Unhelpful High School Teacher

Unhelpful High School Teacher Meme | GUN PROBLEM NOT IN MY SCHOOL | image tagged in memes,unhelpful high school teacher | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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THE ONLY GUN MEME THAT HASN'T BROKE OUT INTO A POLITICAL ARGUMENT JUST WAIT FOR LAONSITE ARGH! | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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What if I told you that... I'm always happy to see an laonsite post. | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
Itz Hard to find GOOD speakers from left of the Reich-wing.

If you'd care to hear some others(in a "safe" non confrontational space), try Jimmy Dore (clearly not Russian) or Lee Camp, a cousin of General Lee - but found on a foreign agents' platform - YouTube (RT as Well).
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SEE, THEY ARE TAKING INITIATIVE. LET'S GO BLOW THEIR BRAINS OUT | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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He's giving us trolls a bad name!
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The shooters only hope would be to get one to chase them down some stairs.
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MANDATORY  CHEESEBALL  MACHINE  GUNS IN  ALL  THE  CAFETERIAS | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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dude that'd be so awesome! one of my best teachers (geometry) was former marine, lol. You could tell also.
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FYI, Marine is a proper noun and should be capitalized. Also FYI, only a Marine would ever correct somebody on that. ;-)
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Muahahaha! :D Marine!
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He ranked up to E-5(SGT) I am so proud of my dad :)
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Dude, that's freaking awesome. Massive props to both of you.
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We've had this "Gun crap" since 1776. Guns are not the problem, it's the idiots that think killing people is what they should do. Again, guns are not the problem, society has become stupid.
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We have allowed your anti-gun crap for much longer than that.
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BTW, I live in NY where AR's are already illegal and need to be registered. People still own them. Once again, our rights come from God. Good luck with that. Don't come crying to me when you're waiting in food lines or your female family members are being **ped by Muslims like they are in Europe and the government has to implement austerity measures because you want the government to be your nanny but don[t want to pay the bill. .
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Have you ever been, or even heard of Chicago? The most crime ridden city with the toughest gun laws? Proof right there that criminals don't give a crap for gun laws.
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This is what they should be teaching teachers
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Made my freaking day!
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And cue the troll lord.
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Seriously nice.
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For when a kid or a group of kids wants to disarm their teacher @@
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I'm going to keep using this in comments b/c one of the mods is a Hillary supporter and refuse to accept my meme submissions with Hillary in it.
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Perhaps there are mods of several stripes... Cause I've felt the sting of censorship - cutting in other directions.

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Just a few. So don't feel too bad.

It might be the actual perception of whatz Inflamatory or not.

They say keep it fun...
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That featured.
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I honestly don't know. But most of my Hillary ones don't go through, especially ones where I suggest Hillary and fascism. hahaha
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Well... I get it if you saying it from the BernieBro position. To THEM - she might as well be a Republican (still, and officially - like in the 60's and early 70's), or worse.

But if coming from the Trump-side of things... Well maybe... But less so than one making the critique.

These things are always a judgement call. Like the strikezone in baseball. Your eyes, and the zone, should remain true - if the umpire is to be respected.
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Direct link to meme? for upvotes on it...?
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Actually I look through my memes, I do have a lot of Hillary ones that are featured. I just don't know why these are not:

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I mean, if it is just to keep it fun, I got a lot more boring memes that were featured. hahaha
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That's worth an upvote solely on your explanation.
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I'll gladly upvote this where ever I see it.
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Automatic weapons are exceedingly hard to get legally. Just saying.
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And there were no automatic weapons there either. All semi automatic weapons.
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You know very well they were semi-automatic weapons turned automatic with bump stocks. Now try to respond with something as equally pretentious to your last one about how my gun lingo isn't up to redneck NRA standards...
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It does not change the functionality of the weapon.1 trigger pull equals 1 round fired, the functionality does not change due to an added external addition. Those results can be duplicated with training and a finger. As for the lingo, refer to the legislation for the terminology, like I did. So if you can move past the name calling we can get back to a civil discussion.
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No, being a school marshal is an ancillary duty, and they are not a public servant employed to specifically respond to those types of incidents like law enforcement. Oh, and it wasn't an "automatic assault rifle" (which is a redundant statement anyway) it was a semi automatic rifle.
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Most school security are public employees whose primary functions are to act as a deterrent, to check people going in (when they're by the front door), to monitor the halls and tell kids to get to class, and to escort unruly students to the office. They're basically mall cops or run of the mill security guards that average $12-16/hr.
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Where are your "facts" coming from? Every public School I have been in (in the US) in the past 10 years had a police officer, deputy, constable, or some other Law Enforcement Officer there.
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I'm a teacher and I've also worked as a substitute in countless K-12 schools in two states. I've only seen actual police officers (not school police and not school security) at *some* of the high schools. And even then there were only one or two who spent a lot of their time stationed in one location: at the front or in an office somewhere in the interior of the school. High schools can have 900-3000 kids. And those guys are still not carrying anything bigger than a handgun.
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They do have their patrol rifle and shotgun in their patrol car to retrieve if needed and time permitting. But time does not permit in that instance. They have to address the problem with what they have at hand. Such as what the APD officer did with his pistol while holding the reins of 2 horses. Their job is to go to where there is chaos and return it to order. If they are unwilling or incapable of doing that, they should be in a different line of work. Maybe different states, maybe different school districts, but I have yet to have seen a High School without a Sworn Law Enforcement Officer there during normal school hours.
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I forgot... how far a pistol shot was that?
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312 feet, roughly 100 yards, or 1 football field.
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Great so they should run out to their car first instead of toward to gunfire... Not to mention, the city police I've seen don't stay at the school all day. They usually leave later on in the morning or early afternoon.
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Because if he is in his car when the trouble hits, he has it on hand and deploy the usage of the rifle. And as far as taking on the responsibility to protect others, I have taken an oath on doing exactly that three times, and none if those oaths came with an expiration date. How many times have you done that? And yes, I have been hugged by numerous children while armed. And the the schools choices are just that, the schools choice to do what they want. Leave the kids unprotected, their choice, have physical protection present, their choice. Your sort of mentality manifests from being under the umbrella of protection of people willing to do bad things to be people, that your view of the world has been diluted to the point that all people are good and there are only things that cause the bad. Find a police department and go for a ride along and have a frank and honest discussion with the police officer you spend those hours with. It may broaden your perspective a little.
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Why don't you teach for a year and broaden your perspective. There are plenty of ex military teachers who are against bringing a gun into the classroom.

You also haven't explained why the DOJ wants bases to be gun free zones. Let's talk more about that and the rate of suicides, domestic violence and PTSD among its members. How about you? How many tours of active duty have you done? How many wars have you fought? What's your mental state these days, Slim?
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You clearly are not wanting to discuss things since you are not read in what I am writing...
"....  and time permitting. But time does not permit in that instance. They have to address the problem with what they have at hand."
And who your school district hires to stay there all day is up to, and the financial burden of, your school district. YOU need to demand better protection for YOU from YOUR school district. Because you AR obviously not going to take on that responsibility for protecting yourself or others.
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You said time permitting but time does not permit in that instance--- so why bring up the rifle in the car at all? By your own admission it's a moot point.

I protect my kids all day long, mostly from eachother or themselves. If you knew anything about being a teacher, you would understand how ridiculous it is to have a teacher wear a gun. There are times I literally get mobbed by kids who are happy to see me. Have you ever gotten a group hug by 12 people at once? While wearing a gun? Think about that for a moment...

