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FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Matrix Morpheus Meme | WHAT IF I TOLD YOU THAT TRUMP AND SESSIONS CHOSE TO INACT A POLICY NOT A "LAW" THERE IS NO "LAW" TO SEPARATE MIGRANT FAMILIES LEGAL OR ILLEG | image tagged in memes,matrix morpheus | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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7 ups, 2 replies
Nice try, but second offense is a felony. That's the fact you ignored.
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6 ups, 3 replies
Ummm ok? even if it is? 1st Offense is still a misdemeanor so??? You transformed my statement into something it did not say..BTW? Committing an offense that in fact harmed NO ONE other than your fake American patriotism? You actually think that should be a felony? A none violent action? Interesting FACTOID..An Amrican high school teacher was charged and convicted of 3 felonies for showing a rated film to her students. BURN HER AT THE STAKE!!!!! The felony charge is nothing more than a back door gun grab. USA USA USA....Thanks for playing.
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6 ups, 1 reply
So... misdemeanors are not causing the problem here. The law each presidential candidate has run on enforcing is finally being enforced. Imagine that, a president keeping a promise. Something else that's facinating is all this rage that wasn't evident while this was happening over the last 20 years,nor when Obama actually had pictures of children in cages, or when they deliberately put kids back in the hands of people claiming to be parents only to find out that they just handed children over to sex traffickers. Nope. Ya probably didn't care then. Your outrage is manufactured just like your compassion.
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6 ups, 2 replies
You can attempt to deflect all you like. But?? Obama is not president now and no other president had a policy of separating parents from their children and that is what some people are pissed about. ONE LAST TIME!!!! There is NO law that say they can't not house families together. YOU seem to be the one lacking compassion..
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7 ups, 3 replies
You're wrong. The policy being implemented at present is the same one that's been in effect since 96. It's only different in scope. Trump is enforcing it at 100% whereas others enforced at lower rates. The fences housing these kids have been around for a long time. There are plenty of pictures dating back from Obama and beyond. The larger point here is that this whole charade by the media right now is their flavor of the week. Next week they'll give you something else to be mad about, and you will dutifully oblige their request. It's all a manufactured emotional story to keep you from the real news unfolding right under your nose: the fallout of the IG report. I'm not saying you don't have compassion, only that it's manufactured by those who use emotional rhetoric to sway the population when needed. I reserve my compassion for the victims of illegal immigrants, those who are robbed, beaten, or killed by people who snuck into our country.
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Right on
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*cough* nerds
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Oh no logical fallacies coming from a guy who ignores the computer he is using was created because of "nerds"
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I didn't see where he said the "f" word.
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1 up, 2 replies
To be fair, you still get locked up for a period of time even for a misdemeanor crime, depending on the misdemeanor.
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"SpursFanFromAround
I didn't see where he said the "f" word."

Thought I saw a "STFU"
My mistake, thank you for pointing that out, I shall delete the image.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Nope..It's a finable offense. If they actually arrested EVERYONE for a misdemeanor? EVERYONE would be in jail..Thats why they write citations. #1. Better to extort you by threat of force and they don't and could never have the jail space..lol
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0 ups, 2 replies
Ummm, I was arrested for a misdemeanor driving without insurance for the third time. It's a class c misdemeanor. I was also arrested back in my 20's for misdemeanor theft. You do get arrested for misdemeanors.
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1 up, 1 reply
Please read carefully, I did not claim you never get arrested for a misdemeanor..lol..You can be ALL traffic violations are a arrest able offense but like said they choose not to so they can extort revenue twice in fact...The fine it's self and then court costs..It benefits the cop as well from my understanding they receive OT for coming to court..but don't quote me on that lol
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To be honest I forgot why we're even talking about this.

Oh well, moving on.
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Hey? how did you do that?? fix it so i could not reply to that last post?? rather new here..lol BTW? i took a peek through some of your other stuff and if it's all yours and original ? you should think of maybe making it into a stand up routine..Saw a lot of funny stuff..but if your just reposting? never mind..lol
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The site only allows you to comment up to a certain point then it stops and you have to start over. Each comment is color-coded and when you get to the second red (I believe it's the second red) it prevents others from commenting on that comment.

A lot of me stuff is copied and a lot is original. At least I haven't seen them anywhere. I'm not sure which memes you're referring to, but the more recent one with the Dave Chappelle template stating he needs a shower and to get cleaned up and then turns into Obama, is original. The memes with more than one template are my more original ones.

But thank you for the compliment.
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0 ups, 2 replies
Doesn’t harm anyone? I had to live on the street...TWICE in my lifetime and in a homeless shelter for a year on top of that because of losing job opportunities to illegal immigrants. I’m just one of many who have suffered over this issue.
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And before u judge me, homeless don’t mean stupid. There are many homeless people and families out there because they can’t get a job because of companies hiring illegals. I went from life bing on the street to making 20 bucks an hour as a welder. Americans are hard workers too. It’s just liberal bias that has folks thinking otherwise.
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I'm indépendant and can say being a liberal, republican, democrats, etc etc does not make anyone stupid. What makes them stupid HAHA is believing things for no reason. And a person who believes things for no FACTUAL reason can not be reasoned with. These type usually fall back on logical fallacies and believe that is a argument that turns their "opinion" into a fact. Wrong...GREAT funny example? Fox viewers suddenly started calling every news outlet FAKE news because Trump did..Lolol not liking the information does not make it fake also? republicans routinely can be seen on CNN so are they fake news?? lol
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They'll call anything on CNN or MSNBC fake news, even if it's just a video of Trump being a moron...
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thank god those liberal tax dollars pay for those homeless shelters and all the social services you used.

Wanna stop illegals? PROSECUTE THE EMPLOYERS THAT ATTRACT THEM HERE.

Liberals don't think Americans are not hard workers...it's rich people that don't wanna pay them what they deserve. WAKE UP.
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Liberal bias fed and sheltered your unskilled homeless ass, or were those places and the training & job assistance you received run by the bleeding heart conservatives who spat on you?

Learned the cold hard truth the hard way on the streets, and you still don't get it? Really?
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You might want to reconsider defending them...
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0 ups, 1 reply
White guilt don't go around here. Savvy?
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Don't know what the hell you're talking about. No Savvy.
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2 ups
Throw your drivers license and passport away and try to board a plane. Guess what!?! You can’t. Why? You need documentation of who you are.
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so explain why he made a total 180 and is suddenly able to stop the separating of families.
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LOL
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13 ups, 3 replies
Seeking asylum is legal. The policy to separate children from parents for doing so as a deterrent is pure evil.
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9 ups, 3 replies
How would you go about processing the flood of immigrants?

Separating adults from children, males from females, is very practical and much safer than allowing them to be mixed together. You're assuming that every one who comes illegally is an angel looking for a home. That's not the case. Some might be, but there is no way to look and tell who are the good ones and who are bad ones.

To keep the children safe they are separated from the adult population. To keep the females safe they are separated from the males. This also allows social workers and lawyers to specialize in particular types of cases and allows them to only need to commute to one or two detention centers and still have a full load of cases.

You're being manipulated to believe it's a deterrent. It's just the best way the government could come up with to make the process as quick as possible.

If you really care, become an immigration attorney because the immigrants are in desperate need of more legal representation. Calling something you don't understand evil doesn't help the immigrants but shows that you are a victim of ignorance and emotional manipulation. Inform yourself.
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6 ups, 1 reply
I'm not being manipulated into believing it is deterrent, it was Jeff Sessions who said so. Anyway, although I disagree with a lot of what you said, I upvoted you, because of your intelligent response, which you don't see very often on imgflip
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When Sessions that midget f**king moil "as my wife called him" should have been fired for quoting scripture before he got off the podium..
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How's this for information? People hated their tax dollars going to good Americans without healthcare. But they're okay with it being spent on child concentration camps...

https://taggs.hhs.gov/Detail/RecipDetail?arg_RecipId=06BHspu4p3T4AaCcnSxzaA%3D%3D
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You've got some good info there. But you're interpreting it wrong. I'm off to bed but I'll say this:

Taxes never went to health care under Obama. Obamacare forced citizens to buy their own healthcare or face fines and criminal penalties if they refused. It also forced small businesses to pay for employees health care. The government didn't spend a dime, but Obama got funding from the insurance providers during the election. Either the people you worked for or your parents must have paid for yours or you would know this.

