and that too is the tip of the iceberg. And I didn't know blue-tooth, CDs, and water management was 300 yearsin the past. And how my country is referenced to does not make it the correct name. It's also common these days to throw your trash on the floor outside, but that still makes it dirty. Holland is not a country and that is a geographic fact and loads of people tend to deny that (even a lot of Dutch), but what people accept/deny and what facts are are too different things. And comparing the EU to the US is not an insult. You take it as an insult because you don't know what the EU is and why it was founded, and that is because you don't care. Loads of people don't care, but that doesn't make it less important. Oh, and what is "rediculous".... It's RIDICULOUS to use non-existent words in a conversation (I'm now scooping to your level).
Yes, the EU was founded to be a federal union, just like the US, only due to ignorance even among the European people a lot of fairy tales have been spread around and so you define the EU the same way as the ignorant people. Congrats, you have a keen eye to believe propaganda in stead of facts. And I put little stock in identity. I do not believe in identity as achievements of my people or ancestry. I believe in my identity in the stuff I managed to do myself, and did you know THAT is an American philosophy, the very foundation on which capitalists claim to lean. But when presented with the facts they start hiding behind the deeds of their ancestors and people with is in fact an old-fashioned European philosophy. And the discussion about identity is not celebrated. On the contrary and that's the core problem why the EU doesn't accept to be a federal union it should be. Once again, your facts are wrong.

But then again, somebody who denies Holland is not a country and that it's just a popular, yet incorrect reference, is not qualified to have an opinion about anything at all. People also call the USA falsely "America", yet Canada is also America, and so is Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Chile and more countries.

Anyone who can't understand that a nation and a place can have the same name is not qualified to have an opinion. Canada is called Canada, it is IN north america. The USA is called America, but it is IN North America. Canada is NOT America. Mexico is NOT America. They are IN North America.

However, it seems like you know next to nothing about what you speak of - you claim I don't care and don't pay attention to europe. False. I've been to Germany, Austria, and the Czech Republic in my life. I was a history major in university. What you don't get is how disrespectful your constant preaching to us like we are children is. You are NOT more knowledgeable than Americans, just because you believe in a different system. The islamic radicals fully believe they're right.. it doesn't make it so. You're no different. You were taught in school at a young age "lol america bad" and have some ridiculous opinion that we're all over here working ourselves to death. You're as ignorant as they come, and a hypocrite. Keep thinking you're superior. I'm sure it will serve you well when russian tanks are rolling through Amsterdam when we finally decide we are finished with you and your entire ungrateful continent. you guys can burn for all I care. Beyond some of the eastern european countries and the UK, NATO are some of the most useless allies in the history of national politics. You actually believe we think it's worth sending tens or hundreds of thousands of our men to die defending you from your enemies when all we get from you is condescending bs? Or are you going to magically conjure an army big enough to defend us some day when we're attacked? What exactly do we gain from being in an alliance where you can call us into a war where we do all the dying(and paying) and you get all the benefit? You wonder why we are drawing closer to Japan and Australia and farther from you? Your constant condescension. You're weak jokes but can't remove your heads from your asses for long enough to realize how little respect you have here.

https://www.holland.com/global/tourism/information/netherlands-vs-holland.htm for someone from Holland you seem to be I'll informed about how your country is referenced globally. It is as common to refer to your country as holland as it is to call it the Netherlands. Who pretends he knows more than he does now. Lol. This has been great fun, though. Like the modern day equivalent to iberians trying to tell Romans how to administrate or build bridges, lel

Actually you are confirming what I said about Holland, but you try to bend your way around it, and from you I couldn't expect ANY different. That's the way trolls work.
And the joke is this:
- You made a meme
- I made a contra-meme
- You start puking over me.
- I presented facts
- You said I'm over-sensitive because I laid issues on you on a meme site (I merely responded to your issues).
- Then you want off to things completely irrelevant like men on the moon (nothing to do with socialism), and more crap like that.
- I countered
- You got further off the topic
- You called me an idiot
- I countered that too, and scooped to your level.
- And now you take me for a spoiled brat for exposing you as the one you are.

