Science denial is acceptable when it goes against Leftist orthodoxy.

They are getting more acceptance. They deserve it.

You are correct, society is more accepting of transgenderism, just like society is more accepting of autism, homosexualism, and people with downs syndrome. All of which is a good thing.

My intent with this meme I explained in the above comment.

Autism is a biological mental disorder.
Down syndrome is also a biological mental disorder.
Transgenderism is a mental disorder, but it can't be biological at all.

I don't see how that logic fits....

Never said it couldn't be a biological mental condition. My point is that gender identity disorder does not make a biological male a biological female as the activist would have you believe. Any more than a person with schizophrenia who thinks they are Napoleon become Napoleon.

no activist that i've listened to has told me a biological male can be a biological female (though I don't listen to any activists). Also, Napoleon isn't a gender or a state of mind.

They say a transgender woman is a woman, and thinking you are something you are not is a state of mind.

Gender is all about hormones. Chemicals. They determine it more than the genitals you are born with. And also, why ridicule transgenders? They are making a choice within their rights. The government shouldn't interfere on what gender somebody wants to see themselves as.

As long as that decision only impacts them, thats fine. When the 'gender' has consequences for funding or the rights of others, it is appropriate for the government to intervene.

Demanding special bathroom privileges, or funding to accomodate _their_ choice.

What consequences?

That is incorrect. A female human cannot become a male human no matter what hormones or chemicals as ingested.

As far as their choice, I have no problem with it. They can choose whatever they want, just don't demand that I have to be part of your choice. Don't demand that you qualify for privileges that are reserved for something you are not.

What privileges? I will probably be against them. Tell me

How about competing in woman only sports, affirmative action programs for woman, using a woman's locker room, or worst getting into a club for free on lady's night.

facts dont care about your feeling

homosexuality and down syndrome

just say you're transphobic and go

Not at all transphobic. Transphobic implies a fear of transgender people, and I am not afraid of any transgender person. In fact, I really don't care one way or the other.

The meme is about people trying to say that a man who thinks they are a woman can magically become or is a woman. That is factually incorrect. Transgenderism is not a biological condition, but rather a mental condition and is defined as such. It is called gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder.

Both terms refer to a person who believes their gender identity differs from what they were born as.

According to Merriam-Webster
Definition of transgender: of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity differs from the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth especially
: of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity is opposite the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth

Definition of Gender Dysphoria

: a distressed state arising from a conflict between a person's gender identity and the sex the person has or was identified as having at birth

New to this conversation and trying to understand this issue myself. There are millions of people born with arguably male and female genitalia. Your argument that people are either male or female is not valid. No, not all people are male or female. People born somewhere in-between the two sexes equals is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 500 births. 1-2 in 1000, have corrected surgery to fix these, (outwardly physical) problems. Something like .6% of the population identify as transgendered. Sexuality is such an intertwined part of who we are, it cannot be compared to, "I think I'm a toaster so I'm a toaster". That comment should be insulting to everyone including straight people. Our sexuality makes our morning routine what it is, it decides how we talk, our livelihood, mannerisms and how we live our entire lives.

You are confusing transgenderism with transexual. Transexual is a physical abnormality where your genitalia does not match your sex or you have both. While transgenderism is purely a mental disorder where you think you are the opposite sex.

As far as female or male traits, everyone has to some degree traits different from their gender. There are masculine women and effeminate men and everything in between. That does not mean a masculine woman is a male.

If we were to go by male or female traits, then there would be an infinite number of genders since we all unique and there would have to be a gender for each one of us.

That is why science has settled on only two. These are based on non-changing biological characteristics such as XX or XY chromosomes, having a prostate gland or a uterus, or producing eggs or sperm, etc.

You are absolutely correct. My bad, thank you.

I'm confusing nothing. The argument above is that there are only males and females. This is not true. There is physically everything in between, born that way and visibly that way. It makes no difference what you call it. Just because you can't physically see how someone feels, does that make those feelings any less real? Many people who are born transexual, also have messed up chromosomes that confuse the individuals mind further as to whether or not they are male or female. Most doctors today suggest parents not pick a gender and operation until the child is old enough to choose their own, because mistakes have been made with transexual children.

I meant to say many people are born intersex also have issues with their chromosomes.

Yes. Sorry. I got that after I posted. It would be nice if we could edit posts.

Denying that trans men are men and that trans women are women is transphobia. Being trans is not going against biology or science. You are born with gender dysphoria, and the only way to treat it is by transitioning. Pee ur pant.

I disagree. Any phobia, by definition, means a fear of, not a denial of. I can deny something is real and not be afraid of it. I can deny the earth is flat and not be afraid of people who believe it is.

As far as saying a trans woman is a woman, that is biologically incorrect and an impossibility. As I stated, gender identity disorder is a mental condition, not a biological one.

If I believe I am a toaster, that does not mean I am actually a toaster. No matter how strongly I believe it or want it to be so. The same is true for trans people.

They don't /believe/ they are women because they /are/ women. A cis man wouldn't just decide to live his life as a woman and take hormones for it because he would be miserable. Trans people don't just decide they are trans. They don't just wake up and think "well gee golly, why not take hormones and go by different pronouns, just for the hell of it!!111!!1" Like I said before, their brains resemble a cis woman's more than a cis man's. They didn't choose for their brains to work that way. If they could then trans people wouldn't exist. Once again, as I previously stated, gender dysphoria is something you are born with, a condition or not, and the only cure for it is to transition.

