It's an abominable church. There's a reason people fled to the Americas.
How are little kids supplied to the church? If the church would have kept its nasty hands off the local populations kids they might have gotten away with it. No mercy for them. I really hope they bring back the gallows. I can't wait for the storm. I hope it's televised.
Catholicism is a sect of christianity. I also wanted to use your argument of painting everyone with a wide brush because of what a minority does. If catholic priests can't stop messing with kids, then the entire Christian faith must be into it. If a handful of so-called muslims get suckered into blowing themselves up, it must mean every Muslim on the planet must be out for blood. Have you ever stopped to think that if all muslims were violent, you'd be dead by now?
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Have you ever stopped to look at Muslim majority countries and their history? Yeh, I'd either be praising Allah or be dead. No question about it.
The Catholic Church preaches one thing and does another. It's an abomination that manipulates and lies to its followers.
Islam preaches one thing and does it. It tells its followers to conquer through violence and that's exactly what they do. You're deluding yourself if you believe otherwise.
They were like that in the beginning, but througout the centuries various religions have generally been allowed to be practiced. Moorish Spain had Moslems, Christians, Jews, Turkey's control extending to the Balkans - some adopting Islam - most not, Lebanon - home of the first Christian group (Maronite), Egypt - the oldest Christian Church (Coptic), Armenia - the first country to adopt Christianity as a state religion was often under Iranian rule...
The religious minorities ISIL is trying to stamp out live in what was once Turkey, as they had for millenia before the Turks themselves arrived. Jews facing persecution during the Spanish Inquisition escaped mostly to Arab countries. Sephardic has become synonymous with Arab Jew, although it's Hebrew for Spanish. Iran has had Jewish people since its inception over 2600 years ago, and is their 2nd biggest community in the Middle East.
Granted, there has been exceptions - witness Turkey's genocide of Armenians (Iran also has the 2nd highest population of them, as many escaped to there), and Iran's treatment of Jews since 1979, causing most to leave - but for the most part, prior to our meddling in the last century, everyone from Allowites to Zoroastrians not only coexisted peacefully in Sunni and Shiite countries, but they did with far less persecution than they would have in Christian Europe.
Focus, the meme only highlight a 1400 year old lie and pattern, no one said a billion and a half Muslims were violent. No problem can be solved by covering it up. Time for Muslims and appeasers to wake up drink some coffee and work on a way to stop the violence, the rest of us will gladly help but it has to start with them.
Actually bought this book but not read it as it's packed with a ton of other stuff since I was moving and.. Anyways, this has a good synopsis:
"'A Mosque in Munich': Agents of influence turn a German mosque into ...
Jun 5, 2010 - Bruce Ramsey. Special to the Times. 'A Mosque in Munich: Nazis, the CIA and the Rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in the West'. by Ian Johnson .."
Basically, the Nazis attempted to utilize Moslems in Germany from Central Asia to foment trouble back home as proxies against the Soviets.
During the Cold War, the CIA & West continued to use what started there to spur nationalism and religious fervor amongst them as a means to also halt the spread of Communism in the Middle East and against Nasserism and its dream of a pan-Arabic state. Last thing our oil companies wanted was a unified Islamic bloc in the region.
We utilized Wahhabism - radical Islam - for this, encouraging its growth and spread.
Reagan funded Bin Laden $1.5 billion to create what became Al Queda to fight against the Soviets in Afganistan, giving them CIA training which they ultimately used against us.
From Britain and Russia using divide and conquer tactics to split apart Persia during the Great Game to the CIA's coup to arrest Mossadegh and end Iran's democracy in 1954 for the sake of British Petroleum Oil, you can understand why that country is a tad miffed at us.
Ditto for splitting Turkish territory into artificial countries in which we have continued to instigate anatagonism between various religions and ethnicities to keep them verging on unstable, propping up brutal dictator/puppets, to Israel, to our invasion of Iraq for a lie... we've gladly helped to start factions fracturing all the while thinking tweeking trouble just a wee bit more is all it'll take to sew the whole mess up,,,
Not saying that justifies terrorism, but there's a reason this stuff wasn't happening prior to WWI, and that reason is us.
You said something below about one on one them saying... Sadly, much of that is telling you what you want to hear. Yes, parts of the koran advocates hatred, and there are cultural aspects that cause them to have a certain disdain towards the West. Integration is superficial, as they have literall walls to keep them apart from their own next door neighbors, thus the notion of community is centered around what can be gotten from it. Most don't like us.
