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1950s Middle Finger Meme | MY FAMILY GOT HERE LONG AFTER COLONIZATION AND SLAVERY, LIKE MOST TODAY SO DON'T BE EXPECTING RECONCILIATION, REPARATIONS, OR AN APOLOGY FRO | image tagged in memes,1950s middle finger | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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7 ups, 1 reply
My family got here between 1640 and 1880...and they were all too poor to own slaves.

So...no dice, kids!
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6 ups, 4 replies
"Too poor to own slaves"

What a terrible plight they must've been in, where they couldn't even afford to own another human being. Damn shame.
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7 ups, 1 reply
That's not what he meant and you know it. He was pointing out that his ancestors did not own slaves, not asking for sympathy because they couldn't.
Quite frankly it's irrelevant anyway. I don't know what my ancestors did or didn't do. But I had no say in it. I'm sick of rich black actors lecturing me about my "white privilege", meanwhile I may very well be homeless in a few months because I can't make rent. I sure as hell don't feel "priveleged".
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4 ups, 5 replies
Do you worry about being pulled over by police because you look "suspicious"?
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No, because I can't even afford a car. I have been stopped (while waliking) for looking suspicious, when I lived in Compton.
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More worried because I smell suspicious... in certain states lol
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5 ups, 2 replies
Hate to burst your PC revisionist myths, but you might want to look up the reason for the Civil War.
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"Actually there were several reasons. Aside from the obvious schism between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists, economic factors both domestic and international played a --"

"hey hey.. just say slavery"

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwHQYDqf6c
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4 ups, 1 reply
You're joking, right?
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I'm guessing you didn't click the link...
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3 ups, 1 reply
So you are home schooled. I am sorry. In my world that would be against the law. You are the product of your parents. Nothing more.
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Haha nah, just telling you what the data shows. Now your insults can make sense lol

Would be against the law?... Wh-why?..
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2 ups
Scroll down for what you were too lazy to look up.
Illuminate your ignorance a bit.
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3 ups, 2 replies
jfc/..... were you homeschooled? ffs you idiots... The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
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No reply options left to your reply below, so I'll reply here.

That map was the reason for the Civil War.

I skimmed through the article you posted (I normally don't do links) and saw nothing about the Civil War being about freeing slaves.
There was, however, a few mentions of concerns about State rights and a belief from Southern States that the Western Territory and States made from it should be allowed to have slaves if they so choose, despite what the Missouri Compromise (1820) had forbidden above the 36th Parallel in that area.
The Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854 and the Dred Scott Decision (1857) effectively repealed it, aggravating the North. Add to that the 3/5ths vote advantage the Southern States had, and the stage was set, since both would basically put the Federal Goverment in Southern control. Naturally Northern States wouldn't want to be rendered permanently subjugated to them, so seceding became the solution to preventing them from countering the imbalance.
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Home-schooled kids tend to outperform other kids on standardized tests and have higher graduation rates...
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There were serveral reasons for the American civil war, one of them was slavery
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5 ups, 4 replies
The Civil War was not fought to free slaves.
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This is the first time we have differed... it was ALL ABOUT slavery... https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
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Not just about slavery but largely, have you not had any history lessons or something?
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It was fought to save the Union and free the slaves
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Your buddy laonsite was trying to help you out. Based on the evidence, it seems that some folks were fighting because of slavery. You don't even try to come back with evidence of your own.
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"Not just about slavery but largely, have you not had any history lessons or something?"

Ignorance is not cute.
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"Not just about slavery but largely, have you not had any history lessons or something?"

To free them? No.
But you are free (see what I did there?) to indulge me.
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Yeah, that's true. I never denied that.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Yes. Very much so. I am bald, with a beard, and big. I drive a beat up pickup in Southern California.

So, yes, I do worry about being pulled over by the police "because I look suspicious."

Not often, but it does happen.

Oh, did you think that was something only black or brown people had to deal with....?

Maybe the racist is closer than you think....?
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5 ups, 2 replies
I didn't think it only happens to black or brown people, but I would wager it happens to them at a higher rate than white people.

Until recently I lived in Bellflower. What area do you live in?
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6 ups, 2 replies
Who cares what rate it happens?

Only victims.

