Futurama Fry

"The fight to protect Dreamers is not only a moral imperative, it is also a critical component of the Democratic Party's future electoral success." - Jennifer Palmieri

Since when can illegals vote?

Since they get amnesty and a fast track to citizenship via DACA.

Then they won't be illegal. Until then they can't vote.

Exactly.

Why do you think they are so desperate to get them legalized? It's right there in Palmieri's memo.

Then the GOP should help them too. They could use more voters too.

Um, HELLO!, round the same time that millions of zombies voted Hillary President last year just like Trump & Co predictic - - Oh, wait.

But still, as we know, illegals get welfare while they work below minimum wage and foodstamps while they make our food and free housing - even HOUSES, FREE - according to a fellow memer last week. They get all this because they're too lazy to work and steal our jobs.

And their kids cross the border with cocaine in their sneakers because they know no one will check because their socks are stinky.

Plus the men, go, "Hey mami, chu wanna makie de babiez?" to all our ladies who then will bear their swarthy childen who will listen to Mariachi music istead of Justin Beiber and thus destroy our culture.

Illegals don't qualify for any social programs.

If their children are born here those kids are legal. That's constitutional. Make an amendment to change it.

Not happening.
Because 331 'citizens' don't want to go home.

Aaaaaaaaaand precedent established by 150 years of law.

Either way, illegals don't qualify for free anything (except maybe emergency medical care....since hospitals don't turn anyone away)

Sorry, I forgot what I had said that you were replying to.
I was being sarcastic in my first reply, ridiculing the view of many that they do qualify for benefits yet don't pay anything into the system.

Many in fact do pay into the system via false SS#'s however they will never be able to collect on the tax based benefits they pay into like SS, Medicare, etc.

The easiest way to stop illegals is to not have jobs for them to come here for. So, the most efficient way to do that is to target the employers. Much easier to and far fewer of them then the illegals themselves. Fine or prosecute the employers. See how fast they stop hiring them. Of course there are some that will say "OH BUT THEN THEY WILL RAISE PRICES BECAUSE U.S. CITIZENS WILL COST MORE TO EMPLOY"

Pick a side, folks.

That's part of what I was ridiculing.

Every President has proposed that when they, like Reagan, grant citizenship to 'just this much.' As we saw early last year, a few big roundups for the news, then it's time for Pablo to mow our lawns and breathe pesticides while plucking strawberries again so it dwindles.

Thing is, they are allowed here for a reason. Below minimum wage labor at jobs no one wants. In recent years Arizona had crops rotting on the ground because there wasn't enough to pick them due to vigorous efforts to get rid of them. The Federal Gov't transports Somalis and other Moslems to work at meat processing plants in places like Nevada, because no one wants those jobs, even at $15p/hr. Of course, with Mexicans demonized, that's exactly what people prefer and that's what they'll get, 'refugees' from countries that don't like Americans brought in to pickk up the slack.

Or employers can pay more. Supply/demand, right? Allowing illegal immigrants into the country is falsely "lowering" the average wage by diluting the market with employable people. Causing an oversupply. Which devalues it. Like anything else...when there is more of it, the scarcity is not there to drive value or price up.

BUT- who DOES benefit? The business owners and in many cases, shareholders. The GOP doesn't want to attack them for employing illegals b/c they are also big donors to the party. Get big money out of politics. End Citizens United , really "drain the swamp" once and for all.

Not happening, because one thing Americans hate more than getting fat is not being able to get fat. We like to buy too much and throw 'excess' away. Cheap goods are better at keeping the money flowing than expensive ones.
Simple solution to trade imbalances with China and other countries is to buy American. Not happening.
Simple solution to energy waste is to end subsidies and allow Americans to buy gas at what it costs, which is double. Not going to happen.
I know people who hate ALL Muslims, yet go to their delis instead of those owned by Italians or Dominicans. Free soda with that sandwich, YAY!