I am not denying there are people who have gender identity disorder and I don't deny they believe they are female. I don't even deny that this condition may exist from birth. However, it is still a mental condition. A schizophrenic or a person with bipolar disorder does not want that condition either.

They do not have uteruses, mammary glands, no possibility to procreate, can still get prostate cancer, nor do they have any XX chromosomes. They are by definition not female by any biological definition.

Transitioning is cosmetic and does nothing other than make them feel better, it is not a "cure" nor does it magically transform them into biological females. It may be considered a treatment for their condition, but it does not make them female. It makes them a male who had hormonal treatments and cosmetic surgery to make them look female. The same procedures would have the same effect on any male.

If you deny that a trans person is the gender they are, you are transphobic. I'm done arguing with you about this. Pee all four of ur pant.

Sorry that you feel that way. However, you have not given me any reasons or facts that would change my mind.

That is the problem. You liberals say things that are not backed by facts nor can be reasonably defended, and you just expect people to accept them. Why should anybody just accept your position?

If your position can not be defended or you can't convince people your position is better. Then maybe you need to rethink if you are backing the right position. Resorting to ad hominem and calling people names will not change anybody's mind.

I am not saying there aren't transgender people, or that a transgender woman doesn't believe that they are women in a man's body. My point is that for whatever reason a man believes/feels he is a woman, he is not a woman.

Because someone has a brain condition, mental disorder, or whatever is the cause, this does not make a man a woman. It is a biological man with a condition.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) categorizes specific dysphoria in the obsessive–compulsive spectrum.

I am a liberal but I believe in science.

XX or XY - makes your gender. Male OR female.

In some rare cases there are XXY, XXXY or X0, and other chromosomal abnormalites (https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/abnormal/abnormal_5.htm) or intersex people (previously referred to as "hermaphrodites") born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies"

Outside of those ABNORMALITIES people that are "transgendered" have a mental disorder as recognized in the DSM-5 (see above.)

It should be treated as such and those people deserve to be left alone to live their lives as happily as possible and be treated the way they wish to be treated/recognized in society.

You know I love ya buddy but the data just isn't there to the degree you want it to be. I have seen the studies that span 20 years or so. A good list is from this article: https://www.the-scientist.com/features/are-the-brains-of-transgender-people-different-from-those-of-cisgender-people-30027#ref

This one is really new (2015) https://academic.oup.com/cercor/article/21/11/2525/275208

And the abstract ends with "The present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized." I read that to mean they are NOT like those of cis women.

The data is there, in some cases, but the sample sizes are small. I like larger studies for my proof.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/10/transgender-stories-people-think-we-wake-up-and-decide-to-be-trans
here u go, cuck

OK, I read your article. Since I never said there aren't transgender people, so I don't understand why you referred to it.

There is nothing in the article that would prove or even argues that a transgender woman is female. In fact, one of the people in the article didn't know which one they were, male or female. It actually proves my point. They are suffering from a mental disorder, that is all.

So how many genders are there? Is it ok to give children hormone blockers and lop of their reproductive organs?

How does this differ from other disorders like anorexia? A woman feels she is fat, or self-identifies as fat, even though she isn't and takes drastic steps to try and match her body with what she feels she is. A man believes he's a woman and takes drastic measures to match his body with what he believes he is. Both believe they are something they aren't so what makes one a mental disorder and not the other?

1. Man idk, I don't think it hurts anyone to ID as non-binary, as long as it ain't some weird tumblr gender like flowergender or w/e
2. My cis friend was given hormone blockers when she was nine because puberty was starting too quickly and nothing bad happened to her when she stopped taking them. if a kid taking them because they thought they were trans then realizes they're actually cis while they're taking them, they can just stop taking them and puberty continues normally. Surgeries should probably be done at 18, since they're very expensive and from what I've heard, painful.
3. Anorexia can be treated through therapy and medicine, and getting modifications/surgeries aren't needed. It's also not necessarily something you're born with. Gender dysphoria, on the other hand, can only be treated by transitioning, and it is something you're born with. Your mind is a different gender from your body.

Here's what I really don't understand. If you're born with the wrong gender then what is gender fluid? How can your gender be ever changing?

tbh, I'm kind of iffy about genderfluid, but ig it's when your dysphoria comes and goes really intensely.

ran that image through Google image search. Result did not disappoint.

Gender identity is less about behavioral, cultural, or social circumstances or upbringing and more biological.

While there are a number of genetic, biochemical studies gender identity, we don’t fully understand the involvement of specific genes. However, it is likely that genes [which in turn code for proteins, enzymes, hormones etc.], more than any other factor play a role in transgender identity.

Genes are just as physical as external genitalia.

That is the first argument anyone here has proposed that made some sense. While I have not seen evidence of this, it is a good point. Don't know if this would be enough to say a trans woman is a man.

Yep. And I deal in genomic expression quantification.

So.....bring it on? I'm open to data,

oh lord that's painfully ironic,, it's actually Slazo, a cis dude
he's funny tho, u should subscribe