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At least Starbucks is trying to make it right

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My neighborhood Starbucks. Hehe

Spread the photo, it will be fun to get Starbucks into more trouble.

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BE QUIET!!!

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Thank you kind sir

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Poor guy. I bet he's just imagining sticking that megaphone up that guys ass but is also aware he needs to pay rent for the week.

Lol. Right

Why are they pestering that guy? Wouldn't give them extra ketchup packets?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/18/starbucks-incident-is-a-reminder-that-liberal-companies-with-woke-leaders-also-have-racism-issues/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5d57a4540820

This pic is from demonstrators about that?

I don't get it, they weren't buying anything, told to leave, and loitered. Maybe some folks get treated differently in that situ based on skin tone, but bottom line, the law is the law, and store policy is store policy. Don't do bad things, and you won't get caught.

Exactly.

Normally I would agree with you but this is different, Starbucks has a policy of allowing people to come in, sit use the wifi. What I haven't heard was were they being disruptive to staff or other customers, in which case the manager would have been well within her bounds. Its not like the press would hold back on information that didn't meet its narrative. coughcoughfergusoncoughcough.

The bottom line is we don't know the whole story. We never know the whole story. All we hear is, "these guys were innocent black men who were arrested for sitting quietly at a table, waiting for their friend." It's the same bullshit we hear all the time these days when it comes to black people being arrested, shot at, or killed by cops. "They weren't doing anything wrong, so racism...."

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing this kind of crap. White privilege is only a thing because black people won't take responsibility for their own mistakes. Everything is the white man's fault because of "white privilege." I'm white and I want some of this white privilege I keep hearing about.

Lol. X D

If Americans don't like getting treated like Jews, they should have gotten Christian founders.

Stuka my dick, you know i'm right.

You never know any more. The press has done a brilliant job the last 10 years of teaching me to trust nothing.

From all accounts - theirs, staff, police, witnessses, video - they were sitting quietly.

The issue isn't getting arrested or shot in general but that such was done BECAUSE of race. Basic, "Shoot at color first, ask the corpse questions later"

The meme concerns reaction to an incident where racism was alleged.
Bringing 'white priviledge' into it automatically raises the question why would you brinng up the issue in the first place, and why should it bother you if you have no such priviledge nor guilt regarding such.

I'm 'white' (allbeit on the olive toned side), yet that aspect is not an issue to me. I've been on both (positive and negative) ends of that gig due to appearance and ethnicity. To me it's just a reality that won't go away because of denial. I haven't forgotten what my mother's ancestors (pops was a recent import) have been guilty of and have been victimized by. I choose to learn from that history and try not repeat such mistakes.

I'm not saying they were in the wrong and I'm not saying they were in the right. I'm saying these stories of supposed racism and hatred toward people of color and "here's video proof of it" knee-jerk reactions are getting old. We truly don't know the whole story and therefore we're reacting based on a short video clip posted online.

Yes, they are getting old. THAT'S the problem. It's 2018. People don't like being called racist? Then maybe they should STOP acting racist.

That's how you are interpreting it. Not what I'm saying at all.

There's also the problem that these occur after several incidences with narratives that were proven false (i.e. "gentle giant" and then proof of a strong arm robbery) that when they occurred, most people who weren't pushing innocent blacks vs evil cop narratives were no longer paying attention.
Also there are incidents of police on white violence/shootings, but those don't get the press coverage.

Then there was one black guy who was shot because he did, properly, inform the officer when asked that he had a concealed carry permit, so yes there was a gun in his vehicle. He wasn't making a move for it or a threat, just a proper disclosure. The media pretty much buried that one because they are anti 2nd amendment. We can't have people enraged when someone is shot for exercising thier 2nd amendment rights.

There definitely are instances i sure.
But the Constant protesting and rioting even when the blacks are in the wrong makes instances like yours seem less polarizing.
Nowadays theres si much chimping out over everything it's just not important to us anymore.

Lol. It's not veryPC, but these riots and protests do resemble.

So I'm agreeing with you.
It's just that everytime a gangbanger get justifiably shot it's the exact same reaction.
From the protesters, media and community.
A black person got killed, better burn down black owned businesses and my neighborhood!

That happens to white people too, but you never hear about it because it doesn't fit the narrative. Some people simply have no business wearing a badge.

It would be a better idea if people could assume that race is coincidental until actual evidence is presented that it isn't. I suspect we'd find that race IS coincidental 95% of the time.

I am also very disconcerted that the severity of a crime and it's commensurate punishment is considered different, depending of what ethnic or social class the victim belongs to. That's not a road we should be going down.

This is the train of thought people end up boarding when it's pointed out that the ratio of black to white convicts are flip-flopped when compared to the ratio of the citizenry as a whole.

A more objective conclusion would be that the reason the ratio of blacks to whites in prison is so skewed, is because they commit a greater ratio of the crime. Perhaps it would be more productive to analyze and determine why THAT is true, and suggest proactive solutions to THAT problem. But I digress...

This skewed ratio of convicts leads to the drawing of an erroneous conclusion that blacks are unfairly prosecuted (or persecuted) by the justice system, which in turn brings on righteous indignation against law enforcement which further evolves into violent resistance. This has the ironic effect of skewing the ratio even further. Is it possible that police "brutality" statistically occurs more with black suspects (assuming it does), might be because they tend to be more likely to resist authority, because they've been told all their lives that law enforcement is unfair to them? Worth examination, anyway...

People are always looking for cookie cutter solutions to everything, and most of these problems have multi-tiered and multi-layered causes that go far deeper than people realize. There's not one easy answer. But historically speaking, playing the race card at every opportunity whether is applies or not, hasn't helped the situation, it's only served to alienate people, erode away sympathy, and give up the high ground.