Business, investors, customers, communities, politicians, goverments, hungry enemies oversees, etc, benefit. The US sold the USSR 70% of the wheat it consumed at a discount paid for by our taxpayers. We could have ended them by starving them. But pictures of starving kids on the cover of National Geographic and the latest dictator invading Europe on the the cover of TIME Magazine ain't cute.

The swamp was drained, and now the muck is slithering around the White House, dismantling what was once the USA. Big money? They ARE big money. No more Abe Lincolns with on pant leg longer than the other running for office. Those days have been over for over a century.

Ain't that the true? Who can argue that?!

If they are not given equal rights, it is slavery Octavia. Don't try to sugar cote it. See Octavia one of your posts contradicts the other, and the word "exception" on your second post holds no value. But, you know, I understand, you are from Cali. I was from Cali as well, you know, smoking pot can have long effects in your perceptions of how things are, and you add to that the overwelming influence of one sided media it all makes sense to me why you think that way.

The politicians are only in it for themselves.

The democrat citizens want to do the right thing and are lured into voting democrat by the sweet words of justice, freedom, and happiness for everyone that the politicians hiss out from their fangs. Demonizing the republicans also helps with that.

There is a border crisis that needs to be addressed but neither side has a good solution.

There are thousands of illegals being held in detention centers, including a lot of children. Most of these immigrants are escaping gang violence from Central American countries. These Detention centers are essentially prisons. I'd say child prisons that are becoming overcrowded rather than emptying out are a crisis.

Neither the republicans or the democrats have good solutions because they are too polarized on the issue and neither will compromise. The US can't just give everyone amnesty because a lot of them actually are violent criminals that are escaping the gangs because they pissed the wrong people off. The US cant just send them all back either because we'd be sending a lot of good innocent people that have been specifically targeted by the gangs to their deaths.

The only way to fix the problem is a lot of money and compromises from both political parties. We need a wall that funnels the immigrants into specific zones so they can enter into the system. The US needs to quadruple its funding to the organizations that hire the lawyers and social workers so that they can screen and process the immigrants through the system faster than they've been arriving. The problem is Democrats don't want the wall and republicans don't want to spend money on a government program. No compromise means a crisis.

I have a better idea. How about we get off our asses, go to their coutry and rebuild it and set a good structure for them so that they do not have to leave their country and families and enjoy their own country's riches? But how can we do that when we have a 20 trillion $ debt and our own structure is broken? First we need to fix ourselves before we can go help others, and yes things will be tight while that takes place, and yes unfortunately there will be a price to pay even for children. That is the right way to fix it. Not all that nonsense Grid posted.

Sadly, that may never work for those countries. Never in known history have they formed a stable civilization on their own that westerners would consider civilized. By that I mean a civilization like the Mayans, Aztecs, or Inca. Central America never had something like that.

Westerners, of course, tried bringing government to them but in the end it only worked for some. The only countries that ended up doing well had huge amounts of western colonization, influence, and investment. Panama for example. The rest essentially ended up as drug dealers.

Some places need conquering. That's not politically correct to say anywhere in the world right now but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Unless the world decides to intervene, it may be better to let the evil stew right where it's at, like you're suggesting. It's unlikely they will become a threat to anyone but themselves.

Keep treating them like infants, they're gonna keep acting like infants.

I'm all about charity, but we have to look internal first. When America is perfect, then we should reach out. Ultimately though, I absolutely think that if you have the desire to take back your land, you can. Our forefathers did it with muskets against the strongest Army and Navy known to the world at the time.

I am also, but only in cases of emergency, such as a after some sort of disaster, or if it's a situation we had a hand in fostering.

But that we have to play the rich uncle for people who will only spit on the face as it bites the hand makes no sense. Most of these places have histories going back way farther than ours, and if they haven't been able to get their acts together, all we're doing is creating perpetually hapless dependents.
Granted, quite a few have been the victims of external forces such as war or colonialism, but in those cases it should be up to those that tore them down to help get them back on their feet.

If the USA went from a rag tag collection of farming communities predicted by others to fail to what it is today without anyone else's help, then so can they.