If everyone stopped acting like victims, it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.

So there's racism. And? Is racism the major problem in America it was 70 years ago?

Not even close.

But, teaching people that racism "remains a core problem in the US"...which is demonstrably untrue...oppresses them, keeps them thinking of themselves as victims, and prevents them from achieving their potential.

Did MLK Jr think of himself as a victim? About about Booker T Washington? How about Frederick Douglass? How about Madam CJ Walker? How about Randolph Elder?

What...you've never heard of the last two...?

Funny, that. One of the first self-made FEMALE millionaires in America was a black woman, born just after the Civil War. And yet...no one ever talks about her. I wonder why?

And ALL of those people faced REAL racism and REAL Jim Crow. Did they think of themselves as victims? Hell no. They ignored all of it, and overcame and conquered.

THAT is what people should be focusing on. Not all this BS "profiling" and who gets more of what.
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6 ups, 2 replies
MLK jr may not have acted like a victim of racism... but he did end up getting shot in the face by a white man. So it seems ironic you'd bring him up in context.
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So MLK actually became an actual victim.

And...? Did that change his message? Did that disprove anything he had said?

No. Not in the slightest.

But Leftists are hell bent on stirring up race hatred in the US, some for political gain, most because of their own unresolved and mass hysterical guilt that passes, like the plague, from Leftist to Leftist, over an issue they had absolutely nothing to do with.

And so now we have more racism in the last 5 years, than we did in the previous 50, and why? Because everyone is forced to deal with the aforementioned guilt of the minority, and the minority sees racism around every street corner. "Look! There's a racist! Look, over there! Another one! My GOD, Janet, we're SURROUNDED by racists!!!"

Even if that were true...even if!...so what? If you don't think of yourself as a victim...you won't victimize yourself. And neither can anyone else, even if someone makes you an actual victim.

And that is half the battle of life, right there.
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5 ups, 1 reply
So your position seems to be: MLK conquered racism.. despite getting killed because of racism.. and even if we are still surrounded by racism that was already conquered... just tell yourself you're not a victim of racism and everything will be honky dory?
(And something about leftist guilt being akin to some kind of hysterical plague. )
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I didn't say anything of the sort. You are inventing a narrative....a straw man...to argue against. Nobody said anything like that.

MLK didn't "conquer" racism.

He conquered being a victim in his own life. He conquered his own self-pity, and chose not to let what others said and did deter him and his goals.

And, if you live in the United States of America, you are not "surrounded" by racism. It's 2018...not 1948. A lot has changed in the last 70 years. Welcome to the 21st century. We elected a black man as president...twice!

It's not denial, either. It's acknowledging the fact that you have no control over what others think, and choosing not to worry about that, or let it affect you in any way.

Of course, if you want to be a victim, no one can change your mind. You are the only person who can do that. But while you remain a victim, while you think of yourself as a victim, you only harm yourself and the people around you.

And I think the phrase you're looking for is "hunky dory"...unless, of course, you're using "honky" as a racist term.
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My invented narrative strawman was based entirely on your words. I haven't heard about MLK conquering his own self pity, so I assumed you meant racism. Do you have any links about said self pity? I'd be interested in reading them.

I'm well aware that we elected a Obama twice.. what happened after that? The guy who railed on said "black man"'s birth certificate/ citizenship status for nearly a decade and promised to negate everything Obama did got elected.

I never said we are "surrounded" by racism. Seems you created that strawman.

I don't consider myself a victim of anything.. but my feelings don't negate other actual victims. Facts not feelings right?
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I already explained it to you once. If you, Leftist, insist on making things up, then attributing them to others, then knocking those "arguments" down....and then pretending that's not what you're doing...you're not going to get very far.

As far as MLK conquering his own self pity...you don't need to "hear" anything, nor do you need any "links." The man was a walking, talking example of a real man, the kind who didn't give in to feeling sorry for himself. His entire LIFE, start to finish, is a shining example of a person who conquered self-pity, or he wouldn't have done what he did, in the face of TREMENDOUS opposition. You, being a victim, don't understand that.

Oh, and you did, in fact, suggest we were still surrounded by racism. I guess you can't follow your own train of thought...? Go back, a couple of posts up.