Money has to be spent to take care of the illegal immigrants. That's why it's a "crisis". It's a huge drain of government money and American tax dollars. It's getting worse every year. Are you suggesting that we don't spend money on them?

If so, I'm sure a lot of hardcore right people will agree with you and say only spend the money on gas to drop them off across the border. Fortunately our government has more compassion than that and is doing a fantastic job of processing the illegals with the resources that they have available. Not every country would give illegal immigrants quality food, shelter, entertainment, and legal representation.

The fact that a single company is responsible for the care of children is a little weird. I'd think that each state would have a competitive provider but maybe it's a niche that they've managed to dominate over the years. Someone has to do it so don't immediately take a negative position towards them. A few good questions to ask are:

Are they the only provider?
How long have they been the providers?
Were there previous providers and when were they active?
Do providers change with presidential administrations? If so, why?
Are they doing a good job?
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3 ups
Seeking asylum is legal. Sneaking across an international border without seeking asylum while trying to evade the immigration authorities is not.
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2 ups, 1 reply
They aren't seeking asylum, first of all. Secondly, those being arrested are being put in jail or some kind of holding cells. The children being "separated" from their law breaking parents aren't being held in cages as the lefty media are telling you.

This is a distraction tactic to make Donald Trump look like an evil person who loves putting kids in cages and beating their parents to a bloody pulp. There are gullible people who actually believe this, but not as many as you might think.
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1 up, 1 reply
Yes they are.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Oh my bad, didn't realise those were considered horrible conditions. Guess we better hurry and give them their own rooms with cable TV and beds with memory foam mattresses. Should we give them massage parlors, too?

Oh look, their own beds. So horrible.
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Separating children from their parents for NOT breaking the law is kinda sick. You may THINK they are breaking the law but these are at PORTS OF ENTRY not random point along the border. They are going about the process legally and being separated. It's just sick.

Did you see the video of a 18 month old child crying while other children offered toys to console the baby? No one is allowed to hold the child. Sure would be nice if the childs parents were there to care for the child.

But you keep up the fight. Trump gave up.....why is that? Because he was right?
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0 ups, 1 reply
It doesn't even matter what we think about it. Trump overturned the separation issue. An issue that has been going on since the Clinton years at the least. I guess your hatred for Trump is so strong, though, you never give him credit for anything.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Why wasn't YOUR party on top of the "issue" then.... Surely it was so horrid Fox News would have at least reported about it being awful and terrible and evil Democrat-spawned actions, right?

Here's a clue- it wasn't happening. Hence the outrage NOW that it was.

Just stop. Your "argument" is baseless. Your leader changed HIS policy b/c so many people on the right AND the left realized it was an awful policy.

You just keep on going with it though. Good luck.
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You keep saying "my party." Which party would that be, because I haven't told you which party I follow, if I even follow any party at all. You're assuming "my party" is the Republican party, but that would be false. I support Donald Trump at the moment and I support a few Republicans, but I don't support the Republican party as a whole.
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OK- take "your party" out of my statement.....then reply to the actual message in it. Or not if you can't..
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0 ups, 1 reply
I don't know about Fox News, but there were a lot of conservative news sites that condemned Obama for many things that they felt were wrong. The problem was they were being all but silenced. Facebook silences by shadow banning and twitter and google (YouTube) as well.

I already posted a link to a video of on of the conservative news sources calling out the fake news for reporting that Donald Trump is abusing immigrant children. That it wasn't Trump but Obama's administration.
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again...where are the conservative news outlets stories outraged with Obama doing this stuff att the time he was actually president?

There was no outrage. Because it wasn't happening. It's that simple.

There was coverage of pizzagate but not thnis? That's weird.
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7 ups
make sure you have terrible parole
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But America is so horrible and our president is ruining the world. Why come here? Just go to Central America.
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6 ups, 1 reply
So you've all ruined the nation
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Perhaps you should too. The issue here is ILLEGAL immigration, lol
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There is no law, but it makes the logistics easier and keeps everyone safer. How would you organize the flood of illegal immigrants that get caught and put in detention centers?
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1 up, 3 replies
Answer the question. There's more to it than money. What about safety? What about case workers?

It's easy to criticize. Put on on your thinking cap and give me an alternative.
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Safty? So they are not going to be safe staying together in the centers?? Case workers? Guess they will have to hire them or ask for volunteers. everything you just said regards MONEY..LOL ..Im thinking you are simply trying to excuse your bigotry and racism...We are done here..
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If you wanted to anything could be looked at in terms of money.

I never even brought up money, I brought up logistics. The current system does well logistically which makes things easier for everyone involved. Case workers specialize in things like "girls, 17 through 13" or "men, 18-65" because they tend to have archetypes that they can build experience with handling. Keeping families together would mean that to take on a full case load an immigration attorney may have to visit several detention centers spaced out across a large area rather than just one or two. The commute times would also limit the cases they can take slowing the process and backing it up further.

I've got to say, calling me a bigot and a racist was a real treat. Liberal reasoning: When logic fails scream racist!

You're still dodging my question in favor of criticism. How could the current system be made better?
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Hundreds of millions to one company alone, in fact...

https://taggs.hhs.gov/Detail/RecipDetail?arg_RecipId=06BHspu4p3T4AaCcnSxzaA%3D%3D
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Most kids that come illegally do so without their families. That company would still be flush with funds even if families were kept together so don't jump to a conspiracy conclusion. They aren't separating kids just so some company can get paid to detain them. They separate kids because it makes the logistics easier. It's been that way since the 90's under democrat and republican administrations.
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For kids 10 and under. That means kids 11 and up are being housed in the other 25 + jails. That's not a small number, regardless of how many are unaccompanied. Everything you say keeps digging yourself in deeper. Nothing justifies what Trump is doing to these kids.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Digging me deeper?

You mean nothing justifies what Bill Clinton started, and what Bush, Obama, and Trump continued?

Trump has just proven to be the kindest president towards the illegal immigrants and you're still full of blind, ignorant hate. Get smart loser.
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Trump has proven to be the kindest president toward illegal immigrants??? LMAO!!! Omg you really are daft. Holy crap the level of stupidity and denial with the wing-nuts is just baffling.
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Kids are being drugged with psychotropics, abused, traumatized.... and it's all about money for that damn wall. Families aren't going to hurt us. It's the single men you're worried about. It's starting to look like genocide, considering more detainees died in 2017 than any year since 2009. Let's see you justify genocide and how that's the only "logistical alternative."
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You're a liar. You're just shouting bullshit. I asked for some evidence and you've ignored me. If more detainees died it's because the overall population has increased. What's the percentage? How about some real facts?
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Could you remind your buddies because a lot of them don't know this.
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4 ups, 3 replies
A lot of people complaining here. Haven't read a single viable solution.

Don't be a stereotypical liberal. Please end all complaints with an alternative to the current way things are done.

Nobody here has a clue what's actually going on. The liberal media is toying with your emotions so hard.
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2 ups, 1 reply
You don't know shit about me.