I don't think you understand the situation. Their countries are ruled by gang lords and supply our country with illegal drugs. They don't have riches other than that for the most part. It's way too complicated a situation to just say, go get um. I think the last time the US tried something like that was El Salvador. Power to the people! Oh wait.. some of the people formed gangs and now they're in power. Whoops.

I agree though, we do need to take care of ourselves. In the meantime, what do you suggest we do with the children marked for death that flee to our country by the thousands? Make sure you answer this in your reply.

No dude. Latin America is filthy rich with natural resources. We need to help them from their country. Once their country is stable, they will not need to scape. About the Children, yes it is unfortunate. I don't know where you are getting "Mark for death" it is not like they have an executioner waiting for them at their country to cut off their heads. I think you are being emotional and blowing things out of proportions. But two can play the same game, how about the American kids that get kidnapped by illegal slave traffickers for organs or sex, because I know some parent victims you can talk to them and explain why it happened to them. Again, we can help when we are ready to help. This time is not the time and blowing up money is not the solution. Also countries need to find out how to solve their own problems, it is not our responsibility to fix everyone else's problem. U.S is a great example, because we overcame tons of problems by ourselves, look at its history No one came to help us. Oh hey, and Mexico sided with the Germans to help them Spy in the US or you forgot?

The majority of the illegal immigrants come from Central America. Not "Latin" America, not Mexico, not South America. Big difference.

As a matter of fact, they do have executioners waiting for them. My gf is one of the attorneys that works to get these kids asylum so I get to hear the stories all the time. Every other kid I hear about has had a mother, father, or sibling murdered in front of their faces because they didn't cooperate with the gang.

Once those kids start looking old enough they get a choice, join or die. Teenage girls tend to get forced into prostitution, teenage boys get pushed into drugs and violence. The smart ones run away.

If they get caught running or get sent back after being unwanted at their destination, they get turned into an example. Trying to apply for citizenship legally is out of the question because the gangs are in every facet of the society, including the government.

It may sound like an emotional argument, but that's actually how it is. Even Trump pulled a 180 on his hardcore immigration policy once he saw the child detention centers. Listen to what he says about Daca (I think that's the acronym).

You only gave reasons why you don't like foreigners, I asked you specifically what you think we should do with the ever growing population of children in the detention caps (aka prisons)? They aren't going to stop coming just because the US needs to fix its own problems.

But once we fix our problems then we can help them, else we are jyst blowing money and become just like them. BTW Latin America covers North, South, and Central America. It covers all that speak Latin. I'm a foreigner myself, but I came to this country legally. I have no issues with those that do NOT break the law. As simple as that. It pains me that children often times are the ones that pay for the mistakes their parents made, but that is how life goes, some will suffer, some will die. Bringing all the populous of Latin America, and please do not correct me on that one again pick your words more carefully next time, for the sake if their kids not getting raped, killed, or sold as slaves is irrational. It will overpopulated this country so bad that we will exhaust this country's resources fairly quick. They will have to wait until we are ready.

My point about "Latin" America was that it's too general and doesn't describe the majority of the illegal immigrants properly. Most, by an overwhelming majority, are Central American. Mexicans just need to pay a dollar at the border to come into the states. A Mexican who wants in the country illegally has very different motives than the people from Central America.

Did you have to worry about being murdered in your own home in front of your family when you applied to come into the US? I've heard stories about several kids that witnessed exactly that from my gf who worked with them personally. Several of about 30 in the course of 1 year. That's a huge percentage.

Nobody is saying go get the kids from Central America and bring them here. The question I keep asking is: What do we do with the ones that are coming into this country illegally? What do we do with the ones that are already here in the Detention camps?

They're here and they are going to keep coming. Nothing is going to stop that. They will find a way. What do we do?

Do we just keep rounding them up and make more camps? How is that not a drain on the economy? Do we send them home to their deaths? Could you sign the bill that would send thousands of children to their deaths or a life of violence and suffering? Answer the hard questions this time.