And of course it's typical that you would want to add additional financial burdens to school districts and personnel then say we need to figure out how to pay for it. Here's an idea: raise the sales tax on all guns, ammo and NRA memberships....
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You can't know anything for sure over the Internet, unless you'd like to meet and discuss this over a cup of coffee? However, I would be armed. So me answering your question would just be another "how can I know for sure" moment. But if you are actually a teacher (since I can't know for sure), talk to one of your history teaching counterparts and ask them which wars were fought close enough together that someone alive today would have been part of. That might narrow it down for you.
If the SHTF and I was there, I would be doing something, even if for some reason I do not have a firearm, I do always have an edged weapon, even without that, there is an infinite number of improvised weapons in any environment.
And you are correct, there was a Deputy there from almost the start and completely failed at his job that he took an oath to be able to do that job. In my book that is grounds for criminal charges, and in Texas there probably would be, but every state and department is different.
And I never said you wouldn't be able to protect them, there are many ways that too can be done. I just think everyone should have the right to be a protector (of themselves, others, or both, with lethal intervention if they choose) without regard to where they may be at the time, either at work or elsewhere.
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If i heard right, there was 3 or 4 deputies. More than enough to form a wedge, and clear the hall ways. Heck, you and I, just like old times, could have pushed through just THE 2 of us, and solved the problem.
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I'm not trying to disparage your service. I really shouldn't meme when I'm down with the flu because it makes me cranky. God knows I fully support our military servicemembers, just not war itself.

That said, I'm not convinced everyone being armed is the answer. Because like those sworn guys at the school, just because someone has a gun it doesn't mean they're going to use it, use it properly, or be successful using it.
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8 years 2 wars mentally healthy and capable for the State of Texas to license me as a Peace Officer. But that doesn't matter to you.
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Which wars? And so you say you're mentally healthy but I don't know that for sure. I'd also like to know if you would feel comfortable going to war wearing a dress or jeans and tennis shoes, carrying nothing but a handgun while the other guy or guys have AR-15s.

There were sworn police officers at the Florida high school who didn't engage. Just because someone is carrying a gun, that doesn't automatically mean they will do what needs to be done when the time comes. And just because I'm against a guns in schools policy, doesn't mean I can't protect my kids when the time comes.
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And should we pick this discussion back up once you cool back down and can actually carry on a civil discussion?
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You continually strive to prove that I don't know enough about guns to even carry on a civil discussion about them and therefore my opinion means nothing.

Yet you expect me to carry a small handgun on me to class and lay down my life against an armed intruder with an *automatic* weapon. Should I also be expected to wear a Kevlar jumpsuit? Am I going to get hazard pay for this? And where is my district going to get the funding for the extra expenses when their budget has been cut $10 million for this and next year and another school is closing? Or am I expected to pay for the training and the equipment out of my own pocket with my teacher's salary?
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I point out where there is incorrect information about firearms. Such as you using "automatic" to refer to a rifle that is a semi-automatic. These corrections I base off of the wording of the legislation outlined from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (or ATF). I correct the misinformation disseminated by the majority of larger media outlets that is repeated incorrectly by people who watch it. I correct that misinformation with the facts outlined by the federal organization that defines, regulates, and investigates the federal laws surrounding firearms. But when you continually refer to firearms incorrectly, it shows you do not know what you are talking about (not done you own research) and are repeating things you have been told.

I expect none of these things from you that you feel would be mandatory. In fact you are probably the last sort of person who should even try to take on the added responsibility of protecting others safety. I expect for teachers who are willing to take on the responsibility to be given the opportunity to do so. Which if that person already has a concealed carry permit, they will already have a firearm. The expense of the training and undertaking of it would be at the discretion of the school district how they would want to pursue it.
As I said, I expect none of this from you, other than allowing those willing to keep this countries children safe the opportunity for them to do so.
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If this is your attempt to convince me why I should be wearing a gun into a room with 25-35 kids, you're doing a horrible job.
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Not physical fitness level, mental fitness level. You clearly don't want to carry a firearm, so you shouldn't. It's pretty simple. And those who want to carry one, along with the responsibility, should carry one.
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No, I said, "I expect none of these things from you that you feel would be mandatory. In fact you are probably the last sort of person who should even try to take on the added responsibility of protecting others safety." What I do expect is you not to hinder other who do make that choice. And as the law states, it must be concealed and secure, so you can remain oblivious to someone else assuring your security.
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I'm the last person because I have a voice and I disagree? Interesting criteria and that you should even try to evaluate my fitness online.