Foolish Leftists...can't even keep track of what they say.
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There should be some kind of participation award given to those who conquer it.
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""Look! There's a racist! Look, over there! Another one! My GOD, Janet, we're SURROUNDED by racists!!!"" .....you quite literally created a narrative and then claimed that i created the narrative and then said im foolish for doing so.

MLK was a great man but saying that "he conquered self pity" is like saying that Trump conquered alcohol addiction.

Are you even for real or just trolling me?
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Are you...for real...seriously suggesting that MLK was not subject to self-pity....?

If you are, you have not even a basic understanding of human nature, which explains why you are a Leftist.

All people are subject to self-pity. All of us. There is not a human alive who has not had to deal with self-pity at one point or another. Every single one of us. "It's not FAIR!" is a phrase that has not escaped a single human being's mind, in one form or another, throughout all of recorded history.

The great among us learn to overcome it.

My "narrative" was obviously hyperbole to illustrate my point. Something that is obviously hyperbole to illustrate a point IS NOT a straw man argument. Straw men arguments are, by nature, meant to fool people, to misrepresent and mischaracterize an opponent's argument, without seeming to do so. Obvious hyperbole, on the other hand, is obvious.

Hmmm...that would be a good meme!
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You're really making MLK proud by focusing on the skin color of his shooter
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4 ups, 2 replies
MLK is murdered by a racist and im racist for talking about it. i only brought it up in the context of Timber saying MLK didn't act like a victim of racism and that he conquered it and such.
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One more time: I didn't say MLK conquered racism. Racism will always exist. I said MLK conquered thinking of himself as a victim, and encouraged others to do the same. When you stop thinking and acting like a victim, you start to win at life.

As BillyVoltaire said: nut jobs exist everywhere, don't be so focused on skin color bruh." Wise words, that would do you well, if you heed them.
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Nut jobs exist everywhere, don't be so focused on skin color bruh
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4 ups, 1 reply
Getting people to stop acting like victims doesn't stop racism. That's like saying "if you don't act like poison hurts you, it won't hurt you".

But I do agree that if people constantly see themselves as victims, they probably won't be as likely to reach their full potential.

I'm not sure why you would assume I haven't heard of Madam C.J. Walker. I actually have. I couldn't remember what she was known for, but I recognized her name.

So people who face racism today aren't facing "real" racism? So if someone mistreated you just because you're white, that wouldn't be real racism?
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Your poison analogy is false, and the result of a victocratic mindset.

Who said anything about stopping racism? You'll never stop racism. Ever. Not so long as the human race lives. The only thing you can do is control how YOU REACT to it. If you let it control your emotions, you become a victim. If you choose, instead, to let it roll off your back...you win.

How much poison on a shelf will kill you...? If you don't ingest the poison, guess what...? It can't do any harm.

If you don't internalize the racism, guess what....? It can't do any harm.

And that's the key word, there: "internalize." If you don't internalize it, it doesn't matter what happens outwardly...even if you're murdered, as MLK was. You still win. And those you influence, if they do the same thing, also win.

It would be nice if you stopped making statements up and attributing them to me. I never said that people who face racism today aren't facing real racism. I used the word "REAL"...as you well know...to mean "overwhelming, systemic, ingrained, part of the national culture"...not the opposite of "not extant."

It bogs down these conversations.
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If someone doesn't let racism bother them, then it won't have any effect on them. I agree. But the racism itself will still exist.

I'm hard-pressed to say that even if you're murdered you still win.

I didn't make anything up. You used the phrase "real racism", which I took to mean that racism today isn't "real racism". You said it was meant as "overwhelming, systemic", etc. I certainly didn't pick that up from what you said
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"But the racism itself will still exist."

Yes, that's what I said. Glad we agree.

"I'm hard-pressed to say that even if you're murdered you still win."

Do you think MLK's murder stopped his message....?

"I didn't make anything up. You used the phrase "real racism", which I took to mean that racism today isn't "real racism". You said it was meant as "overwhelming, systemic", etc. I certainly didn't pick that up from what you said"

If you were unclear as to meaning, why did you leap to an assumption, rather than asking for clarification...? I didn't use the phrase "real racism." I said this:

"And ALL of those people faced REAL racism and REAL Jim Crow. "

...and the context should have provided your clue as to how to interpret that. See how the word "real" is both capitalized and used twice, one after the other? That doesn't imply that racism doesn't still exist. It implies that it's nowhere near the problem it was when these people were living their lives. And it's not.

