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PREMEDITATED, CHECK, KILLING OF A HUMAN BEING, CHECK, BY ANOTHER, CHECK! ABORTION IS, BY DEFINITION, MURDER. | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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7 ups, 1 reply
Actually, it must still, by definition, be illegal.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Well, whether or not it should be illegal is the debate, though. It meets every other definition, EXCEPT, conveniently enough, being illegal. If this is your reasoning for why abortion isn't murder, you have a poor logical thought process.
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5 ups, 1 reply
You claimed that abortion is, by definition, murder. This is not correct, because murder, by definition, must be unlawful. If, as you say, the debate is more so about whether or not it should be unlawful, then you are arguing that abortion SHOULD be murder rather than that it IS murder. In this context, if someone asks you "do you think abortion is murder?" and you want to argue that it is, then using the definition doesn't get you anywhere; in order to use the definition you must first argue why it should be unlawful, at which point, you've already made your case and no longer need the definition to help you.
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Skip to my tl;dr if you don't want to read my wall of text. Nowhere in my post did I say that abortion is, by definition, murder. I said that it fits all other definitions (well, qualifications, really) EXCEPT illegality. Yes. It SHOULD be classified as murder. And illegality is a poor reason for disqualifying something as murder. This is because legality is highly subjective, because it's more about what a group of people (The SCOTUS, in America's case) believes, and not based on facts. Premeditated? Objective, undisputable fact. Killing of another human being? Objective, undisputable fact. By another? Objective, undisputable fact. Lawfulness? Up to government's interpretation. Fact? Maybe, but not objectively so. Since it meets every other criterion, I believe it should be classified as murder.

tl;dr - Unlawfulness is subjective, everything else is not. Since abortion meets every other qualification that is factually based, it should be seen as murder.
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3 ups, 1 reply
My apologies, I confused you with the person to whom my original reply was addressed; he is the one who said "abortion is, by definition, murder," not you. Now though, I am curious as to the following: based on your approach, do you consider euthanasia to be murder?
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No worries. Also, interesting question. And honestly, it depends; it appears that most cases include painless killing of a patient suffering from an irreversible illness or coma, or mercy killing. While euthanasia is done by another person, it is usually done at the consent or mercy of the patient. (Or, in the case of animals, it's just a mercy kill). As long as the patient is willing, no, I don't see it as murder. In the case of abortion, the victim of the killing is unable to consent, and, most times are aborted because they are seen as an inconvenience (which is despicable). Interesting question, though.
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It's not murder because it's not illegal. Did you even read what you posted?
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Except for the fact that it is legal
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jk, I like your meme and I completely agree with you!!!!
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Justifiable murder maybe.
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not entirely sure how serious that bottom line was
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I got a feeling, that this might be an interesting comment section for the weekend ^^
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I laughed so hard, I nearly fell off the couch
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We would but costs about 40k $ to just do one adoption and expose yourself to rigorous background checks and lifestyle check. If adoption was not so expensive and difficult I would adopt at least 4 kids.
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That's awesome! There are safe haven laws where I live. Leave a newborn at the police station, church, hospital. No questions asked. Still here about abandoned newborns left to die or killed
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3 ups, 2 replies
The fault really is in the woman that gets pregnant for not taking responsibility for her actions and the parents of that woman and man for not teaching them and supporting them. Please do not bring [email protected] here, one bad action does not excuses another bad action, and those cases are less than 1% of the abortions. That is what people fail to see, it is not taking responsibility for their choices and taking the choices away from a living fetus who has a whole life to live. Pro choice my @$$.
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You're talking about reported **pes. They don't all get reported. If one out of three women in this country get **ped, how many pregnancies are resulting from that? Out of that number, how many are opting to keep the child? Where are the pills lowering a man's sperm count so he can't impregnate someone? Where are all the posts shaming men for not being responsible, not using condoms or spermicide, not standing by the women and their children? Women don't get pregnant by themselves...
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The context us pregnancy. Not **pe. Now I wish rapist will get death sentence or castration+20 years in prison. Why we can't kill the rapist and we have to kill the babies that have not wronged anyone?
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2 ups, 1 reply
People are gonna have sex. Some irresponsibly. around 50% of adults in USA have an STD. Unwanted babies help no one. Maybe they should give them away free of charge but I still think the pro-lifers still wouldn't adopt enough of them
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2 ups, 1 reply
I can't speak for the rest of them, only for myself. Me and my wife have considered adoption several times. I would have adopted 4 by now if it was not so expensive and complicated. But we can't pretend that the issue is at fault of people not adopting or adoption agencies being too expensive, those are just two targets to point the blame on. The real issue is people not being responsible for their choices and unsupportive parents who did not educated them. That is the heart of the problem. And since those irresponsible people can vote, they have a voice.
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Put your money where your mouth is, my friend...
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Gimme $40k and I will gladly do it!
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4 ups, 1 reply
True though, anyone who aborts a baby is shit
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6 ups, 3 replies
Iceland has virtually eliminated down's syndrome. Via abortion. Had a friend terminate a fetus when it would have died within hours of birth. This world is a better place with abortion
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5 ups, 2 replies
You people are using extreme examples. Unfortunately it's often not used for extreme examples. And while they may be considered an additional burden, it seems to me like I've never come across someone with a relative or child who had a birth defect say or even intimate they wish that person had never been born.
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6 ups, 3 replies
Whether you are pro life or pro choice it is legal to have an abortion. I happen to think we have a better world w/o having additional unwanted babies. We have enough humans in this world. I would say we have too many humans right now
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6 ups, 1 reply
Be glad someone wanted you and didn't find an excuse to end your life before it began.
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4 ups, 2 replies
How would I ever know? And yes there are too many humans IMO.
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5 ups, 3 replies
Again, if you think there's too many...well, you're part of the problem. So why don't you take yourself out of the picture and help fix the problem?
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5 ups, 2 replies
Perverse logic you got there. I think the world is over populated. Keep pumping put those kids
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5 ups, 2 replies
Does the word "contraception" mean anything to you? Maybe if that child is unwanted, precautions should be taken to avoid pregnancy in the first place. There are many methods, some more effective than others.