Soft hearts can see a problem. Hard hearts solve them.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Hard hearts solve a problem?? By being immoral and cruel ? got it
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How would you go about helping the illegal immigrants? It's tough, it's sad, but it works and anyone that needs asylum gets it. Answer.
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Thats blatantly untrue, not everyone gets asylum, some don't actually deserve it. Grown single men you turn back and tell them go fix your own issues. Families? keep them together at the centers until their case is decided. The solo teens coming alone? Thats a tougher one. If they have legal relatives here? or foster homes? send them there..Others? We have plenty of transports ship them back. My ISSUE is soley the fact they separate the family..BS on that..I'm not a big fan of illegal immigrants but I also don't arrogantly believe America has a moral superiority which Americans are always claiming. This country was created by invading armies of europeans that slaughtered and stole it for Natives already here. Yes they came from elsewhere also and fought each other. But just because PERSON A wrongs PERSON B does not give others that right..
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I could have worded that better. You're right not everyone gets asylum. I said those that needed it, I should have said those that need it and meet certain criteria. In my experience, having heard lawyers talk about cases, most children get asylum and the ones that don't usually just can't handle the long wait in detention centers and opt to be sent home. Idk much about adult cases. I brought up the family issue in an above reply and you've got a partial answer to my question there here.

Almost everything you've said is how things are already done. The system is more generous to adults than your proposal but it's still better to be a kid. The only major difference is the family thing. Keep in mind it's almost impossible to verify that a family is in fact a family. If they get special treatment then adults are going to start coercing lone kids to say they are their parents. Is it safe to have a 30 year old man alone with a 15 year old girl when parenthood can't be verified?
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What are you, jello? You're too soft. Families that cross illegally are usually coming because they want to leach off of America's prosperity. It's got nothing to do with safety or anything. Just greed:

Why should I have to raise chickens when I could move to America and use food stamps to buy eggs?

Their government is responsible for their livelihood, not the US. Blame them.
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You don't get how dangerous it is there, do you? It's not their fault they were born into a world of cartel violence and gangs. These people are hoping for a better way of life. They're not all just coming here to leech off the system. That's where your ignorance and racism has blinded you. There's a special place in hell for people like you. Congratulations. You're a horrible human being.
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I think you've seen in one of my other replies that I do understand. Probably better than you because I literally just finished listening to an immigration attorney I personally know give me her thoughts on Trumps executive order.

There are two major types of illegal immigrants. The ones fleeing violence from Central America and the ones coming to the US looking for an easier lifestyle.

The US takes care of the ones seeking safety pretty well. The major problem for them is the lack of attorneys. The people payed by our government are very compassionate towards these illegal immigrants and work very hard to see them find safety in our country.

The other type are criminals. They are the people I was referring to in the chicken example. If they want to come to the US there is nothing stopping them from applying legally. They choose to cheat the system. They aren't desperate, their lives aren't in danger, they just want an easier lifestyle than the country they were born in can accommodate. They break our laws and should be punished accordingly, same as any US citizens. They don't deserve special treatment.

Enough with calling me racist. It only serves to justify the stereotype that when a liberal is presented with facts they start shouting obscenities.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Funny, that's also the exact number of abortions that have been prevented because of prayer :)
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0 ups, 1 reply
Good point. Arson, assassinations, and explosives have been more effective at that.

Dayum that was so dark and heavy scientists now believe that comment is what everything orbits around the center of our galaxy.
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So based on your comment, you support acts of anti-abortion terrorism?
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Na, it was just the first thing that popped in my head when I read your comment. Probably not funny to a lot of people but I had an evil villain laugh at it.

It's true though. Maybe people will appreciate the prayers more since there have been alternatives. You gata remember, in the minds of those "terrorists" those buildings are places where children are murdered and those doctors kill babies. A hell on earth.

Personally, I neither condone nor condemn those "terrorists". It's one thing to make a living on the death of other people, it's another to make a living specifically on the death of babies. That's f**ked. If someone feels the need to take action, so be it. I don't think it's the best way to go about it though. I believe in educating people about the truth of abortion. Have you ever seen "The silent Scream" film?
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My comment where I said I listen to conservative Christian radio every day was a response to PhilTackett, not you. Sorry for the mix-up. It's on the Planned Parenthood meme.
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"I didn't realize you would fight so hard to be ignorant."

Refusing to watch blatant propaganda that completely lacks credibility is not fighting to be ignorant. Far from it.

"I always watch and read the propaganda of the opposition. I'm strong minded enough to see through the BS and it helps me understand the minds of the people who support whatever subject it is."

Did you not read my other comment where I said I listen to conservative Christian radio literally every single day? If that's not listening to opposition propaganda and viewpoints, I don't know what is.

"You're wrong in this. Not just your opinion, but the way you go about forming it."

An opinion cannot be wrong. A factual claim can be wrong, but an opinion is neither true nor false.

"I wonder why medical professionals would fight so hard to cover the truth up. Maybe because it's worth billions of dollars and there's thousands of specialists who would lose their profession?"

I could say the same thing about Christians and other religious people. Why do they fight so hard to cover up the truth that their claims are false? Maybe because it's worth billions of dollars?

"You only "research" things that agree with the opinions you've already formed."

Read my other comment where I clearly explain why that's not the case.

"I thought you were better than this. I really thought better of you."

Also keep in mind that just because I won't watch one video, that doesn't mean I don't listen to arguments from anti-abortion people. You're making it sound like I refuse to listen to any of them, ever, which is not the case at all.

"I was pro-choice up until about a year ago when I finally saw a baby getting aborted with my own eyes."

So if your values and stances on issues are driven by your emotions, am I to assume you are vegan and anti-2nd Amendment as well?
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I'm only going to address your final statement as the rest is irrelevant or a stonewall. The next two paragraphs are answers to your question. After those I address you.

I'm pro second amendment because I know the value of self defense. There will be people who misuse that freedom, but overall I believe that the freedom does more good than harm.

I'm not a vegan. I've seen the hell that is mass production of meat and it does come into play when I buy groceries. Ever since I saw that chicken nuggets and McChicken style sandwiches are blenderized baby chickens I've completely stopped eating them. Haven't touched one in years.

I like to think that I'm a reasonable person. I know the human world couldn't function as it does now without the sacrifice and suffering of those animals. Because I am not ignorant of their suffering, I have made changes to my diet. I still eat meat and always will, but I make a real effort to avoid products that mass produce meat. Most of the world is ignorant, they can't be held accountable.

You have been presented the opportunity to cast off your ignorance. Our dialogue is a metaphorical blue/red pill. That video can't make you believe anything. All it's going to do is show you, in real time, an abortion using a sonogram. How you feel and what your opinion is about the pro-choice argument after watching it is still up to you.

I have put the red pill in front of you but you're refusing it. I find it mind boggling. I've asked you, taunted you, and now I'm pleading with you, please watch it. Turn off the sound if you must so that no propaganda can reach your ears. See it. See it for what it is. Don't close your eyes to this. If you're unmoved, then so be it; you will no longer be ignorant.
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I agree with what you said about the Second Amendment.

I wouldn't stop eating meat just because the process involved may be unsettling or off-putting. I care very much about animals not being abused or mistreated, but I have no problem eating them. I can respect that your view of animal treatment impacts which products you buy.

I don't think with most people it's about not being accountable as much as that they do care about animals not being abused, but they accept meat production as a part of our society.

"I've asked you, taunted you, and now I'm pleading with you, please watch it. Turn off the sound if you must so that no propaganda can reach your ears. See it. See it for what it is. Don't close your eyes to this. If you're unmoved, then so be it; you will no longer be ignorant."

Okay, I gave in. I went to YouTube and watched the video. All of it. With the audio. My position hasn't changed, but I did watch it. It was pretty much as dishonest as I expected it to be.

Just one example: early on he shows models of fetuses in various stages of development. The 12-week fetus he shows is a little larger than an apricot. During the abortion segment he has a model of a fetus on the table which he says is the size of a 12-week fetus, yet it is nearly twice as large as the model he showed earlier.
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I'm glad you watched it. I've got three questions and then I won't bug you about it anymore, for now anyway.