Like when someone says "This is REAL Mexican food!" They're not claiming that there isn't any other Mexican food that exists....they're saying that this is better, more authentic, more flavorful, whatever, than the others they have experienced.

I hope the distinction is now clear to you.
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As for where I live, "SoCal" is more than enough info for public consumption.
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3 ups, 1 reply
How about those whose ancestors came over as indentured servants? Do you actually know what that is or are you just running on the assumption that "omg white people is bad only to minorities"?
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4 ups
Yes, I know what indentured servitude is
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what is even more terrible is ppl blaming them for something they had nothing to do with. Lionell Ritchie has as much slave owner ancestry as he does black, should he have to pay? (see tv show "who do you think you are")
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2 ups, 1 reply
Not at all. Only the richest people owned slaves. My family was decidedly middle class (and occasionally lower.)

I neither apologize, nor make excuses, for the things my ancestors did, or did not, do.

Neither should you.
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4 ups, 1 reply
You aren't to blame for what your ancestors did, but to say they were too poor to own slaves kind of sounds like they would have if they had the money, otherwise why would it be a problem?
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Only to someone who thinks like a Leftist. The point of the statement, to the rational, is that I and my family, like the OP of the meme, had nothing whatsoever to do with the institution of slavery.

Don't invent ways to tear people down. It's not civil.
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7 ups, 5 replies
BTW my family isn't even white so nobody has owned slaves. Throwing money at ghettos won't help. People need to get some work ethic or they don't deserve to rise up. It is not that hard to rise up in America with a focus on school work. The problem is that black culture is really anti hard work
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2 ups, 1 reply
Yes it is. African American culture in America negatively affects the work ethic of the children.
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I doubt that very much
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5 ups, 1 reply
What you just described isn't "black culture" anymore than "white culture" is smoking meth, attending Klan rallies and dragging people behind trucks until they die.
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2 ups, 6 replies
Except that isn't what is glorified by mainstream black culture.
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Octavia said basically the same thing, and here you are talking about a niche market built on sensationalism as mainstream and culture. Laonsite also said similar to what OM and I said.

Maybe you should wait till you hit sophomore year and learn more.
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4 ups, 1 reply
"Claybourne
Stop playing dumb. Or with you it may not be playing. Rap is an example of black culture that glorifies crime and not success throughworking hard."

B-BOY MUSIC is NOT culture, it's arguably not even music.
It's a stylized fad from a small segment of of ghetto kids selling exploitation garbage for suburban wannnabes like yourself looking for street cred.

They exemplify culture and people no more than Emimem, Marilyn Manson, or Lady GaGa does you. Not even Taylor Swift represents Country Music and its fans, and she's their biggest star.

Hate to break it to you, but all those gangsta rappers (which translates to gangster for you) really are not talking about their criminal exploits. Hence why they live in mansions instead of prison cells.
Read some of Tupacs non-rapping poetry for a real shock. A friend read me some once over the phone, I couldn't believe it was him.

Hate to see you find out Alice Cooper isn't really a reincarnated witch.

Stop goofing around and look up culture.
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Xxxtentation shot, Kodak in jail after owning guns on probation and smoking grass with son, lil peep overdose, Gucci mane killed a man, lil pump juvie and jail, examples of rappers.

And kids in the ghettos are affected by this, wanting to be in gangs and thinking drugs are cool.

We are way to far from my original point respond to my comment above.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Love how you're into this 'music.' Never heard of them.
How's your Taylor Swidt love life going by the way, Lady MaGa?

Again, not culture, which you still have not looked up. Also, you're trying to pull a "Which came first, the chicken and fried egg?" so still no.

"And kids in the ghettos are affected by this, wanting to be in gangs and thinking drugs are cool."

What are you, 82? "And now the kids want to take the marijuanas because Bill Clinton played saxaphone on that dastardly Arsenio Hall Negro show"

To wrap up this silliness, Country, Blue Grass, and Blues - which evolved over centuries (and are descendended from music far older) - are culture. B-Boy, Death Metal, Grunge, and Emo are not. They are fads.