And the U.S. is moving away from us out of stupidity and the E.U. actually preparing to no longer do business with the U.S. and Trump raging about that and saying he no longer wanted us (while it's us who no longer want the U.S). but reversing facts is what you've been doing from the start, and THAT TOO IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the question what socialism means. The Islamic radicals have by the way no idea what the Islam stands for, but their ideology and fights against the west also have nothing to do with capitalism or socialism. And I am not superior over anyone, but the case you accuse me of that, shows you are completely unable to bear what I told you.

You don't care about anything, and start shouting, dragging in irrelevant topics and we get nowhere, and all I had to do was to play along. It's not that I think I'm superior over you. You think you're superior over everybody who is not you, and yet you don't even know what you're talking about.
You presented yourself to say no to fuel-price changes with killing young animals as argumentation why it should not happen. Horrible as killing young animals may be, it is not relevant in fuel prices. And so, this was never a discussion from the start.
Capitalism is about making money without caring for the poor (in its most extreme form) and socialism is about everybody having as much money as everyone else (in its most extreme form) and most people would have more than they have now except for the rich minority. You fail to see that, because most socialist idealists lost their ideals once they rose to power and went in the opposite way, still misusing the name "capitalism". The same abuse that ISIS uses for the name Islam to justify attacks, while the Islam preaches peace and harmony. Figures!

I never said a word about killing animals or fuel prices, congrats on playing the fool once again. Ignoring the bit about our lives being at risk for your defense with no real chance of reciprocation? Typical for a European. You've completely forgotten the meaning of honor or integrity

Your reply shows me what I suspected all along. You only read what you want to read, and you have a very poor understanding comparing metaphors. How do I know. Because you did defend yourself against something I didn't formally accuse you of, and if you had read everything and understood that, you'd have known that. Funny that you even fall for a trap I didn't intentionally set and yet it went off.
And the fact the the U.S. soldiers (so leave out the "we" and "our". I hate it when people take credit for stuff other people do, even countrymen) has nothing to do either capitalism or socialism, so once again you are trying to win an argument with irrelevant argumentation, and that was precisely what the "killing animals-fuel prices" metaphor was referring to. It's clear to me why you have no understanding of capitalism or communism. Your shortest post so far confirmed everything I already knew.

Is your behavior typical American? No... it's typically dumb. I hate using that word on the internet. And still you have the nerve to consider *me* the fool.

(And then to think I even supported Trump when he said Europe should invest more in their armies you dare to claim I disregard U.S. work. Why didn't I say so.... BECAUSE IT'S IRRELEVANT IN THE COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST/CAPITALIST discussion).

Pal, you're so comprehension challenged that you still haven't realized my argument is with your attitude and not about socialism. Keep on keeping on, your idiocy makes me laugh. And considering we still have a draft, if a war breaks out in Europe it WILL be me fighting. Go f**k yourself.

The reason you can't keep up with my attitude is because... I never set one up. I'm just calm and telling you the way things are, and you keep pulling things up, and now you change to *my attitude* because you simply fail to listen to reason.

Oh and can I consider "if a war breaks out in Europe, it WILL be me fighting" as a threat, or are you trying to look into a future nobody can tell yet.

Oh, and my attitude was also not relevant in this discussion from the start. You have a problem with it, I know. It's always hard when we are confronted with people who act the way they do themselves, with the difference there's reason behind it, but we're drifting off again the topic.

The fact that you are trying to fight my attitude already exposes that you lost the discussion, but by trying to depict me as an asshole (which I only am when I meet assholes, sorry) you're trying to save your own hide.

And whoever I f*** myself or other people is none of your business, so you don't have to tell me what to do in that department :P

"Fact remains that a anti-capitalism-teacher still needs to eat and thus needs to ask for money." Um, no... that argument would only work if teaching classes were professors' only available source of income. Nothing is stopping them from getting another job to cover basic domestic needs and cover the costs of the class on behalf of the students.