Also, if "it's legal, therefore it's justified" was a valid argument, then we'd still have race-based human slavery. Try again.

Thirdly, Genocide as a means to cure diseases is a little bit extreme, don't you think Herr Himmler?

Fourthly, Abortion as a means of global population control is a myth. All you're doing is shifting where in the world the majority of the babies are born. The population is still rising.

Finally, Abortion isn't a political issue. And, news flash: It isn't a moral issue either. It's actually a civil rights issue.

Here's the thing about "when does life begin"... It's not a relevant question. Because as long as you keep your salad tongs out of the uterus, chances are high it will eventually cross the threshold of "life", no matter where you arbitrarily put it. And if it's alive and it's human, then it's entitled to civil rights as guaranteed by the Constitution. You cannot rationally justify taking away someone's civil rights because you arbitrarily decided they're not human, and therefore not entitled to any. We fought a civil war over that, and a lot of people died. Here's hoping we don't have to fight another one...
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Maybe precautions should start being taken to avoid impregnating people...
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4 ups, 1 reply
How is my logic flawed? A statement such as yours, with no explanation is empty and meaningless. You posit that there is a problem. I reply by offering the logical conclusion one with your worldview should draw.

And who gave you the authority to determine which babies should and should not be given a chance at life? I have an uncle and aunt who adopted two Down's children. Those children today are happy and healthy. Should they have died before getting the chance to live? Or which people with Down's Syndrome would you choose to execute first?
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I am going to make this as clear as I can. If you still don't get it, oh well.
I think the world is over populated. OK
I am not choosing who to execute. Jeesh get a grip man.
The people who have an abortion, for whatever reason, have a legal right to do so.
I support abortion as one of their choices to deal with their situation.
I will not judge those who chose that option. Again it is perfectly legal for them to choose that option.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Why don't you do something to help all the struggling single moms out there who were abandoned by deadbeat men? Or does your concern stop the minute the kids are born like so many other "pro-lifers"?
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2 ups, 2 replies
Lol...yep, go on and try to turn this around on me.

Sorry, but if you choose a deadbeat as your kid's dad, that's on you for failing to judge his character before getting in bed with him. Now you've got a kid. Ending the child's life is not the answer.
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Deadbeats often don't become that until they're presented with the situation. You have no concept of this because you're not a woman and you're obviously too narrow-minded to put yourself in their shoes. There is such a thing as men pretending to be something they're not to get in a girl's pants. You don't want this turned around on you? Too effing bad. Men should share the responsibility as there is no way a woman can get pregnant the old fashioned way without one. But the fact that you want to put all the responsibility and blame on the women is precisely why your opinion is irrelevant.
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Did I excuse deadbeats? No, I didn't. A deadbeat is a deadbeat, and for that there is no excuse.