B-Boy Music, or 'Gangsta Rap' that you refer to, is product, an expression of what some witness, exagerrated and sensationalized for marketing purposes. In fact, you might want ot look into accusations of why such is being mass marketed by large corporations.
In additon, the largest demographic which purchases this 'music' is who? And yet do you see these white suburban kids pimping, shooting up cops, and smoking crack?
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If you keep repeating yourself cool. I understand you don't agree with me. Scroll down a bit to where you ask me in green and I respond in yellow. Why did you delete the comment?
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2 ups, 1 reply
Glorified be mainstream black culture?
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1 up, 1 reply
What is rap?
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2 ups, 1 reply
You mean B-Boy Music? (The music part is questionable).
What about it?
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Stop playing dumb. Or with you it may not be playing. Rap is an example of black culture that glorifies crime and not success throughworking hard.
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Thanks again!
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Haha my brain is growing. More than half of blacks live in metropolitan areas and more than half of those on welfare are black. So the inner city ghetto culture is black culture in America. A doctor friend of our family was talking about how he wanted to live in the suburbs to put his kids in a better school, but didn't want to leave the black culture in the city. (He is Nigerian born outside of the U.S.) A good amount black kids in the ghettos don't want to so well in school and don't think ahead. IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT. NOBODY AROUND THEM IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, thus the ghettos culture is screwing them. Please don't mistake me for racist. I think black people are as capable and smart as all races, but there is some sort of issue. They are poor and surrounded by opportunity but don't take it. Now, let's back track. I originally said that slavery and racism is not reason to throw money at the ghettos, meaning ghettoized blacks not all blacks. My original point, which we have now strayed from, is that social security won't help or build the work ethic necessary to succeed. Think on tham
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4 ups, 1 reply
Social Security won't what? I see you've said you're just a kid in school, so that explains your ignorance, but perhaps looking up basic things before mangling what they are to suit your bogus narrative might be beneficial.

Original point? Not to me it wasn't.
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My original comment was that. Social security won't help these people succeed and will waste taxpayer money. If you throw money at somebody who is last and doesn't work, it will give them food and a home for a few more days, but they won't work. Why do they deserve it?
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What planet are you from? Nigerian, and he doesn't want to leave the "black culture in the city"? Are you for real? That's like someone from England preferring to stay in a trailer park. It's a totally different culture. Are you pulling a Grind?
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2 ups, 1 reply
Look up Social Security and who is eligible for it. You clearly are talking out the side of your ass.

What race are you since you mentioned you weren't white but then said you were?
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South Asian
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South Asian? That narrows it down to 2.

Nevertheless, I'd say you're from Pakistan, which explains a lot.
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No I was born in Texas but I am ethnically Indian.
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Thank you sir!
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3 ups, 1 reply
Hollywood said that? What entertainment advocated anyone getting gov't aide?

And skip your "Sjw much" faux snootiness. You actually listen to that crap, home boy.
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3 ups, 1 reply
More like stupidity

on your part,

Eminem.
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Ok I listen to rap(its a vice) because I mothafukin vibe to that shit. I appreciate actual good music but it just doesn't give them feels. That could literally be in a rap song. Major themes of rap: B**ches,drugs,I'm the best, car, watch, clothes, prison, gang, f**k the system, imma a bad boy, don't give a f**k
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3 ups, 1 reply
Cringe alert! Wish I saw this before.
So you shoot any hos in da hood, homie?
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0 ups, 3 replies
No I listen to rap. Being a white boy from the suburbs I'm not affected. Rap coming from the ghettos is an example of the culture there. It is not working and breaking rules, and that is why people love it. It is nice to fantasize about not giving a shit. Then you wake up and go to your 9 to 5.
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Was under the impression you weren't white.

9 - 5? Just what kind of school you attend?
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yea the "music" i there culture ''' jfc where do you people come from?
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This is getting long past redundant.
No, it is not.
Have you ever even been outside of the suburbs? And I don't mean to Walmart....
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Lol! I bet it could be!