As a teacher I should be able to have input as to whether teachers should be mandated to carry guns. Just because someone next to me has a gun, that doesn't automatically mean they're a good shot, that they're not a coward, or that they can keep a cool head when bullets start flying.
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http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

Notice the word "ALLOW" in the title, not demand or mandatory...
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You should not be teaching, you can not even read what has been written over and over that it would NOT BE MANDATORY. (in caps because clearly you skim and don't read).
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Lol oh now I shouldn't be a teacher because I'm skimming through your comments on a meme website! God forbid I don't hang on every condescending word you have to say! I've already wasted too much time arguing with you. The bottom line here is you don't care about kids. You care about holding on to your TOYS. Be honest and quit hiding behind the truth. You're not honorable. You're not concerned about anyone but yourself. Because if you did care about kids as much as I do, you would've been a teacher too. Peace out.
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Frankly, I don't care about your opinion, I care about your right to voice your opinion. That is why I chose to take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and protect the country. Followed by protecting my local community. So as long as you have the right to voice you opinion as outline in the first amendment and anyone who wishes can bear arms as outlined in the second amendment is what is important. Just as I will not take away your right to free speech, I will not take away anyone else's right to bear arms or protect whoever they choose to.
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Banning assault weapons does not equate denying anyone their second amendment rights. Yet that scares you. Not wanting to bring a gun into the classroom automatically means I wouldn't be able to handle a firearm if I had to. For all you know, I could be a better shot than you. You don't know anything about me. Yet you presume to decide I shouldn't be a teacher because of things I've said in comments on a meme website. Your logic is faulty at best. And I couldn't care less what you think about me, either.

Personally, I think you're the one living in a dream world. You think the answer to everything should be something having to do with military protocol. Kids are bad? Military. Schools dangerous? Military. The answer to gun violence is not more guns. We've already done that. It's obviously not working. It's time to try something else that we haven't tried yet.
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Just cause something is purchased legally doesn't mean someone can't do something illegal with it. Thousands of people each year legally purchase and legally operate vehicles on the road but violate the law drinking and driving and killing people with those vehicles.
And as far as answering you "now", some of us have actual responsibilities outside of a meme social media page.
I don't know why the powers that be made those rules for military installations and federal buildings, all I know is that when I was on base, I couldn't be carrying. Just like any Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine would do, it's called following orders. I don't agree with it, but I signed on to do a job, and doing that job included following that specific regulation.
And, it was a semi-automatic rifle, not an assault (fill in your choice of term here).
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I am about protecting rights, in whole, the way they were written, I stopped reading you comment after "assault weapon" cause those HAVE been banned for years so you are clearly taking nothing away from any of the discussions we had. Good day.
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Ok because Cruz bought the AR-15 legally. So either you're just playing dumb again or you really are senile. And you have continuously dodged my question as to why military bases are gun free zones. Why Slim? Answer my question now. Something to hide? Something you don't want to admit? Now let's focus again on my incorrect gun terminology so you can dodge my question again.
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It just seems really naive to pin it all on the guard when we have no idea what the outcome would've been. He was outgunned.
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Not a guard, a Law Enforcement Officer, a Deputy, and that was his job. And had he engaged him, the outcome would have been different. Look up how most mass shooters react when faced with armed resistance, they usually retreat and off themselves cause their plan can longer progress along their planned time line.
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Is that what your crystal ball is telling you? Like his measly handgun would've been a march for Cruz's AR-15? He might not be a good shot. Police officers miss 15-50% of the time.
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Not a crystal ball, history, and the typical cowardice of someone to seek out unarmed victims. That armed resistance shows them they are not running the show anymore. Whether or not he was as a good of a shot as the cop in this story, any intervention would have had some sort of change to the outcome.
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Until there is some sort of resistance, some sort of kink put in their plan, nothing will change with what they are doing. It is just leaving the sheep to be slaughtered. Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, and the Navy yard are all federal installations, meaning it is a gun free zone. Unarmed individuals who have no reasonable means of resistance, only thing that can happen is running. Running will not reduce the total casualty count, ending the threat will. Slowing the threat down will too. There is no suitable replacement for active self protection.
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Those military installations have plenty of armed guards and military police stationed all over the base. Yet these things still happen there.