BTW. As hard as it may be for you to believe, we live in a planet with limited resources. At one point there will only be enough potable water to gill a gallon, and at one point humanity will cease to be. People will die, that is how life goes. The best thing we can do is preserve and stretch those resources in the hopes that we may be able to colonize other planets before we exhaust all the resources here. Kids will die, animals will die, and humanity will perish. We are destined to it, scientists agree with this and so does the Christian Bible. I have acceoted that fact, but many do not understand it. Over population is a bad thing.

K. I hope you're answering my questions from my reply to your other comment. Since you're trying to get all deep to avoid thinking of a solution to the questions I've asked, I'll explain overpopulation to you here and why isolationism won't work.

You're not wrong about the limited resources thing. Well, not with our civilization in it's current state. Let's work off of that model.

Imagine an empty bottle filled with nothing but air that has been capped off so no air can enter or leave the bottle. Let's now imagine we place that bottle into container with infinitely strong walls that is also filled with air and is also sealed. Now imagine what happens if we were to start pumping air into the outer container, thereby increasing the pressure, but not into the bottle.

At first nothing will happen. Once the pressure reaches a critical point, the bottle will violently and suddenly implode and be destroyed.

The air molecules are people, the bottle represents our border, the container represents the rest of the world.

Isolation can only work as a temporary measure until a way is found to reduce the surrounding "pressure", otherwise catastrophe. Human beings do not prevent things. They fix things. Any country that attempts to isolate itself in such a scenario will be destroyed before they can find a solution. That's why it's important that humans try to tackle these problems now because it's going to take our dumbasses a long time to come up with a preventative solution.

Which question was it? And look bro. If you want to be mother Teresa, that is fine. We do not exist to fix other people's problem by screwing ourselves and ignoring our problems. I offered a solution, fix their country once we have our problems taken care. You provided a solution that will not tackle the heart of the problem and will only add more debt to our country. Can't get simpler than that. The problem here is that you, the US, as well as the rest of the other prospering countries will not get off their assets to help them in their countries. You know, people here seem to complain about churches, but so far they are the only ones I have seen sending people to those countries to build homes and necessities for those in need. "Isolation can only work as a temporary measure until a way is found to reduce the surrounding "pressure"" <--- yes bro that is what I'm referring to, temporary, read again my posts.

It's got nothing to do with being nice. There is a problem and I'm asking you for your solution. You said mine wouldn't work because it would cost too much. Do you have a better one?

You have not offered any solutions. You just keep saying "fix America first". You keep ignoring the fact they're already here and they keep coming. What should be done about them?

If you want to fix America, understand this is one of the issues that's breaking it. Please, don't ignore this. Answer those questions from the other reply.

Very well. The fix for illegal imigration is for us to travel to their country, take out their corrupted leaders just as we did in Panama to Noriega. Educate them and assist them re-build their country providing volunteer, military and contracting labor. But before we can do that, we need to fix our economy and pay off our debt. Here is what I siggest:
1)pill the military from overseas, they do not need us or want us in their country
2) $115 billion annually is the cost to the US for illegal immigration, we do not need that. Have the now at home military do a door by door search and deport all illegal imigrants from the US.
3) legalize marijuana and other recreational drugs and tax them very high
4) remove the minimum wage
5) remove regulations and restrictions preventing small to medium business owners from getting ahead
6) lumber in the US can pay for the 20trillion $ debt, but it will clear all our trees. We need to be reforesting

Those are some ideas I can think from top of my head that will assist us achieve the solutions I have already provided.

You have a few good ideas and a few not so good ideas and one really f**ked up idea. Putting America first is cool, I agree with it. The problem is none of your ideas are solutions to the question I keep asking.

What does America do with the illegal immigrants that are already in detention centers? What do we do about the ones that keep coming into the country? 1-6 have literally nothing to do with those two questions.