I can't stand 90% of the rap I hear because the people that play it at my gym only play dumb rap about drugs, b**ches, big D, I'm the best, get that money, and all the other retarded shit. I hear enough to know that stuff makes developing minds fing retarded.

I feel bad for kids that only listen to rap. There's a lot of them in my region and they do grow up to be retards, I see it every day.
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In class we saw a video where they asked kids what they want to be when they grow up(maybe 8-10 y.o) in the 90s theyd say doctor or astronaut. Now they say rich or famous.
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Lol! Haha

To be fair... I'd still like to be rich!
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Hell yeah, but there has to be some sort of path.
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3 ups, 2 replies
Not only whites owned slaves. There were plenty of freed african americans who turned around and purchased slaves of their own. Mexican and Cuban americans who owned slaves as well.
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We are learning about that in history. Before the "Terrible Transformation", black slaves had a chance to turn their life around like Anthony Johnson. After slavery was racialized and industrialized it is just a myth.
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3 ups, 1 reply
That's a lie. There were black slave owners up until the Civil War, and many of them only gained their freedom within a few years before the war started yet had no issues buying other african americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison is just one example. Not only did he own slaves at the time of the civil war, he actively supported the confederate government and they had no complaints.
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2 ups, 1 reply
This was much smaller. Get your head out of the sand and stop pretending that blacks were treated with even a shred of fairness. The reason some blacks had no problem is that they wanted a better life for themselves and needed to. It is still the fault of the whites for making this system and treating blacks lower.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Doesn't change the fact that you presenting black slave owners as a "myth" is an outright LIE. I never claimed they were treated fairly, I merely called you out for spreading an untruth.
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Ok, but It is pointed to to justify slavery. It happened so rarely that to say that blacks also owned slaves with out mentioning how rare it was is not completely true either.
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Don't forget Hispanics and Cubans. :) but yes, it was rare. the fact is it happened, though, and to try and sweep it under the rug does nobody any favors
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"Don't forget Hispanics and Cubans." ?
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You are one f**ked up asshole... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Magee
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I was refrencing ghetto black culture today and saying throwing money at it won't help.
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4 ups, 1 reply
anti hard work/.... you another freaking moron. Ill take any black worker over you any day.
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2 ups, 2 replies
http://globalpolicysolutions.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2-Unemployment-rate-by-age-race.png

This is not for all blacks, but on average, they do not try as hard, and that is a product of their culture. The average black person doesn't have the work ethic to get up and succeed compared to other races.
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WOW
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I know right. Pretty rare!
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You sure tell people to STFU a lot.

I imagine it's because you're not capable of forming a rational, coherent counterargument.

I remember when I was a teen. I thought I knew it all, too.
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Spoiler alert: the Confederacy doesn't exist anymore lol
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There are many factors in play and I don't completely understand the reasons the black people are less successful and get into more crime. Slavery is a part, and even if it is the only cause how does it justify throwing money at poor people. It wont give them any work ethic.
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On average yes, a result of the mainstream black culture. Just because there are smart talented rich hardworking blacks doesn't speak for the majority
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I don't mean all African Americans. I mean the ghetto culture in America.
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Slavery isn't a part of anything. There isn't a person alive whose great-grandparents were slaves. Slavery was abolished in the US 150+ years ago.
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The last slave died in 1970 and I was very much alive.... fu you ignorant pos... and it was illegal for me to marry a black girl.... seriously you are one ignorant racist sack o shit
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You DO realize that 1970 was 48 years ago...right?

It wasn't illegal for you to marry a black girl in 1970. Miscegenation laws were struck down by the US Supreme Court, Loving v. Virginia, in 1967, which was 51 years ago.

If you were old enough to get married before 1967, you must be REALLY old.

PS. Keep calling people "racist", as often and as loudly as you can, especially when the word doesn't even remotely apply...eventually, it will lose all meaning, and racism will again flourish...thanks to people like you: genuine racists.

Sad.
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Yes you are right.
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They immigrated legally.
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Yes, illegal immigration from Europe is almost unheard of.
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he is claiming that all whites that came from europe are illegal because they didn't ask the natives for permission, he is not talking about immigration to the USA, but this hemisphere
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Native Americans had an open border policy. We know how well that worked out for them.
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Even if they didn't have an open border policy the Europeans had superior weapons and would have just taken what they wanted anyway. It's what ended up happening.
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Sigh. All of you twits don't know your history.