I believe both the CIA and the Department of State work for the UN and not the American people. In politics the ruling elite will use any and everything they can to control the people, some use drugs, others money, some religion. Muslims are not the issue until they become pawns in a global battle for control of the masses.
At most, the UN begrudgingly goes along with them or offers some token condemnation.
Assasinations of the leaders of the Dominican Republic and Chile were for US business interests. The coup in Iran was for BP oil. In Guatemala, it was for the United Fruit Company. The director of the CIA at the time owned stock in that company, which produces Chiquita bananas. The civil war in that followed in that one lead to 100,000 deaths, plus 50,000 still missing. Those people died for the sake of you not having to pay slightly extra for bananas.
No Moslems behind those shindigs.
How do you like them apples?
It's true it has a violent history - but if we're objective, Christianity really isn't that different historically. The fact is most average Muslims just want to live in peace and get along with their lives without wars and stupidity, same as the average Christian or atheist.
Almost true, Christian's did have a violent past but they got over it and they condemn violence in their name, Islam still has not grown to that point and never will until people stop lying and start forcing the issue.
Christians have brutalized and exploited and raped and killed more people in the name of Jesus than have all other religions in history COMBINED. Heck, they outdid them all in the 20th century alone.
The Bible even prophesized it. Son of the Jackel, seated in Rome, who will steal the religion of the Chosen and call it their own but not before corrupting it beyond recognition... cutting the world into pieces and trampling it under their feet....
I read the koran, you don't have to tell me believing it is dumb, tell them.
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Religion of peace? Peace only exists in Islam when all other religions are exterminated. That book sure likes to tell its believers to go out and fight people. To be fair, it tells them to be nice to other Muslims. Everyone else is fair game. Here's a few good ones. I could fill the page but you'll get the idea.
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."
Islam seems to carry around a very violent subculture, ignored and protected by the rest. It is easy for outsiders to claim that all belief systems have the same problems but that ignores both history and the present. No other systems have a concept of rape, pillage and burn and no other system rewards their criminal subculture. I have seen ex-jihadis walking around like rock stars, their people love and respect them, to claim different is just a lie. Call out a Muslim and you are condemned as Islamophobic, which is starting to be an honor. The same people that defend the violence would never consider forgiving a snale for being a snake.
The underground railroad was also Christians, the problem with the you did it to is lack of focus, Islam does have an unbroken record, Christians have a history. I didn't write a meme to condemn Islam most of the worlds billion and a half Muslims are great people, the meme only highlights a need to seek reform, nothing more. all this hate on the thread shows others taking an issue without cause. I would love for a mainstream Islamic group to claim the days of claiming every act of violence is allowable has ended no more lies, no cover ups and no more support. Christians fought hard to reclaim their good name, I would love to see Islam grow up and join the modern world. A not in out name approach to ending the nutjobs claiming every act of violence is justified by calling it jihad would gain global approval.
The similarity of morality in the Koran and the Bible is not accidental. Mohammed almost converted to Christianity but saw it had corrupted and deviated too much from the OT.
Mainstream Islamic leaders do not support terrorism any more than mainstream Christian leaders support thre KKK and other supremacist militias.
Wahhabism is the reform of Sunni Islam, and its acceptance and spread was via US funding.
You neglect to differentiate the difference between Sunni and Shia and other sects. That all Islamic terrorists are Sunni is not accidental. Your reform occurred immediately after Mohammed's death. The squabbling between them that you claim has been ongoing 1400 yrs but is mainly a 20th century born phenomen would be the implementation of it vs those against...
I call out Christians when they earn it. I have never understood why Islam gets a break the other faiths do not. Consider all gthe problems the fake refugees caused Europe, do you think anyone will ever help real refugees in the future? I expect them to turn their backs. People will not take the time to consider why thinks happen, who pushes an agenda or who gains from it. I have lived in Islamic countries, never had any issues but I also refuse to lie to protect them. Islam has a problem with violent thugs, it always has and always will. What could and should change is the Islamic world could condemn them, expose them and jail them. That alone would be all that is needed.
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Slavery was practiced by all sorts of people. Generally, Christians did not keep slaves. Did some have slaves? Yes. Did the vast majority not have slaves? Yes.
The vast majority of Muslims practice slavery. In this country, they typically do not, since the United States abolished it many years ago. Islam is a religion of hate and violence. True Islam is practiced in the middle east and is an accurate depiction of said religion.