Also, why are they gun free zones still to this day? If they all are, considering the numerous mass shootings over the years, why do they make soldiers, who are trained and knowledgeable in firearms and therefore at least permitted to discuss them, not allowed to carry them on base? But now a teacher should be forced to?
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When was the last time you were on a military installation? There are gate guards, who are just that, paid civilian security guards at half of the military bases. And the military police are most often times at their office. Federal installations have always been gun free zones. It was only recently where they have allowed recruiters to carry concealed if they are properly licensed in that state, and that is at an office in a strip mall.
And you obviously haven't been reading anything I have been writing. Nobody ever said it would be *mandatory* for teachers to carry a firearm. I sure feel sorry for your students since you have moved past the capability of learning, something you expect them to do from you.
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So, then the weapons of war part is already taken care of.
And that's where I draw the line. There is nothing wrong with semi-automatics, and not everyone uses their guns for hunting. Some, and hear me out, some actually use them for personal defense. Also, just about everything on the market is semi-automatic, both rifles and pistols. One shot per trigger pull. They've been around for over a century. The problem isn't that the gun is able to reset the pin on its own, or that the gun has a magazine, or that 18 year olds can purchase rifles, or that teachers are unarmed. Changing any of those things wouldn't have prevented this tragedy. What needs to happen are stricter background checks with a mandatory psychological evaluation, and ensuring that government systems actually talk to one another so if someone's name pops up somewhere, it is actually caught during the background check. The ATF also needs to be notified about multiple rifle purchases like they are about pistols. But that means that people also need to do their jobs for a change and follow up on stuff.
Bumpstocks need to go, but guess what? They aren't the only legal modification out there. Drafting a law specifically towards bumpstocks is stupid since it would capture none of the other devices. All of those devices need to go.
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Firearms are tools. Used properly, there is nothing illegal about them. Just like trucks, cars, hammers, knives, screwdrivers...anything...everything
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So the next generation of voters are going to underwrite it with a monetary value based on a contractual obligation from a signatory to be insured?
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Yes. The bad guys will certainly obey your ban, won't they? However, an AR-15 isn't an assault weapon. Dumb ass.
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Yes, the bad guys who want to kill innocent people will obey a ban, just like they obey your silly little "Gun Free Zone" signs...
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Hey Music, this guy doesn't even live in the states, so it's kinda like your neighbor telling you how you should mow your yard. Just look at him like the special sort of person he is and just do what you want.
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How is that proof? Those officers should have gotten into the school and dealt with the situation. That's human cowardice, not a reason to get rid of guns.
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Bringing a hand gun to an automatic weapon fight is akin to bringing a knife to a gun fight...
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If they actually DID THEIR JOBS, there might have been fewer deaths. Bullet proof stupid, these "new" things prevent you from getting killed by civilian ammunition.
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You idiot, you can not take ALL guns. There are always still a few in someone's house. There's always still a few in the workplace. There's always still a few in the gang member's trunk. You can't get rid of our guns, and if you use guns to take our guns, you're just as much of a hypocrite as the rest of you liberals.
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She even looks prettier holding that gun :D
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Or what is portrayed in that meme.
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made laugh good one
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Jesus, America is truly f**cked if this is the top meme. Does anyone stop and think for a moment what they are suggesting? Militarizing schools. Which country outside of a war zone does that?

If you are a teacher and a kid hits another kid with a stick, do you:
1. Take the stick off the kid?
2. Arm all the kids with sticks?
3. Only give sticks to kids who know how to handle sticks?
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According to this teacher in Israel, they have armed guards. The teachers themselves aren't armed...

https://www.snopes.com/is-armed-teacher-students-israel/
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Five points.

First one. Snopes is an absolutely horribly biased, non credible source for verifying facts. Unless you're a liberal looking to confirm your own bias - Then they're fine. They've been caught themselves numerous times making horribly biased, bogus claims and are owned by a singular individual who is extremely liberal and has zero research experience.