Fact: There were about 35-40 million natives living in what would become the USA in 1492.

Fact: about 90-95% of them were wiped out by diseases carried by Europeans, unbeknownst to either of them, by 1650.

Fact: that left about 5-6 million natives left...about the population of the Atlanta metro area.

Conclusion: there wasn't much left of the native population. The United States ended up being SETTLED by European SETTLERS...moving to land that was virtually uninhabited.

So enough of this "Europeans were immigrants" nonsense. Until 1787, there wasn't any "nation" that could have restricted "immigration" anyways. And before 1914, there was essentially unrestricted immigration.
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"...land that was virtually uninhabited"

Really? Then how were thousands of Indians massacred throughout the 19th Century? And those are the ones who were killed. That doesn't include the ones who were displaced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_massacres (and yes, this list includes instances where Indians massacred settlers as well)

Obviously the Europeans didn't know the diseases they brought would wipe out countless thousands or millions of people; I'm not talking about that.
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You DO realize that there was 150 to 200 years in between 1650 and 1850...right? You do understand that natives could still have children...right?

The LAND was virtually uninhabited. One more time: by 1650, there were, by estimates, only about 5-6 million natives left in what would become the United States. When the Europeans started coming en masse....1650-1750...the land they moved to was virtually uninhabited.

That certainly was no longer the case, obviously, 100-200 years LATER...and Andrew Jackson (D) certainly caused more than his share of genocide in that regard.

But in the time of British and Dutch colonization of the Eastern seaboard, there wasn't much civilization to "displace."

That was NOT true, by the way, of the Spanish in Mexico, Central, and South America, who did destroy civilizations on their way to conquering those lands.

But it was NOT true of the British and the Dutch in what was to become the US.
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Haha. Of course you had to mention that Jackson was a Democrat XD
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Yes, Octavia dear, because it's relevant. It absolutely matters, because it establishes a pattern.

And laonanist...I thought you were done...? When you decide to make a coherent counterargument, I bet people would be interested. Until then, as you say to everyone, you should probably "STFU." Not because you've been forced to, but because, with every post, you reveal your lack of education.
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Not that their deaths aren't sad.. but tens of thousands died in SINGLE BATTLES in the civil war. The number of natives that died due to direct military conflict with the USA is frankly not a drop in the hat compared to what happens across the world on a regular basis. JUST including our fight for independence from the british, more than 20,000 Americans died.

also lol "His list included 7,193 people who died from atrocities perpetrated by those of European descent, and 9,156 people who died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans." Who was slaughtering who?

Disease is another matter, but like you said.. the original disease that wiped out millions was not intentional.
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Those are military battles, though, not massacres of unarmed civilians. Would you agree that 500 unarmed women and children being killed is more disturbing than 500 soldiers killed in battle?
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Thousands of people don't inhabit much land hahah
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Sure, but then shouldn't we be complaining about the natives? Unless you believe the part of your wiki page that claims more natives were killed in california in 50 years than in all the rest of this hemisphere since colonization(absolute nonsense) then it shows that the natives actually slaughtered more settlers than the other way around
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J. Basler is saying he immigrated after slavery and I assume he is white, so he probably came legally. Laonsite I think was trying to say that Trump doesn't count anybody as a citizen before having kids. That is only for illegals.
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No . The "constitution" states anyone born on US soil is an AMERICAN. - Trump does not believe in the constitution and obviously neither do some of the magats here.
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No it doesn't. It says anyone born on US soil, who is not subject to a foreign nation, is an AMERICAN. Your faulty, Leftist interpretation, which allows anyone and everyone to come to the US to have their baby, and create new US citizens, is contrary to the 14th Amendment, no matter how much you want to scream and shout and wave your pussy hat otherwise.

"magats"...cute!
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Hey asshat Alex Jones fan, anyone NOT WITH DIPLOMATIC PASSPORT.... stfu. I am done with you, you bore me more than flat earthers.
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I already told you, Leftist, that I am not an "Alex Jones" fan, so continuing to lie about that only exposes you for the Leftist lunatic that you are. Are you interested in the civil exchange of ideas, or are you only interested in insulting anyone and everyone who disagrees with you...?