There is one very, very simple way to keep the wrong guy out of your pants: Keep your pants closed. That way, you won't get pregnant unexpectedly. But that's just too simple...

You mistake me caring if you try to turn this on me with my own amusement at your attempt to make me the villain here. Nice try.

When people stop blaming other people for their own problems, this world will become a much better place. It takes two to make a baby. If one parent leaves, "too effing bad"! Just because they shirked their responsibility is no reason for you to shirk yours.

And yes, it is possible to avoid deadbeats. It's called learning to judge human nature. In 100% of cases, a parent who leaves to avoid responsibility clearly has different values than the parent who stays. So, why were they together to begin with? If their views on something like parenthood are so widely different, again, why exactly were they sleeping with that person?! If a sexual relationship was all you were looking for, tough. You deserved exactly what you got. And if you were looking for something more than sex, you should've gotten to know the person better before getting laid by them. The responsibility is on both, on the deadbeat as much as on the parent who raises the kid. Adulthood is determined by which one sticks around.

My opinion is irrelevant to you just as yours is irrelevant to me. I merely enjoy arguing with those like you; it amuses me to watch you endeavor to propound a logical theory which logic proves to in fact be indefensible.
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Barry_Friendly, ironic name huh. I did my part in solving the overpopulation problem. I don't and will not have any kids. Pro-lifers need to get a life of their own and stop meddling in other's life. Pro-lifers are essentially saying, okay you made a mistake and now you have to deal with an unwanted pregnancy. How effective will a parent be at raising an unwanted child? Pro-lifers step up to the plate and agree to adopt all these aborted fetuses instead of forcing those who made a mistake with an unwanted pregnancy suffer and raise a unwanted baby in an unloving,uncaring environment.
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So it's a mercy kill. Is that what you're saying?
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3 ups, 1 reply
Barry,
I have tried to explain my viewpoint, all you seem to want to do is argue. Good luck
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Conveniently ignoring my last two questions...very well. If you have no answer, I bid you good day.
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Okay. Since you wouldn't know if you have been aborted, then why does it matter if you shoot someone in the head? Why would they care; they don't know what happened. They're dead!

Aren't you happy that you are alive? That you have a life to live?
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Stupid angle man. Killing an adult might affect a lot of other people. Kill a fetus not so much. Unwanted babies are a bad thing. Abortion is a way to prevent unwanted babies. It is legal. You have a problem with that. Ok change the law then, quit judging people who go that route. You are not their moral guidepost, even if you wish you were. I am very pleased to be alive even though I have to question my judgement in letting this exchange stoop to this level of stupidity
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Well, if you're happy to be alive, you owe that to your parents not choosing to abort you. You're alive because your parents chose life for you. So why are you so eager to allow other parents to choose death for their children?

No, I'm not a moral guidepost. There is none, any more. People have chosen to let their feelings determine their morals, as you have. What you feel to be right, for you, that is what is right. Okay; so tell me: how DO we determine right vs wrong? Answer me, since you clearly know.
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"You're alive because your parents chose life for you. So why are you so eager to allow other parents to choose death for their children?"

Simple man. I was a wanted baby. I am all for allowing unwanted babies to be aborted. Until the pro-lifers agree to adopt all unwanted babies I will hold this opinion. Parents of unwanted babies are unfit parents. Prevent unwanted babies and you will prevent the unfit parents of those aborted fetuses.
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I'm genuinely curious now: how do we determine right vs wrong? You neglected to answer that.

"Unwanted." "Wanted." So whether a child lives or died depends on whether or not the parents WANT it or not?