Christianity is practiced all over the world and the vast majority of actual Christians do not practice slavery and violence.
No, that would have been a greedy, violent plantation owner. A true Christian would NEVER do what's being portrayed in this stylized and idealized racism promotion poster. Jesus wants us to love our neighbor as ourselves. See how the poster and the truth don't mesh?
The New Testament even tells slaves to accept their servitude and be obedient, as should women as well.
Christians have used the infidel excuse to rape, pillage, and kill, as they did to Africans, Asians, Australian Aborigianals, Polynesisians, Melanesians, Native Americans, etc - even Christians they were supposedly defending during the Crusades...
They said being non-Christain gave African slaves and Native Americans no rights, but even after they converted, they were still raped, tortured, murdered, families torn apart, and sold....
Don't play a game you can't win, a simple google search will show some Muslim murdering someone daily and they always claim it was jihad, so allowed. Christians condemn the violence in their name. Muslims could do the same but it has to start with them.
The Christian religion and the bible have been used to excuse hundreds of years of slavery, including the r&pe murder and sale of human beings. Black men have been burned, beaten and castrated by white Christians for the entertainment for the whites of that town with postcards of the event sold to attendees. The islamophobe above said that Islam is the only cultural system that does this and it is not. He just wants to blame someone other than his own race and religion for the horror of the world. And by doing so, she is once again excusing widespread violence just like her ancestors did when my ancestors were slaves in this country.
No, you're not disproving anything. You are trying to change the subject.
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Shows what you know, imgf*g. I got to see some of those protesters first hand in New Orleans for that gay pride festival. It's pretty obvious they're not Christian. Most likely paid actors to stir the pot.
But obviously Islamic terrorists must represent all muslims everywhere right?
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Those actors act alone. As a Christian I was appalled by their behavior. Again, it's obvious they were only there to stir the pot. The liberal agenda is to demonize Christianity. What better way then having a bunch of older white males shouting insults and telling all the gays they are going to hell?
Islamic terrorists are rock stars. Saying I shot a US soldier gets burka's all wet. There are countries filled with fans shouting Death to America.
Apples and oranges.
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Octavia, I really hope you're a troll. I know you're a brick wall incapable of changing your beliefs, but I hope you're not so naive as to believe paid protesters aren't real.
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Typical Octavia response. I was waiting for you to say "but what about him exactly".
It's obvious he was paid and this is a fake protest:
Those are fancy signs. Looks like they were printed and provided to them. It's pretty clear the signs came from the same place. They all use the same font. What a joke. Those people are stupid. The only thing dumber are the people that think they're real protesters.
Those aren't the messages of Christianity. They are designed to imitate Christianity to smear it. It's all just too obvious.
Octavia is no troll and has provided plenty of useful discussions. The meme didn't call out Islam just its cover up policy, it is well past time for that to change. Muslims tend to be an honor focused people, saving face is more important than admitting a problem. I spent years working with them and one on one they will admit that the jihadis are a problem. i would like to see the majority rise u and demand a reform. I will meet a unicorn riding a unicycle first.
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Muslims don't want to change their minds, they want the rest of the world to change theirs and praise allah.
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I've never heard of Westboro. I haven't watched much TV for several years.
The same font thing is brilliant.
There are absolutely paid actors in that picture.
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You're not smart.
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If you don't want to accept it that's your choice, but it's true.
What is intelligence? How does intelligence make decisions?
If all other religions are exterminated, the Shia and Sunni will begin (or rather, continue) killing each other over who is believing in Allah in the wrong way.
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Just a few quotes, so many more. Yes Christians had the crusades but there was a reformation that stopped that. Islam has not had a reformation and still stone woman, throw gays off of buildings, burning Christians and taking them as sex slaves.
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
Maybe quote the entire Koran, instead of cherry picking. Because not all passages are to kill "infidels" just as much as the Bible wants virgins to be virtuous?
"But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the w**re in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22: 20-21)
So it's still up to the individual to kill or not. The weapon doesn't kill the person, it's the person behind the weapon that decides.
If you're saying a book brainwashes then I'd ask you why is a book raising a child? Not one person has ever been raised by a book. They're raised by a parent or "guardian." and they are the ones who teach to kill in the name of.
Another cherry picked verse?