Second: This link is attempting to refute a singular meme - That's it. and even in that attempt it does not do so, but merely offers their opinion that the image portraying a teacher is "unlikely" to be a teacher. That's a mere claim, and a singular source claiming to be an Israeli teacher doesn't' exactly qualify as a consensus.

Third: Most Israeli teachers in the West bank carry fire arms. This is a fact that even liberals who are for gun control will acknowledge and so do Israeli officials who consider their problem with terror in Israel and the problems which plague American schools to be entirely separate Issues which require separate solutions.

Forth: The claim wasn't that all Israeli teachers carry them, but that those in the west bank,which is in fact the " war zone " The above person I was responding to referenced, carry them.

Fith: Putting aside the teacher issue for a moment. Most schools in Israel do have armed guards with a single, secured, entrance, because of this, school shootings, even in war zones, is rare. You can attempt to get around this if you must, it makes it no less true.

Last: Unfortunately you will find no shortage of information to support your liberal bias on gun issues, just as you'll find no shortage of media sources slamming Trump, but that says more about them than it does the issues they're claiming to debunk or the individuals they're attempting to slam, and what that says is that they're intellectually dishonest, not looking to report the facts as they exist and let those reading them decide for themselves.
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Which implies all teachers in Israel carry guns, which again is FALSE. There are armed security and military everywhere in Israel because of all the terrorism.

The culture is different to where guns are not for recreation, they're strictly for self-defense. Also, only ex-or current military can apply for a gun license at 21. Everyone else has to be 27.

"Applicants must go through background checks and need a signed bill of health from their doctor. Gun licenses have to be renewed every three years, and require an annual practice at a shooting range. Many requests are refused. A majority of the licenses are granted for 9 mm pistols. The few licenses for automatic rifles are reserved for people who need them for ongoing security roles. Annual bullet supplies are limited to 50 per licensed individual, or 100 for security guards." It's not a free for all there like it is here.

So here's a couple other links since you didn't like my last one...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-guns-mike-huckabee.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/why-school-shootings-are-so-rare-in-israel-where-guns-are-such-a-common-sight/2018/02/22/1fce546a-17e3-11e8-930c-45838ad0d77a_story.html
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Here is a direct quote from the meme above I'm responding to.

" Most Schools Inside Wars Zones Don't Do that Either "

The West bank is in FACT a war zone and the teachers in the West Bank DO in fact carry guns along with armed guards. Liberals and Israeli officials, both have acknowledged this.

I find it ironic and hypocritical that you post in your meme " You didn't say The West Bank " when the context of the conversation clearly implied it by the meme I was responding to. You then IMMEDIATELY under that meme say " Which Implies all teachers in Israel carry guns " clearly demonstrating your dishonesty.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways - Ignoring the implications and context of a rejoinder given by the meme I'm responding to and then go on to commit the mother of all argument from silence fallacies by saying " You didn't say West Bank " and relying absolutely on implications and ergo, reading into the text your own bias.

" The culture is different to where guns are not for recreation, they're strictly for self-defense. Also, only ex-or current military can apply for a gun license at 21. Everyone else has to be 27. "

Which is a Red Herring fallacy, completely irrelevant to the current discussion, and secondary sources by two rabidly left leaning News Papers with small quotes by Israeli politicians to attempt to give it credibility, which they drastically expound upon with their own liberal political bias.

. The fact of the matter is teachers carry them in the West Bank where war is an every day occurrence, which progressives are against, and armed guards carry them EVERYWHERE in Israel,which progressives are also AGAINST. .

" So here's a couple other links since you didn't like my last one "

Quoting rabidly liberal secondary sources like the NY times and Washington post to validate other liberal sources only proves your intellectual dishonesty and that you're looking to confirm your own political bias, nothing more.

This would be akin to quoting a gay rights group to validate the claims of anther gay rights group as to whether or not homosexuality was immoral or not.