Because the latter is just unadulterated hubris...pride. "I'm right, and you're wrong, so STFU." Except you're not, and reasonable people can disagree.

I DO hope you're "done with me", but as long history has proven, you Leftists can no more be "done" with someone than Napoleon was "done' trying to conquer Europe. Run away if you must, but recognize that it's because you have no rational counterargument.
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Guess you weren't done after all. Predication made, prediction fulfilled.

The nice part about arguing with little kids is that they're not very skilled at making logical counterarguments....so it's relatively easy to knock 'em out rhetorically.
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I wish. Too many skeletons in the closet. I wouldn't stand a chance.
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If you can get a liberal to walk away from an argument you should run for potus lol. In 2024 lol
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So, where did you find this "not without diplomatic passport" language you are referring to? The court case that supposedly upheld birthright citizenship (1898, U.S. vs Wong Kim Ark) did not contain that language. Circumstances today are extremely different than back then. The issue of birthright citizenship needs to be revisited by the Supreme Court.
Personally I think we should uphold birthright citizenship, but be harsh and refuse to allow parents who illegally Imigrate for the purpose of making their ospring a citizen use it to legitimize their own status. When caught, they should be given the option of taking their child with them back to Mexico, or relinquishing them to the U.S. social service system. Then it would not be an issue.
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This is what a rational response looks like, laonsite. Study it well. Screaming about Alex Jones when nobody has mentioned him makes you look like as much of a lunatic as he is.
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and circumstances about a well regulated militia are different today, time to revisit the 2nd amendment... #outlawguns
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Wow, I'd forgotten how stupid you are. What rock have you been hiding under for the last few months? You should probably go back before you have another meltdown.
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Liberals: Tries to tear apart the word "militia", ignores the words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" lol
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you efing idiot... all people WITHOUT a DIPLOMATIC passport is "SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION.... jfc American schools suck and breed idiots... unless you are drop out..
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Because SCOTUS never re-visits things they have already ruled on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_overruled_United_States_Supreme_Court_decisions

Please continue to tantrum. Maybe we'll come for Roe vs. Wade next.
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Coming to take the guns from anyone not in a "well regulated militia" next.
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We'll see what the SCOTUS has to say about it. You can scream and stamp your feet all you want but YOUR opinion on the matter is completely irrelevant, as usual. Just keep hurling insults and looking like an angry child :)
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you effing idiot THEY ALREADY RULED
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Calm down, princess. You're wildly projecting. You don't understand what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", as it relates to the 14th Amendment. It has been explained to you multiple times. It does not mean "all people without a diplomatic passport." It means "not subject to (a citizen of) a foreign power", as Senator Reverdy Johnson explained.

If you willfully insist on maintaining your ignorance, that's on you. American schools DO, in fact, suck and breed idiots. I imagine you're NOT an American, but if you are, your last "sentence" is a perfect example of it.
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Eurotrash w**re.... thats the USA's 'first lady'
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I see you still haven't learned to show any class. You're walking trash. Keep idolizing porn stars and corrupt lawyers. You seem to be about on their level mentally. How did you feel about Stormy having to pay Trump's attorney fees?
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Nice deflection. A-t-t-o-r-n-e-y f-e-e-s.
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you are an idiot, a real life stupid as f**k idiot... Financial Times Donald Trump’s debt to Deutsche Bank https://www.ft.com/content/8c6d9dca-882c-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787
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He was banging porn stars while Eurotrash w**re wife who cant speak English was having a baby.... you must be proud....
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Why pay bills? when you can just cheat them out of it? freaking magats
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You can keep your extra credit lessons on dipshittery. Democrats control schools across the country, have for decades, and our schoolkids still look like morons compared to most of the developed world. The only lesson I'm willing to learn from you is an object lesson in why you shouldn't make an utter fool of yourself. You show about as much class as an outspoken klansman. Every word you type is insulting people based on where they're from, how they look, or what they've done in the past. You are hate and bile in human form. Were you maybe in jail for the last couple weeks? Wouldn't surprise me a bit, tbh.
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On what planet are you from, because it sure isn't anywhwere near NYC. You know, where most immigrants pass through.
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