For the 20th time DEPORT THEM BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY! Is it clear now? Send them back to their country to put pressure on their country, we are enablers of 3rd world countries because we keep taking care of their crap, so they feel no responsibility or need to take care of their own. We are doing bad, by taking care of them because some democrats want slave labor, yup we are the bad guys.

I think both but who cares about politics

George HW Bush Sr did the same for 1.5 million.
Strangely, those weren't all future Repubs voters. Go figure.

Do NOT look up what laonsite said.

Unless you want to find out whose idea NAFTA really was.

Indeed.

When people see the reality of illegal immigration, they often soften up. Trump is a good example. It's easy to say "git um outa here" and "America first" when they don't see the suffering that so many have endured.

I don't believe we should give that particular country any money then if we have to take care of their citizens. Imo. Especially Mexico. They have quite the surplus in trading over us, yet still throw their shit paper on the floor. Things like that make me weary.

Yeah, but no. Despite the rightarded refrain of socialist gov'ts, Mexico, like the USA, is not one. Trade surplus is with those who trade - businesses. That surplus doesn't go into the coffers of the goverment except from the taxes they garnish from those businesses. In fact, the main beneficiery? You, the US consumer, as well as companies here who buy these goods cheaper so you can make Home Depot and Walmart rich. The solution for those who don't like it is simple: HECHA EN MEXICO - don't buy those so marked.
Capitalism, supply and demand. No demand, no need for the supply. Same as stuff made in China, you know, where Mitt Romney and Donald Trump have purchased and built factories courtesy of tax dollars paid by tax paying Americans, which, incidentally, does NOT include them guys. Now THAT'S socialism. In reverse, sorta, but same thing in effect. Here, business owns goverment which therefore makes laws to benefit them, therefore controlling the reigns of industy to benefit itself.

Most illegals come from Central America. If Mexicans want to enter the country they just have to pay a dollar at the border.

There are around 10 million Mexican illegals in the US, more than all other Latin illegals combined.

Grid is delusional and has the reading comprehension skills of a 3rd grader. Don't expect much from trying to teach him. I wasted hours of my life doing so. He does not even know what Latin America is. All he knows to say is central america...

I saw the other day he just keeps saying the same thing on his memes replies. Why does he even bother replying?

NY, NY? Trump used to see more illegals in a day than you'll see in your lifetime. Stiffed some Polish ones (and who knows what else) too even.

Skip the oncoming "Fake MSM news" jukebox tune a'comin, this meeting - the greatest in history - was one he invited the press to. You can watch the video. He nodded yes to DACA without realizing what it was - willing to sign it on the spot - till Repubs kicked his leg and reeled him in. He then expressed opposition to it, only to slip again and give support.

Sociapaths are by definition incapable of being empaths.
Oh, he's soft, in the head. Psychos ARE capable of going senile too, ya know.

Oh, in NYese, it's, "GetThaFuqOuttaHe-uh"

I hate to admit it, but CNN released a video of him endorsing DACA on many occasions, not just one.

Chances are neither of us really knows what the administration is going to do about Daca but something tells me all of those different instances of him supporting it aren't by accident.

Wait, ain'tchu one o'dhem farts who ridicule people by claiming they're brainwashed by watchin CNN?
NOW you're citing them?

GetThaFuqOuttaMyFace, hypocrite.

I happened to see that video because I like to see what bs the media is saying about Trump so I'll look at the news stories my phone suggests, which are always liberal media. That was one of the stories.

Im not citing CNN, I'm citing the president. The video is several clips of him talking mixed in with CNNs bs dialogue in text. CNN tried to spin it to attack republican leaders but if you look past that you'll see the president supporting Daca on many occasions, contrary to your statement.

I don't care where I get my facts as long as they're correct and not opinions disguised as facts. My problem with the media is how they manipulate facts and force feed people propaganda, which is exactly what that video did.

F**k off, faker.

Haha I knew you were going to say that. Not sure what you think I'm "faking", but I'll f**k off if you will.

https://imgflip.com/i/22hck6?lerp=1515653518679

Lol, that guy spouts out the weirdest stuff sometimes