Professors, celebrities, journalists, etc. can be as rich as they want if people are willing to buy whatever they produce. They become hypocrites when they start pontificating that it's wrong for others to do so, especially if they're profiting off of the people to whom they are preaching anti-capitalism. Nothing is stopping Michael Moore from getting a modest-wage job to pay for basic domestic needs, and recruiting volunteers to help make his documentaries so he can show them for free.

"First of all I will need their own opinion before I'll say they preach communism. Since communism has been misunderstood by, say approx 99% of the world population, I want to hear their views for myself, thank you." OH I SEE... you're of the sort who thinks that real communism/socialism has never been tried, and only your personal interpretation is the real, infallible version. "Second, I do not know how they spend their money and neither do you and I don't see why they need to tell us, either, but we cannot judge them without this knowledge." What they spend their money on in private is irrelevant. A flat-earther who peddles conspiracies using technology that would be impossible if the world were actually flat is still doing so regardless of how or if his conspiracies bring him personal mental pleasure/satisfaction.

On a side note, the poor in America could probably do just fine with a little less eating - the number one health problem afflicting the poor in America is... obesity.

Another side note regarding your response to OhWell - the official tourism website for the Netherlands is Holland.com https://www.holland.com/global/tourism.htm. Not saying he's right, but you're being pedantic toward him regarding that.

Did the meme state he had more than one job?
I've been working as a kind of history teacher giving private lessons and although that was non-profit I had to charge €50 for each lesson. Not that I've ever seen one cent of that as I was a volunteer, but the organization I worked for had to pay rent to use the room I was using, and to pay for electricity, keeping the room clean, etc. etc. etc. Now I can admit that I was not teaching him about capitalism and communism, but that was because those were not the most major issues in the pre-history, the Roman empire, the Egyptians and the ancient Greek (although capitalism must have existed back then, those chapters were discussing other issues of those eras) and most likely my pupil would have been taught about those things later (I had to quit the job due to lack of time and having other obligations at the time).

"you're of the sort who thinks that real communism/socialism has never been tried"
Oh I see, the narrow-minded approach on the matter. Real communism/socialism has been tried, but we tend to look away from that, as they are only there is small form, combined with capitalism. In loads of European countries it's the social system in which people who are unemployed or unable to work being compensated. Even in the U.S. the most capitalistic country in the world are laws that have a bit of a socialist philosophy behind them. The U.S. law that forbids trying to aim for a total monopoly is very notable on that, and Microsoft has often been facing that law, since capitalism is about the right of the (financial) strongest, however this law forces you to allow others to make their share. The point is that when we think about communism/socialism that we only think about those countries where undoubtedly they wanted to take it further than that and that you need a powerful leader to make the changes needed to make that happen, and power eventually corrupts (the weak spot in capitalism as some companies who are too powerful will do unacceptable things), and the fear of losing that power can make even the biggest socialist forget what they stood for and then terrible misery (Venezuela being the most notable example right now) will break out, and yet the leader keeps claiming to be socialist en expressing the socialist philosophy to justify their actions, but then again, every philosophy/ideology gets dangerous when abuse, no exceptions.

Idealists in any ideal (incl socialism) always want too much.

Don't think most classes need thousands of dollars to cover costs

The meme didn't state any amounts.
I quote: "Believes every word her professor taught her about capitalism's destructive effects on the world. Never questioned him why he doesn't teach the class for free".

Even if he only charged $1 the lessons would still not be free. The amount is not named in the meme. Even $0.01 is not free. So that this professor would charge $1000 or more is an assumption I cannot base on the meme.

Also what do you know about costs of education in general? Did you see the entire bill with all specifications? My own school was a "stichting" which is in the Netherlands a kind of company that may not pursue profit (making profit *is* allowed, but the profit must remain in the stichting and must be spend for the goal the sticting was founded for) and I remember the costs my parents paid for my education was pretty steep, even with teachers being underpaid. Of course, this was the cost for all my lessons and thus all teachers altogether and not just one.

Of course in the US everything is commercial and you need to be commercially gifted or you can't get your message through even when you want to object against it. Irony.

But long story short, fact remains that the meme doesn't state how much that professor charged.

TL;DR

Lol but people still get paid in socialism