Okay. At what point does a fertilized egg cell become human?
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4 ups, 1 reply
And if you think there are too many humans, I suggest you volunteer to be the first to end your own life and help decrease the surplus population.
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"It is legal" is not a good reason to keep something legal. Slavery was legal, rounding up political dissidents was legal (in some countries), rounding up people to kill them was also legal. If there are enough people in the world, then why do Westerners have to resort to being on long lists to adopt people...from other parts of the world rather than being able to get a local baby? Unfortunately you are analyzing a serious topic from a very shallow viewpoint. You view the baby as an inconvenience, which I guess shouldn't be too surprising because you appear to view humans as an inconvenience as well. (So do regimes which kill lots of people by the way--just thought I'd let you know what kind of company you're in.) People who are pro-life recognize the personhood of the unborn child and that's what they're fighting for. Pro-choicers seem to have this idea that life begins at first breath, which I find intriguingly hypocritical since no one would say it's all right to kill a premature baby born at, say, 6 months, yet it's perfectly fine to have an abortion up until 8.9 months. Anyway, people like you are actually frightening. I hope you don't end up in some job where the welfare of people is dependent on you in any way, you'd probably see it as a good thing if you contributed to a decrease in the population in some subtle way.
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3 ups, 1 reply
This is an overly emotional topic for you I see. Good luck
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3 ups, 2 replies
Yeah, I actually put some thought into serious topics, unlike other people.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Why don't you put some thought into that tool who drove his car into a crowd of people and murdered a woman in her twenties...?
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4 ups, 2 replies
That has something to do with this discussion how exactly? And guys can't have opinions on abortions?...lol. Keep drinking your feminist Kool-Aid. By the way, Heather Heyer was 32.
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I don't think it's necessarily feminist to feel as though men shouldn't be able to dictate what women do with their bodies. I mean it takes two to tango. Birth control and contraceptives fail all the time. Men don't have to take pills that are potentially harmful to their bodies, or go through morning sickness, or deal with the nine months of body changes or the birth which, btw, can kill a woman. And if he's particularly special, he can bug out on the 18 years that come afterwards. All of the responsibility, blame and pressure is put on women in this scenario, not to mention the finger pointing if the kid grows up to do something horrible. Men can skip, men can be irresponsible, men can bail out. So why should they get to make unilateral decisions that affect women like this?
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You're talking about murder, no? Opine away. Just know that your opinion means squat until you're able to push someone the size of a watermelon out of an orifice the size of a friggin grape...
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If the idea of pushing a watermelon out of your grape-sized hole frightens you so much, maybe you should take some responsibility before you allow a sausage to fill you up with Cheese Whiz. I mean, how many more contraceptive methods need to be on the market? And how does a dumb mistake equate to taking a human life to correct it?
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Don't strain too much with your insults. Good luck
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of course they're not going to say that someone with a disability is a burden, because its the truth and it hurts, parents have favorite children but that doesn't mean they'll tell anyone who it is. I hate to say it but disabled but people are burdens, mentally, physically and financially, its a shit life for the parent and the child and the parent thinks they're being noble or strong but really its weak to not terminate a child that will need help for most of their life, that child will go though hell just so the parent feels better about not aborting a fetus that has no idea of its possible existence
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People with down syndrome are not parasites who can't function well in society. They are perfectly fine and lead perfectly successful lives.
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It is good when that happens. Putting a hurt baby out of his misery. I'm talking about the people who have an "accident" and then abort it. That's terrible. Even if the baby is completely healthy, they'll abort. The bad outweighs the good with abortion
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3 ups, 2 replies
Whether the baby is completely healthy or not is a side issue IMO. The parents may not have the financial means to raise the child. Downtown Chicago would be like a war zone if all the abortions performed there were eliminated.
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3 ups, 2 replies
That sucks for them! They ended a perfectly good life. You would not be here right now if you were aborted. This baby, this healthy, good, baby that had a full life to live, dead because of these heartless bastards that kill them. What terrible people!
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Oh well. It is legal and I am glad it is legal
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Chicago is already a warzone even with abortions. lol
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Abortion isn't murder, but it's still preventing a human from starting life, so it could be wrong. However we should at least try to help eliminate the reasons for abortion rather than just ban it.
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Good message. I just wish abortion weren't necessary in today's society. Unfortunately, just like the war on drugs, "JUST SAY NO" doesn't work.
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Let's just hope this person actually was joking lol...
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and yet, its legal, so in the eyes of the law its perfectly just, though after all morality IS merely a set of opinions shared by many
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As for the abortion matter... I don't know. Thank you to autocorrect for changing don;t to don't.
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I think they that they should raise the age of abortion to 9 months, you know just enough time to give the parents a test run. Would that make pro-choice happier?
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I suppose most of the comments are from male users. They are so great discussing things they have and will never experience(d) - reminds my of an old man (the pope) banning contraception.
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