What did you think about the sonogram?

How did you feel about the sonogram?

Do you think that the sonogram showed a frightened human doing what it could to survive?
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1. It was very grainy and sort of hard to make out much detail

2. Do you mean how did I feel about watching the procedure on the sonogram? I'm not sure. It was an abortion. It was a medical procedure. I think parts of it were likely sped up to falsely give the impression that the fetus was thrashing about. It wasn't anywhere near as graphic or gruesome as I expected.

3. No, because at 12 weeks gestation, I don't believe the fetus can feel pain, is aware at all of what is happening to it, or was doing anything consciously. I believe the movements of the fetus were purely instinctive. I have no reason to believe that a fetus at that stage has any sense of self-preservation or desire to avoid injury.
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I've done what I can.

One time I was at the beach and a large fish washed up on the shore. The top half of it, anyway. A shark had bitten its lower body off with one massive bite.

There was a crowd of people gathered around it. They were all gaping wide eyed at the macabre scene as it gasped for breath each time the waves would recede.

As I looked at the mystified people I knew what I had to do. I ran back to where my friends had setup camp, grabbed a knife, and quickly ran back. As I approached with a knife in hand a man from the crowd asked what I was doing. I told him "I'm going to end its suffering."

He smiled and told me not to worry. The fish was already dead. It's only moving because of nerves.

I looked at him with no emotion or expression as I knelt beside the fish. There was nothing to be said. He said "go ahead if it makes you feel better". I held the fish down and took aim where I thought its brain was.

I couldn't do it. I looked up and asked if anyone would do it. The man volunteered. I handed him the knife and held the fish by its chest to keep it still.

I could feel it's breath. I could feel it's heart beating. It was looking at me. As the man took aim it stopped looking at me and started looking at him. It's heart began to race in my hands.

The man struck hard with the knife, but the fishes skull was harder. The clean kill I was hoping for became a gruesome activity. I could see the man was under stress. His stabs became more and more hurried. Finally, when I couldn't feel the fishes heartbeat anymore, I told him it was over.

Just nerves. He'd probably heard that when he was a child watching an animal die for the first time. He grew up believing it.

The man was shaken. He hadn't realized what he'd signed up to do. I can't say for sure, but I think he saw the fish looking into his eyes. He felt, with his own hands, the nerves coming to an end. The lie had been cast off.

The beach patrol pulled up as I carried the fishes lifeless body to a trash can. They looked at me with sympathetic eyes and said "thank you."

The beach was purged of death and the crowd scattered across the shore. They all went back to having fun. For all but one of them, ignorance was bliss.
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I might be making a mistake with you. You're not as far leaning as some of the liberals on this site. I thought you'd be more open.
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If you don't condemn what they do, that tells me you're okay with it. If you're okay with it, then you're no different than Muslims who don't engage in acts of terrorism, but don't mind when other Muslims do.

You're basically saying you're okay with people committing murder, arson, etc, if it advances the anti-abortion movement. So to you, the ends justify the means. That's pretty messed up.

I find it strange that you twice put the word terrorists in quotes, as if they aren't actually terrorists. Using physical violence of threats of violence to intimidate, terrorize or prevent people from doing something in order to further your goals IS terrorism. Killing abortion providers is terrorism. Bombing abortion clinics is terrorism. Attacking abortion clinics with chemical substances is terrorism. Just because you're okay with people doing those things doesn't mean it isn't terrorism. It just means you're a horrible person who is okay with violence being used to further your goal.

And no, I haven't seen that piece of absurd propaganda.
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You should watch that film. All it does is show you the truth.

Violence has been used to further people's goals since man walked the earth. The difference between Islamic terrorists and the anti abortion "terrorists" is that the Muslims target innocent people to terrorize and the anti abortion folks target child murderers to stop them from murdering. Killers killing killers. Usually it's just destruction of property anyway.

Don't act like violence and being in support of it is wrong. Violence is often the only way to combat evil. Hitler wasn't stopped with words. Don't forget many of your favorite toys and treats are made from blood either.

It all comes down to choosing a side; Who's team you cheer for. I chose the side that doesn't support companies that murder babies as their primary form of income. So yes, I suppose I am okay with it. I don't think it should happen but I don't care if it does. Isn't that called apathy? I'm apathetic.

Watch that video sometime. Ignorance is the real evil.
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"You should watch that film. All it does is show you the truth."

Yup, because anti-abortion activists would never lie to further their goals. Nope. Never.

"Violence has been used to further people's goals since man walked the earth."

That doesn't make it okay.

"The difference between Islamic terrorists and the anti abortion "terrorists" is that the Muslims target innocent people to terrorize and the anti abortion folks target child murderers to stop them from murdering."

First of all, as I've already said, putting the word terrorists in quotes doesn't change the fact that violent anti-abortion activists ARE terrorists. What they do fits the definition of terrorism. You can stop pretending they aren't terrorists, because they are.

Second, whom the terrorists target is irrelevant. Terrorism isn't defined by who is the target of the threats or violence. It's defined by the means and methods used. You say the people the Muslim terrorists target are innocent. The Muslim terrorists would say they aren't innocent. I would say the people targeted by anti-abortion terrorists are innocent. They (and you) would say they aren't.

And for the record, abortion isn't child murder. Abortion is legal. Murder, by definition, is illegal. Therefore, abortion isn't murder. Just because you're a sick enough person to be okay with violence and terrorism doesn't make it okay or justified. Like I said earlier, you're no different than radical Muslims who are okay with Islamic terrorism.

"Don't act like violence and being in support of it is wrong. Violence is often the only way to combat evil. Hitler wasn't stopped with words."

Apples and oranges. War and terrorism are not the same thing.

"It all comes down to choosing a side; Who's team you cheer for."

I support the team that follows the law. You clearly don't.

"I chose the side that doesn't support companies that murder babies as their primary form of income."

No company in the entire country murders babies. Murder is illegal. There isn't a single company that illegally kills babies. Please learn what words mean.

"So yes, I suppose I am okay with it. I don't think it should happen but I don't care if it does. Isn't that called apathy? I'm apathetic."

That's called being a piece of trash, just like every other person who supports terrorism if it furthers their goals.
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Wow a sentence by sentence break down. I must have really upset you. You're better than that.

Seriously, watch it. It's introduction and conclusion are the only parts that advocate the anti abortion arguments. You're strong minded enough to not let that sway you, I'm sure. It's the content in the middle that you need to see. Those are just facts: video evidence, descriptions of the procedures, testimony of abortion doctors. Don't defend your own ignorance.

Maybe they are terrorists. The reason I don't feel comfortable referring to them as such is because they kill killers and the Muslim terrorists you compare them to kill people that don't kill people.

Were those marathon runners killers? Were the people in the World Trade Center killers? Were the people in that gay club killers? No.

You're telling me not to call what abortion doctors do murder because it's legal. Very well, I'll refer to it as an execution. Abortion Doctors execute babies in an extremely painful fashion.

You say you're on the side of the law. It's good to know who's side you would be on if you lived in Germany in the 1940's. Executions of innocents were protected by law there as well. Some people are strong enough to stand against the law when it's wrong. Ask civil rights martyrs.

Apathy is a weak state of mind. You've convinced me to take my position with more conviction. I'm pleased with those that take action. They are doing what they can to stop one of the great evils of our time.

Personally I prefer education, but then there are those such as yourself that refuse to be educated and stand firm in their ignorance. When reason, discourse, patience and truth fail, all that is left is violence.

Please, watch the film. If you're moved then that's your choice, but you should at least know what you're defending.
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Upset? No. Just being thorough.