I agree that most of the issues in minority communities have their root causes in the actions of rich white people, but I suspect they aren't the same actions, or the same rich white people, that most entertainment-educated Americans think they are.

Leftist policies have driven fathers out of homes, made excuse after excuse for delinquent behavior, incentivized women to produce larger families that they are capable of providing for, forcing children into an indifferent education system that doesn't teach practical or useful knowledge, and inadvertently creating a clan-based culture that feeds on fear and lawlessness. But all of this is because... racism. Mhmm. Sure.

Leftists have had generations to create this dumpster fire, and no conservative living or dead is going to fix it in a mere decade. But as long as people think throwing blame around is going to fix anything, let's at least make an effort to throw it where it belongs.

"...someone fires a black employee just because they're black, but says they're being fired because they're late for work..."

Don't be late for work? I don't know what to tell you, other than "presumption of innocence". In other words, if you can't prove it objectively then it is irrelevant.

"...never made excuses for violence, nor did I validate it. I simply explained why I think some people..."

And you don't see how that is the same thing? I remember a psychological evaluation I had to take for a job a long time ago. One of the questions was; "Do you think people steal because they are hungry?" I didn't know how to answer the question, because none of the options read; "It doesn't matter why." Reasons are excuses, and excuses are validation.

"...Mississippi is a deep red state, and it ranks among the lowest in the nation..."

It's also not urban, it's rural. Rural areas always test lower than urban areas, all other things being equal. Apples v Oranges.

"...but they also have well-off areas as well..."

And those areas are typically dominated by whites. And yet somehow it's always the right that's racist.

" sounds absurdly hyperbolic. I'm trying to find middle ground on which to agree with you, but when you paint "all" of the left with this overly broad brush..."

I can't help what it "sounds" like. You're looking for "middle-ground" because I guess... feelings? I'm looking at facts because... solutions. You're also getting defensive because you think I'm attacking Democrats. I'm not. This isn't a red v blue thing. One of the big weapons of leftists is the hijacking of words and their meanings, don't let them succeed. The truth is that liberalism, I mean classic liberalism, has far more in common with conservatism than it does with leftism. The left has hijacked your political party and they've commandeered your lexicon. Stop worrying about how things 'sound', and focus on facts. The truth is often ugly and unpleasant to look at.

"...agree with that statement..."

Maybe you're a conservative and you just don't realize it. :D

"...what happens to people who need assistance..."

The same thing that happened before FDR. Communities, churches, private charities.

It's fine to use the government as a safety net, the problem is keeping that safety net from becoming a hammock, or worse a Rete Retiarius (look it up). This is what you get when feelings supersede reason, and intentions are valued above results, which are hallmarks of leftism.

"...don't agree that black people being unfairly treated by the justice system is an erroneous..."

I have yet to be shown that there is any validity to this assertion. I mean using actual facts, not 'feelings'.

"...definitely possible. And it's also possible that some..."

You basically said the same thing I did, just with different words. I don't care how "mistreated" you've been, violence makes things worse not better. Doctor King understood this, Malcolm did not. You make excuses for violence and lawlessness, then you're justifying and validating it. With that justification, you are helping to perpetuate the "vicious cycle of anger and mistrust between law enforcement and minority communities".

"...some liberal policies have hurt families, but I would call it extremely inaccurate to place the blame solely..."

I said "leftist", not "liberal". Surprisingly big difference, I recently learned.

I appreciate your attempt to seem fair by trying to spread responsibility around, but it's disingenuous. If anything it's "extremely" accurate, with facts and statistics to back it up. I pointed out specific examples of the policies and their long term effects on poverty-stricken urban areas that have been governed exclusively by leftists for 50+ years (Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, just to name a few).

You think that's wrong? Fine, show me. Point out to me the urban centers of poverty consistently governed by conservatives for 50 years, and the negative effects of conservative policies and values on minority communities. Sorry, it's a trick question. There is no such place, it doesn't exist.

It's all on the left and their "enlightened and intellectual" solutions that have never solved a single issue, problem, or crisis, for impoverished minorities, and have instead demonstrably made things an order of magnitude worse for these people they claim to be trying to help.

I'd be willing to bet real money that if a culture of individualism, responsibility, ownership, merit-based advancement, practical and vocational education, and free-market economics were encouraged in one of these areas, you'd see measurable improvement within a couple of generations.

But the policy IS for patrons.

I'm not going to pretend enforcent of it hasn't been lax nor hasn't had its biased moments (I've had more than my fair share of being followed by staff in stores and ID'd at my college campus AFTER I was already in (one guard did so in the bathroom once!) while friends lighter toned and less Punky looking than me entered without being asked, etc). But they were asked to leave and refused, by both staff and police. From the looks of the place, it wasn't exactly empty, and reading up on this I saw that in more urban (and thus crowded) locales, customers might be asked to leave if they remain without buying for long.

Getting arrested seems extreme, but they were asked to leave and refused. That itself was a disruption. Also bear in mind, nothing has been said of them getting treated in any rough or disrespectful manner either.

All good info, and worthy of consideration when looking at the incident. I'm uually the last to jump on any of these bandwagons if at all.

It's not so much that I actually disagree with your view, just trying to look at what has been presented as facts so far in this case.
Eyebrow raising, yes, but in accordance to what was said to have happened, what other recourse could there finally be?

The free wifi is for paying customers...

I'm white. I've been asked to leave a Starbucks because I wasn't buying anything (more than once), so sometimes I leave and it doesn't make the news, and other times I just buy a coffee so I can stay.

IV *cough* Vie.

LOL

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