"I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy 2:11
A very unhelpful and weak reply, your apple vs oranges comparison is not only simplistic it ignored the subject of the meme, 1400 years of violence is not just a pattern it is policy. The first time I see Christians or any other religion training children to rape, murder, enslave and attack others, I will make another meme, until then, I recommend that you comment on subjects you know something about. Better yet serve in anyone's military that has to clean up after believing Muslims decided to practice their faith. To be fair, their favorite targets are Muslims that don't think like they do but that has always been policy.
Look you widdle feels got hurt by a little truth. Name some thing a Christian did today that was violent and accepted by his or her church. I can find a muslim killing or raping for his god with a simple google search. The meme was not meant to hate Islam but to expose the people that work daily to hide its mistakes. Nothing changes if people lie.
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Your examples of Deuteronomy is Old Testament stuff. Your criticism is antisemitic. Let the Jews believe what they want. They aren't a very violent religion and don't practice outdated beliefs.
The Timothy excerpt is also an example of an outdated belief that is not practiced. It's also worth noting that is not an actual teaching of Christ.
Islam still practices 1000 year old beliefs that other religions consider outdated. The Quran says "go fight them" many, many times. The core of their religious foreign policy is convert, enslave, or kill; in that order. There is zero tolerance for other religious beliefs in Islam.
Believe what you want. I'm just telling you how it is. Evil is real.
Do you know that in biblical times, people worshipped the 'god' Moloch. His followers would sacrifice children in a burning hot oven. Other horrible things like that went on in those pitiless times. Maybe... Just maybe, the 1st commandment made more sense than you think? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch
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You have a lot of misconceptions about Christianity. You should probably do a little research before you start spitting out lies. First thing to understand, New Testament takes precedence over the Old Testament. Christians aren't Jews. Everything in the Bible was put there by the Catholic Church. You should know they have an agenda. Christianity is about becoming like Christ, not following the Bible to the letter. God isn't killing anyone for breaking one of his 10 commandments. He only smote hotbeds of sin like Sodom.
Judaism is a barbaric religion. God came down and said get your act together or I'll smite you. He had to tell people that stealing, killing, lying, and sleeping around was wrong. Can you imagine a world where people just went around and did all that care free? Christ came and set the bar a lot higher for believers.
As I've stated, a lot of things in the Bible aren't practiced anymore. We don't kill women for fornicating or kill homosexuals, for example. A few hundred years ago, sure; but we've come a long way.
Muslims do kill for sin, all the time. They still practice that stuff. Convert, enslave, or kill; the only way to deal with any other religion according to Islam. No gays allowed. Women are second class humans.
Islam is similar to Judaism. It was used to keep a bunch of hot head barbarians in line. The difference between Jews and Muslims is that the Jews got civilized. Muslims in their native countries are barbarians with guns, cars and TV's.
There's big differences between wealthy Muslim countries and poor ones. Wealthy ones learn to adapt to modern society by being lax with their beliefs (this is exactly what separates Christians and Jews from most Muslims). Poor ones that are strong believers in the Quran would kill you on the spot, Octavia. You would be the entertainment for the night. All religions have their dark teachings. The difference is that Muslims actively practice them en masse. It is their mainstream.
A jihad celebrated as a rock star is the same as "gang members (white, black, brown, yellow, red) " are celebrated for their crimes and they're brought up on some sort of religion. Guess what, odds are Christianity if they're in the US.
Again, you believe it's because of a book that causes violence ONLY from one religion.
I bet you blame the individual if they're Christian and say they're misguided on what it is to be Christian. But won't believe a jihad isn't?
I said the individual is misguided in the teachings of that book. It's certainly not all hate and kill. You said you read the Quran, so you should know.
Read about Ali Soufan, an FBI agent during 90s and mid 2000s.
Islamic extremism: Know your enemy, they admonish. Which is ironic, because theirs is a mantra Soufan shares. “People ask what is the most important weapon we have against al-Qaeda,” he writes, “and I reply, ‘knowledge.'” Soufan is talking about the extremists’ unique and flawed Islamic theology, but he’s also referring to their petty jealousies, personal foibles, and past histories. Treating every terrorist as a mere drone in a massive Muhammadan hive mind misses the point. “Each detainee is different, knows different things, and has different triggers that will get him to cooperate.”
The title of the book stems from a hadith popular among Islamic extremists: If Muslims see an army rising from the historic region of Khurasan in Central Asia marching under the black banners, they should join them. The idea is that this army will defeat the enemies of Islam in an apocalyptic final battle. Yet despite its popularity among extremists, scholars consider the hadith to be of “questionable origin.” Like all religious extremists, Al Qaeda’s embrace of rigid textualism is selective.