I read the Wikipedia article on the film. It was heavily criticized by medical professionals as inaccurate and misleading, and the guy who made it was forced to admit under oath that fetuses at 12 weeks old (like the one in the movie) have not yet developed the neural pathways required to feel pain. The fetus in the video therefore didn't feel any pain during the procedure.

"Maybe they are terrorists. The reason I don't feel comfortable referring to them as such is because they kill killers and the Muslim terrorists you compare them to kill people that don't kill people."

Who they kill is irrelevant. What makes them terrorists by definition are the methods and tactics they use: fear, intimidation, threats, murder, bombings, chemical attacks, etc

You can call an abortion an execution if you want, but I don't feel that is accurate, either.

"Abortion Doctors execute babies in an extremely painful fashion."

How is it painful when fetuses haven't even developed the ability to feel pain until later on in the pregnancy?

"You say you're on the side of the law. It's good to know who's side you would be on if you lived in Germany in the 1940's. Executions of innocents were protected by law there as well."

I never said that and you know it. I was referring specifically to the United States in 2018. That should have been clear from the context.

"Some people are strong enough to stand against the law when it's wrong."

I agree...when it's wrong.

"I'm pleased with those that take action."

Like I said, you're no different than ISIS sympathizers.

"They are doing what they can to stop one of the great evils of our time."

By committing evil themselves. Awesome.

"there are those such as yourself that refuse to be educated and stand firm in their ignorance."

I don't refuse to be educated. I refuse to be lied to. There's a difference.

"When reason, discourse, patience and truth fail, all that is left is violence."

Truth never fails. It can stand on its own.
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I've lost a lot of respect for you. I didn't realize you would fight so hard to be ignorant. I always watch and read the propaganda of the opposition. I'm strong minded enough to see through the BS and it helps me understand the minds of the people who support whatever subject it is. You're wrong in this. Not just your opinion, but the way you go about forming it.

I wonder why medical professionals would fight so hard to cover the truth up. Maybe because it's worth billions of dollars and there's thousands of specialists who would lose their profession?

Ugh, it's not worth talking with you. You only "research" things that agree with the opinions you've already formed. I thought you were better than this. Ignorance is the same no matter who it possess. I really thought better of you.
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Oh, and just so you know:
I was pro-choice up until about a year ago when I finally saw a baby getting aborted with my own eyes.

I was pro choice because I was ignorant. I was researching to argue with some right wing nuts spewing propaganda. Turns out I was the f**ked up one.
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How dare you call them illegal immigrants! They are asylum seekers you racist nazi xenophobic misogynistic pig!
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Still safer than Europe, but a secure border and tough screening would reduce foreign criminal activity more
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Probably most of you have never crossed the border. Perhaps also better for the rest of the world. Don't get a passport and stay home. Thank you.
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America had clearly defined borders, Then began the wholesale slaughter of Native Americans and Mexicans to steal MORE land, Made treaties they NEVER intended to keep and brought more death and suffering to natives and mexicans. Then? The Encore Polk created the imaginary MANIFEST DESTINY SLOGAN and started a war with Mexico to kill and steal the rest of it. Now you are triggered because Mexicans and others are peacefully coming across..BOO HOO HOO btw? Everyone who flooded into "America" prior to 1929ish came across our borders illegally..Walked right in..No questions asked...
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It was just a joke! Chill out!
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Uh oh, no jokes allowed in political memes.

This is argument country. We don't take kindly to you funny folks around here.
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No amusement
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Come to Equestria! :D
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Lol! ;)
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;) I'm glad you explained that your comment was just a joke :)
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These parents aren't crossing the border - they're heading to the points of entry and having their children taken away before they even get the chance to apply for refugee status. Again, you are tacitly approving a violation of the most basic human family rights in the name of what? Keeping Brown People out of the country despite the fact that America has always been a nation of immigrants?

America is a disgrace, and I sincerely hope to see Trump become the first President tried for crimes against Humanity, at the Hague.

That's still a hangin' charge over yonder.
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Basically, children are being forced to live a life parentless.
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Still beats being a prostitute or murderer as soon as they hit puberty. The ones that are coming here for purely economic reasons could have applied to enter the country legally and chose to cheat. Crime and punishment. The system is working, but extremely underfunded and understaffed.

Do you have a problem with an American citizen who broke the law being separated from their children to pay for their crimes as well? It's all sad, but it's the best our government is currently capable of.
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Hate to break it to you about the genetics and phrenology of your promiscous violence prone Mexicans, but, survey says:
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Actually it's the gangs that produce teenage murderers and prostitutes. The vast majority of kids that flee to the states because of gang violence get to stay. Our government is extremely supportive of those kids. It still takes time and man power to get to know their stories and process them. It's a good thing the system is as efficient as it is. Too bad the sjw's aren't becoming lawyers so they can help these kids and turn their year long stays into week long stays.

Anyone can be violent and considering that the border patrol get shot at almost Every Day you can bet the rate of violent people in detention centers is much higher than the general population.

As for promiscuity, you bet hispanics are. I'm Hispanic, I live in a Hispanic majority population. You could ask any Hispanic person what ethnicity they thought had the most infidelity and they're probably going to say Hispanics. There's a reason we're catching up to white people in terms of population.

White people pretending ethnic stereotypes aren't ever real... lol. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You get told to be upset. You didn't care a week ago. You don't know anything about the border situation. "Kids are being separated". Yeh it sucks, but that's the best way the government can deal with the problem.

Don't just whine. Give an alternative. I mean it. How would you go about the logistics?
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"Actually it's the gangs that produce teenage murderers and prostitutes." Why do you think kids are willing to join gangs in the first place? Do you think they're snatching perfectly healthy kids away from loving parents? ** No, that's what we're doing.**
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This statement has ruined the tiny credibility I was giving you. You're just a troll or extremely ignorant.

The gangs in Honduras and El Salvador literally walk up to houses on their turf, take note of who lives there, and when the children are old enough either recruit them or kill them.

The US takes in those kids without much of a fuss if they can get here.
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Can you tell your friends that because some are arguing that they're just coming here for free paper towels being shot out of a t-shirt cannon. I'm so glad you admitted that these parents are seeking asylum to find a better life for their children. It's too bad they've fallen into a trap set by the US dictator to take their children and hold them for ransom for a stupid wall.
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An Executive order keeping families together has just been announced. So much for leverage.

Even if Trump ends up using it as a bargaining chip, at least he's put it on the table. Clinton, Bush, and Obama never even considered it. The democrats don't care dude. If they did they'd have used the 16 years they had presidents in office to do something about it. Maybe Trump's not as bad as you think.
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He's worse, I'm sure. A bipartisan bill was presented in February. Trump tried to shut down the government over it because he wasn't getting his $25 billion for the wall. Yet he's still pointing fingers. Even Sarah Sanders admitted Trump wasn't giving in until he gets his wall funded. The Republicans have had both houses since 2015. What have they done besides put kids in concentration camps? I hope Trump is proud of himself. This will be his legacy. He will be always be remembered for this.
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Are you daft? He's fulfilling every campaign promise. He's signed the executive order to put families back together which has been the most generous act towards illegal immigrants in 4 administrations. What would it take for you to think he's not horrible? Jeez. You're a brick wall.
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I don't hate anyone, especially for their ethnicity. You assume too much about me. I know because I've spent my whole life immersed in Mexican/Hispanic culture.

You white liberals from the northern states who rarely even see Mexicans think you know something about the border. Lol. Just keep letting your emotions do the thinking.

You still keep dodging my question. Do you have a better alternative to the current system in place?
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You wing nonsense to suit your convenience. Irrelevent sob stories meant to appeal to emotions rather than facts meant to appeal to logic.

You don't know diddly about me, my background, where I live, what I believe regarding this issue or any other. Let's just say you'd be surprised, but then again your assumptions would blind you from that, so que sera, c'est la vie.