As I said above, your sources and arguments thus far say more about you than they do this issue, that you're intellectually dishonest and looking to confirm your own political bias and/or presuppositions and I have more than laid that bare in the very first two paragraphs of this post.
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WAit for them to settle out their differences and if the kid tries to kill the other kid,(This is basically the mindset of school shooters, kill the kids you don't like, and then some.) intervene.
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Yeah, as matter of fact we have.thought about it, and that thinking didn't include faulty analogy fallacies parroted from other progressive such as you're offering here.

You haven't offered and argument to support your position, what you have offered are logical fails, the antithesis of an argument expressed with emotional language and four letter expletives.
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If you can't get upset with dead kids appearing on your TV screen on a regular basis, then what should you get emotional about. Must be a pretty soulless life you lead that hanging on to your guns is more important than the lives of children. Guns have one purpose and that is to kill, an AR15 is made to kill lots of people very quickly. It really is that simple and the argument that you need guns to defend yourself against your own government? Seriously, many celebrate the US Military, are you telling me armed civilians are going to take on the US Military with some automatic rifles in case of any dispute.

In any civilised country in the world it is not even a debate, no civilised country tolerates dead kids in it's school and panders to a tax exempt organisation like the NRA.
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We defend our country with guns.
We defend our Politicians with guns.
We defend our towns with guns.
We defend ourselves with guns.
We defend our children with a sign, that says "This is a gun free zone"

What is wrong with that picture?

And by the way, ARs aren't automatic.
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Read my previous comment on one of these memes.
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1st. I don't own a TV. 2nd., Yeah, I do get upset about reading about dead kids on the news, especially in Planned Parenthood clinics – An organization that spends almost 10X as much on political influence as the NRA & murders approximately 1,000 babies a day, but that says nothing about the cause or the solution to these problems.

3rd.: That my guns are more important than the lives of children is begging the question - which is an assumption about a position - not an argument for one.

4th.: Before lecturing anyone on their soul because of moral charges - you should - One - Offer a argument to prove those charges, & Two, provide a means by which to justify these charges, because until you do - all you have offered are assertions, assumptions & arbitrary preferences & opinions. Nothing more.

5th.: That guns have "one purpose “ is Yet another assumptions, not an argument for evidence for a position. & even if it were true, it says nothing about the intent of the person using them to kill, which my vary from incident to incident & individual to individual.

6th.. That an AR15 is made sorely “ to kill lots of people very quickly" is irrelevant to whether or not it's used to kill people committing evil or protecting one's self from those committing it. All you have offered are assumptions, not arguments for positions.

7th.: Am I telling you that armed civilians are going to take on the US military? No, but I am telling you that armed citizens may have to & have in the past had to take on their government who used part of the military to oppress them, & history has shown that they can & have successfully done so against all odds.

That you deny this reality or find it unlikely or perhaps even insane says more about you & your historical ignorance than it does Americans who rightfully recognize the 2nd. amendment being specifically created for citizens to protect themselves against their own government should they have to.

Last. In every civilized country in the world - protecting the rule of law & founding principles which preserve freedom are not only a debate, but a war to gain & maintain it. In morally deteriorating nations it's ignored at the expense of the government being the nanny of it's citizens through government handouts while they go to sleep & their government erodes their freedoms.

You want that for you & the society in which you live? That's fine, don't come crying when you're put in Stalin like gulags.
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Give me one other use of guns then? I find your comment strange.
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1. Target practice 2. hunting 3. collecting, 4. None at all. I don't 'need a reason. I just like or feel like owning one and don't need a reason in a free society.
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I welcome arguments trying to defend 2 and 3.
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Some generating errors - hope this postz
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What happened to Jules, "say what again"?
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For you mental midgets who say that arming teachers is a bad idea, google "Harrold School District."

Funny, they don't have people causing trouble in their schools. Proof that it works.
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What I mean, is that laws are created to protect you. Unlike some people...they think it's okay to break the law and that's why they have consequences such as: Death row, Prison, Jail, Juby, Detention centers and etc.... do ya understand?(No offence) I take this stuff seriously.
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she is unhelpful
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your unhelpful! >:(
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its a genius strategy. use politicians to scare ppl. the result? gun sales go thru the roof.
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Literally half of my peers are just plain out idiots :(
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You're an idiot.
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