Keep on truckin that you-people Trumpite (yeah cuz homie ain't no carpetbagger, right?) redneck propaganda - my dear self-proclaimed ese. Deflection, denial, and disinformation display the tenets of your morality and the framework of your bot-thought process.

This aimless repitition is played out.
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Lol! Project much?

Deflection? Denial? Disinformation?

Answer my question.

Accept that the government has a good system in place. 4 administrations have been using it.

While what you said about being around violence is true, it didn't apply. At least, not in your favor. What I meant was those kids get a choice at puberty: Join the gang and be a killer if you're a boy or a prostitute if you're a girl or be neither and get murdered where you stand.
If these children fleeing from violence are more prone to be violent why should we let them in? Fortunately our government is sympathetic and overlooks that detail in favor of trying to help the emotionaly scarred kids.

Suk ma dik

Seriously though, troll. Let's hear your idea for a better system to help these kids. If not I understand. That was one of your more entertaining insult/fairwell/defeated goodbye's yet.
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Your stereotypical Boyz n th Hood narrating is so touchingly quaint.

Don't tell me to accept what only a cold hearted racist like yourself defends, that's stupid.

This is getting increasingly ridiculous, even for you.
Ciao, bella.
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Lol. If you don't accept it do something. FYI, b**ching and calling Trump and conservatives racists isn't doing something.

If you have a better idea for the way things are done, spill it. Ideas are contagious and it will make it to our leaders in time. If you want to help the immigrants then volunteer at a detention center or become an immigration attorney. The biggest problem is the lack of representation for those immigrants.
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No alternative needed. Let them in. Let them work and pay taxes. Immigrants pay more into the system than you might think. This is about ethnic cleansing. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it were white Canadians coming into the country? This is white supremacy at its worst and will go down in history as another dark time in our nation's war against people of color. You being a self-loathing Latino doesn't make any of it ok.
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Lol! Haha! Everything is race to you emotionally weak folks. Quit being manipulated with that crap.

Most kids that come alone are let into this country. It takes time and manpower to process them: Giving them social security numbers, making sure they aren't carrying some kind of plague, finding them a safe place to live(that's the big one), making sure they have the education to function in the US, making sure they aren't going to disappear, making sure they are going to make it.

Do you really think it's better to have homeless children walking around the streets? I've heard the stories of girls that get taken advantage of sexually because some guy tells them he'll take care of them and whe he's threw just leaves them on the street. Seriously, kids with no money, no shelter, no education just put on the street? That's way worse!

It's clear that a lot of people like you want to do the right thing, but you obviously have no clue how to go about it. The system works. It's just unable to handle the load it's been given.
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Against their will, without their parents' consent. If this is the best our government is capable of we definitely need a new government!
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Evidence? I'd I like to see that. It seems reasonable that could happen.

Our government is fine. If we didn't have a flood of people coming into our country uninvited there wouldn't be a problem. This is a crisis that has the power to destroy our country.
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It's called childhood trauma. It leads to a lot of deviant behavior. In fact, the jails are full of people who were traumatized as kids. I'm seriously beginning to think a lot of you who support taking children away from their parents don't have kids... and definitely don't remember being one.
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They're already living a deviant life. If they weren't they wouldn't be crossing a border illegally. It sucks, it's sad, but it's the best way the government can deal with it.

Be happy, thanks to this media distraction it looks like Trump is going to do something about it. Another great deed by our president that will go unappreciated.
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Kick trump out of office fails. Now let’s try to make him evil for separating criminals from there parents. When this fails itll be something else. Baaa baaa baaa baaa
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Separating criminals from their parents? Are you saying the children are the criminals and the parents are innocent?
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Just saying.
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Lulz :)
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Technically they're all criminals for breaking the law.

The government is really nice to people who are fleeing from violence, but rightfully hard on everyone who comes here illegally for a "better life". Those people are cheating the system and need to face the consequences. Being poor isn't an excuse to break the law to get ahead of people that are doing things legally.
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Little kids who are brought into this country illegally by their parents aren't criminals. Just like if a parent takes their little kid onto private property and trespasses. The kid didn't do it intentionally, they were just brought along by their parents.

A young child brought here illegally lacks mens rea. That should be clear.
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Very true. The parents committed the crime. Like any US citizen, when both parents are detained for a crime the children are put in the governments care.

The children aren't American citizens so they don't get put in American foster care. Instead they get put in the detention camps where they wait for their parents to be sent wherever it is they get sent to.
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I think that children don't have this power. I think it is the parents who have control and are the real problem.
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Yep. Who cares more about their kids: A family who, in order to avoid deportation from the country they want to live in, enters that country legally and does its best to obey the laws of the land and become part of the land? Or the parents who break the law willfully and then scream bloody murder when the government actually does its job?

Our government does not exist to protect the rights of foreigners. It exists to protect the rights of citizens of the USA. And children born in the US are only citizens if they are children of at least one legal citizen, same as in any other country. If my family went to Germany (legally), and my wife gave birth while in Germany, that child is not a German citizen. Any child is a citizen of the same country as its parents. Which means, if the parents aren't in the US legally and are apprehended, the children will suffer. Which sucks, but...if you're a parent, you can't think only about yourself, but about how your actions might affect your children. I love my son, and I'll never put him in a position where he could be taken away from me because I broke the law.

Those who come here illegally and either have "anchor babies" or use their children to try to guilt the US into accepting them are absolute scum, who are exploiting their children for their own ends.
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"Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)

Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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“...born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...”

Do some research. The original authors of the bill worded it as they did to address the issue of former slaves, who had hitherto been unable to become citizens. The original authors also intended for the amendment to not cover foreigners and their children. Illegal immigrants and their children are not protected by the 14th Amendment; to be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, one must legally be a citizen. If one is not a citizen, children born to them are not US citizens no matter where they are born. Nor are the children of US citizens automatically citizens of other countries if they’re born abroad (e.g. diplomats and overseas military personnel). In order for one’s children to be protected by the Constitution, one must be a legal citizen of the USA.
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Okay. So since the morons among us seem to not be aware of how the Constitution works:

The Supreme Court does not have the authority to determine whether a law is constitutional, once that law has been duly ratified by the governing authority. If it could, then that means the Supreme Court has the power to determine the law of the land. “But,” you might say, “they can’t introduce new legislation, so they’re not writing the laws.” Correct. And wrong, at the same time. No, they wouldn’t be writing laws. But the Legislature represents the will of the People in its most direct sense. The Executive branch enacts and enforces laws, the Judicial branch renders opinions regarding disputes over the laws, but only the Legislative branch has the ability to ratify and repeal laws. Even should the President or a Governor choose to veto a bill, if both houses of Congress vote with sufficient majority, the veto may be overruled and the bill will pass into law. Just as a reminder of where the real power in government was intended to lie.

“Judicial Review”, where a court may strike down a law by determining it to be “unconstitutional”, is not found anywhere within the text of the Constitution. The Judicial branch gave itself the ability to do that, in 1803’s Marbury v. Madison. ; Judicial Review was never listed among the intended powers of the court system. Did the court have the ability to do that? The court said it did...but Congress never did. And Congress is the body that may amend the Constitution – that decides what the Constitution says. Congress alone may write bills and pass them into law.

The court’s decision was one they never had the authority to make; if it was, then the court may give itself more powers as it chooses. Congress never said the Supreme Court (and any lower court, by default) has any authority to determine a law to be unconstitutional. So legally, they don’t. Until Congress passes an act which explicitly states the Supreme Court may determine Constitutionality of a law.
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Actually, I did my research. Might try it once in a while. Could learn a thing or two.
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Got two liberals pissed off about something I said. Must've done something right.
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I’d respond, but I don’t believe I’ll stoop to your level. Hope you didn’t go to college - if you did, it was a waste of money.
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Your lack of reading comprehension skillzzz indicate you didn't make it past kindergarten.
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This maybe so. However, traumatising the children is morally wrong and unnecessary.
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Alternative?
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It's not even actual opinion, but deliberate lying.
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Whatever you need to tell yourself to skirt away from being an immoral person. Only American have rights in America? Where?The U.S Government began violating the constitution as the ink was drying. For arrogance that you think you could never break the law? you break laws everyday. Yes coming illegally is a crime. But there is NO F**KING LAW that dictates Trump and Sessions MUST separate migrant families. P.S No one is taking your job and the odds you will be victimized by an illegal alien are no different than being robbed killed etc by an American..
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I think is very immoral and cruel to have kids you can't provide for and expect others to take care of them. Don't you think?
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Problem is you don't think.
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I think you are the one who is not thinking here... I will copy and paste my previous message so that you can start thinking. I doubt it will change your mind, but here it goes. "Illegal imigration is not the answer, it never is. You want to really help them then you will get off your lazy ass and go to their country and help them rebuild. So that their country can prosper and they can have good paying jobs, live a dignified life, don't have to break the law and leave their country. Prove to me that you care and go to their countries and help them build good living conditions like I have. I dare you. If you take workable people from their country you are making that country poorer, for what? So that your country can get richer exploiting those illegal immigrants for cheap labor?" Check.
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Here's another c/p of a previous comment of yours:

"Fauscovai
Wait, so the problems, by that scenario you are giving, are not with United States! They are with those people and their countries! Lets review the problems and keep the problems in their country. Why are you having children if you are so poor that you can't sustain them, that seems very irresponsible and cruel? That is a major problem. Another problem is why don't the people of that country gather together to start a civil war to overthrow their corrupted government rather than fleeing to another country? Another major problem. Now if you put yourself in United States middle class educated people's shoes: why should we take care of the kids of irresponsible criminals? Why should we bring them in so that they plunder our limited resources (yes they are limited, think about what that means) so that they can turn our country into the shithole they came from? Proposed solution: block all illegal immigration, help them at their country so that their country can prosper, they can have a dignified life, no need to break the law and break another nations border, stay with their family and enjoy their own country's riches.

Guilt tripping people is bad. If you look at history, we are at a point where we have less human deaths, including children, than any other time. Yes people will die, in fact, can you name me one person that will not have to face death? There are ways to do things, but there is also a right way to do them."

THAT proves to me how much you care, faker.
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All you did was paste and copy my text, then you called me a faker, yet you did not provided a sustaining argument. I'm starting to believe that meme image you keep using are actually your self portraits. Rofl.
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Oh so you donate no money to organizations and pretend everything is going to be fine. I see how it is, you do not want to get out of your comfort zone to help others, you just expect that you giving your money to some organization will fix everything. Lol, oh no it is not closed. See it is right here "There is NO law that demands that families be separated" yes you break the law YOU WILL BE separated from your family and imprisoned. Honestly I think Trump is being generous for keeping the kids here, if it was me deport them all back to their shithole, no anchor babies either, at the age of 18 that kid can come back. Fine, let's not make it about me then. You are in no position to judge any if they are Christian or not, that is out of context. I bet you are a non believer who thinks to be a Christian the person is without sin or free will? But yet you, who do not want to get off your lazy ass, from your comfort zone, is judging others BRILLIANT! Yeah, keep giving your pennies to those organizations that take most of the money if that makes you feel better and entitled. Now, we can say the case is closed."

Rolf rolf, faker.
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I still do not see your point. Again all you are doing is posting my quotes and calling me a faker without bringing any valid argument. You are retarded and not capable of bringing a smart argument. You are not worth my time.
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You still have not proven how I am a faker...
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What a joker you are. Here is another reality you are not willing to admit.
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I'll call my therapist in the morning.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAWSolP2mc
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What do you have to say about that video I sent you? May want to talk to your therapist about it also, may have some drugs to aid you with your brain washed mind.
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And that happens EVERY F**KING DAY in America by Americans. want to TOSS them in the ocean?? I'll end this by saying anyone who claims to be a christian and supports this bs? you are NO christian..
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You don't understand that sometimes to be kind, sterness is required. It may seem harsh but in many ways it's safer. **pe happens in the detention centers. Just because someone has children doesn't mean they aren't dangerous to other children. By separating children from adults, males from females, sexual assault becomes extremely infrequent, although it still happens. Having families together also leads to cheating spouses. The close quarters and high stress can lead the adults to find ways to cope with the stress (Mexicans and Central Americans can be Very promiscuous). A scorned spouse can easily lead to violence in the presence of children. It happens everywhere and you can bet it's going to be worse in that kind of environment.

Housing, feeding, and providing for the thousands of illegal immigrants is also a logistical nightmare. They are flooding in much faster than they can be processed. By separating the immigrants in the fashion I previously stated the system can more effectively process them by having specialized social workers. For example, I know a lawyer who specifically worked with female child immigrants and helped them to be processed.

The real problem is the immigrants lack of representation. Every single one goes before a judge, often a few times, and has to present their case. If they have good representation they usually get something along the lines of what they want (getting to stay in the US for example).

If you really care about the immigration problem then you need to go to school and become an immigration attorney. Calling people evil doesn't do anything but get you riled up to make bad emotion based decisions which is exactly what the Democrats want and expect from their voters. It certainly doesn't help the immigrants.

Follow your heart to know the right thing, use your head to make it right.
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And Latins can be promiscuous as you 'heard' happens in Tijuana brothels in your wayward youth.
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Be honest you do not give shit about them, you never did, all you care about is your anti Trump political agenda and taking advantage of the situation. Illegal imigration is not the answer, it never is. You want to really help them then you will get off your lazy ass and go to their country and help them rebuild. So that their country can prosper and they can have good paying jobs, live a dignified life, don't have to break the law and leave their country. Prove to me that you care and go to their countries and help them build good living conditions like I have. I dare you. If you take workable people from their country you are making that country poorer, for what? So that your country can get richer exploiting those illegal immigrants for cheap labor? Also you are in no position to judge if I am a Christian or not, that is out of context.
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Typical deflections..I never claimed YOU are anything. I stated ANYONE who says they are a christian and support this are not christion nice failed attempt to make it all about you. As for me going anywhere to help?? I donate cash but Thats their Governments job not mine MY personal beef in this whole thing rests on one particular issue. There is NO law that demands that families be separated. Detain them as a family unit then send them back or allow them to stay..case closed..
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Oh so you donate no money to organizations and pretend everything is going to be fine. I see how it is, you do not want to get out of your comfort zone to help others, you just expect that you giving your money to some organization will fix everything. Lol, oh no it is not closed. See it is right here "There is NO law that demands that families be separated" yes you break the law YOU WILL BE separated from your family and imprisoned. Honestly I think Trump is being generous for keeping the kids here, if it was me deport them all back to their shithole, no anchor babies either, at the age of 18 that kid can come back. Fine, let's not make it about me then. You are in no position to judge any if they are Christian or not, that is out of context. I bet you are a non believer who thinks to be a Christian the person is without sin or free will? But yet you, who do not want to get off your lazy ass, from your comfort zone, is judging others BRILLIANT! Yeah, keep giving your pennies to those organizations that take most of the money if that makes you feel better and entitled. Now, we can say the case is closed.
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Hypocritical faker.
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Alternative?
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This is heartbreaking. Imagine that your parents have had to send you walking across deserts with complete strangers, because you had a better chance of survival with that adult than with your parents. Imagine that you don't know where you are, don't know where your parents are, and people are forcing you to sleep under a thin foil blanket on top of mats. You don't know why they are doing this to you and your brothers, because they are speaking a different language. You feel like an animal in a cage. They are playing movies for you, to keep you "entertained" but you don't know what the characters are saying. This is child abuse! We don't even know where the little girls are going. You are supporting child abuse in this meme.
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So much ignorance. Alternative to the current system?
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That's not ignorance (tho the first part refers more to the 2014 situ), that's truth - down to the foil blankets.
That it doesn't suit your propaganda matters not.
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You're right, a lot is true. However, It's not child abuse. They're doing everything they can to help them.

Once they get to their real detention centers they get real blankets. Those are the buffer zones where people get organized and transferred. They aren't equipped for long term stays.
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Not for nothing, but that reply should be for BadEdits. Not that I want to get in constant tussles, but given what I do, it comes with the territory, and I can't complain.

But you were rather dismissive of that memer's comment, and while arguably steeped in emotion, there was truth in there, not just mere opinion without foundation.

As for alternatives, the only one I would like is that the kids not be separated from their parents. Other than that, sad as their situation is back home for them, it is their home, and thus theirs to fix. Crap sucks with M13 and druglords there, but they suck here too, and it is them that they come from and hide amongst, and no one wants them around. They've been in LI and NJ lately, and they're far sicker than the traditional mobsters gangs we've had.
Hiring laws aren't enforced, people being utilized & exploited for cheap labor. But people have to get a hint and realize that flooding here - with kids no less - is not what it's cut out to be.
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Bam. There you go. Executive order.
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Spot on.

It would be nice if the families could stay together. Fortunately it looks as though there is going to be some form of action taken towards that end.
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Thing is between the kids sent here minus parents in 2014 and now this, a new angle to tug at heartstrings has been found. This won't be the last time some incident of this or that sort happens, and worst of all it is the kids who pay the price.

Ironically such efforts will ultimately lead to more drastic measures to curtail border crossings, because an inundation of families with crying children in tow will test tolerance eventually as the means to deal with them gets stretched beyond the capacity to do so.
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Wow! This comment shocked me. Such a good jumping off point where 2 hard fighting opposing sides can start with some common ground. I've grown so used to your hyperbole and insults that almost skipped this. Anyway I'm glad I saw it, it somewhat reaffirms my theory that we all have at least some common ground.
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When thoughts not my own were no longer subscribed to me, playtime was over and I had no option but to state MY actual views.

I ain't got time for silly sides, most people are despicable.
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By taking a position you have taken a side. It doesn't have to be in lockstep with any particular party.
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Stating reality is not taking a cookie cutter position from a cognitive dissonance addled hypocrisy churning phony side stoking unimaginative lemmings who gleefully voulunteer as confetti schrapnel just so they can wear a cute plastic pin on their polyester lapel.

Horseshoe theory - The A & B 'you people' both are on the same side.
I just like poking them in the eye for the larfs.
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Could you be an even more stereotypical liberal? Seriously, the irony is just too much.
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I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper!...... I fart in your general direction! . Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
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The irony is you're using Christ to evoke an emotional response and the dems are using the immigrants. You're both liberal turds using the same black magic.

You use Jesus in a lot of memes to get your point across and it's not being used as mockery.

You're using his image as a tool and it makes you a piece of shit. Find some other way to manipulate people's emotions, yeh?
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Nope. You're ignorant to the immigrant situation. I visit the city that the news story was about on a weekly basis. I know immigration attorneys. I live around it. I don't need the news to "inform" me.

I get the news you don't, like when border patrol agents get shot at or killed while out on patrol. NBC doesn't report that but the local news does. Every week or two there's an incident. Not every immigrant is an angel.

Detention centers are there to keep everyone involved safe. Agents, women, children, social workers, everyone. It's not a perfect system but it works. The only problem is the lack of attorneys and the rate at which the immigrants are coming in.

You're a real jerk for using Jesus to push your liberal crap. Jesus would volunteer to help make the immigrants time on the detention centers more comfortable. He'd do what he could to help but he wouldn't go around pointing fingers and calling people evil.

Seriously, find a better way to do your liberal warrior thing. What you're doing is super scummy.
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Na, you're worse. Now you're pointing a finger at Trump instead of owning being a jerk. Trump is doing a lot more good for Americans and the world than you probably do for your own neighbors.
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You're right, NK's agreement to denuclearize was a catastrophe. (Sarcasm)

That's worth more good deeds than you've done in your whole life.
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No concern for the pain of the kids, but offended in defense of a Jew arrrested, detained, tortured, sentenced, and executed by Roman authorities two millenia ago? Oh, the I-R-O-N-Y

On behalf of my Lord & Savior, no worries, he's God, and he's been through worse, laonsite is thusly forgiven providing he gives his 10 Hail Marys and puts an extra fiver in the basket come Sunday.
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I haven't spoken to any. I've spoken to a tearful lawyer telling me about specific kids who grew up in ganglands, though. Those kids go through hell to get here. Most of the kids fleeing from gangs come alone and separated from their parents long before they ever got to the border. I have a lot of sympathy and even more respect for those kids.

Unlike you, I know that the system is there to help them. I know the individuals that give their hearts and time to make sure the good ones get to stay in the states. When you bash the system you're bashing their hard work and sacrifices. It sucks that families have to be separated, but it's the best our government can do to make their time in the detention centers as short and painless as possible. There's a reason the way it's done has persisted through 4 presidential administrations.

Instead of criticism, suggest a logistical and logical alternative to the current system. Where do we put them? How do we organize them? How do we pay for everything?
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Didn't you just say above that YOU'RE a Hispanic with firsthand knowledge of those ganglands because you live there?

'I often travel to other towns to hang out with my numerous immigration lawyer pals who know better than the you people do about the cages, so bleugh!'

I'm done with this false anecdote citing appeal to (non)authority alt right scripted reactionary bullshit.

Adiyose, pardner.
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I don't live in Honduras or El Salvador. Those are the gang lands. I live by the border. The news went an interviewed the chief border patrol guy from a city I visit on a weekly basis.

Your heart's in the right place but your brain isn't. Seriously, try and come up with a better way to handle the illegal immigrants than what's already being done.
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I'm not reading your drivel anymore, so skip the tales.

Parting note, I live in an area with a far greater number, variety, and density of Latins than you've seen in your entire life, as well as everyone from everwhere else down to the largest Cambodian population outside of Cambodia (never seen a Melanesian tho, maybe one day) *waits for you to insert your time in Mexico City*
Dang, I've had gone to HS and college and worked as well as lived on a street where there's more Hispanics walking at any given moment during the day than you've seen in your entire life. That's a FACT.

Te veo, primo.
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Well, what culpability goes towards the children? They are the ones who ultimately suffer the trauma of being separated from their parents.
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Guess we have to make more space in our prison system to make room for the kids if the detainees...
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Saw a meme the other day..Thief steals 150 bucks from you at gun point gets 10 years, The Government takes 40% by threat of force and builds more prisons..lol
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How very tea party of you
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Was never in the tea party. Independent now there is no left right. Only elites bickering the best way to enslave.
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The bickering is all a show! Mere theatre to give us the illusion of choice and democracy. We are ALL being taken for a ride here!
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And FOX, CNN sycophants just don't get it..FOX PEOPLE? They believe things like because Obama was a shitty president that some how makes Trump a good guy..lolol and left wingers? they act on emotions mostly..not real world realities..
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Our own criminals get taken away from their parents but nobody bats an eye; I guess when Trump gets blamed for something the acceptable becomes unacceptable, though.
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kids*
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Lol, oh no, I was also referencing ALL jailed criminals regardless of their citizenship status. Lol. I mean, think about those criminals children! Where is it going to staph?! Rofl.
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i.imgflip.com/2dg0cx.jpg (click to show)
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yas
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I think I might have started a war. If you read my comment, please reply in an intelligent way, all of you. Not just conservatives. All. Of. You.
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Facts
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Heads they win, tails you lose!
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Awesome - thank you! :-)
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Aww, sheeet, did I just get on your hit list, Culu?
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