College Liberal

You keep coming up with great ones!

Talk about the 'cold war'...

I have yet to meet a single liberal who thinks illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote.

No id laws...subtle support

Again, I know of no liberals who support the abolition of id laws. I know some who opposed the idea that immigrants must show extra identification or else be turned down from voting, but the idea that identification laws should not even exist is not supported by anyone I know.

http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegals-to-vote-its-strictly-confidential.html/

Your savior dad it's all good for illegals to vote. Encouraged it.

False. In the interview you are referencing, the woman is not referring to illegals voting themselves; the question she asks is a hypothetical one that paraphrases the fear of many illegal immigrants who are afraid that if a family member votes (such as a child of theirs who was born on US soil,) then the government will investigate who the voter is to the extent that they (the illegals who are NOT voting) can be traced and identified by the feds as unauthorized residents and subsequently deported. She asks that if she (a US citizen) votes in the election, will authorities come and deport members of her family who may be illegal. Hence why Obama points out that, "when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote." Obama then goes on to say that, "Part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school, who may not have a voice; who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."

And also, please don't refer to Obama as my "savior," as I view him as no such figure.

Lol. Whatever you want to believe. If you watch the video, he's clearly encouraged illegals to vote. The fact that you have to use parentheses (to explain what he meant) just helps my argument (the truth).

I have watched the video. In fact, I watched the whole video; not just the small excerpt that is frequently shown, that neglects to include the part where Obama says that "If you have a family member who may be undocumented," you have have extra incentive to vote, because you are representing family members who "can't legally vote." And no, my use of parentheses does absolutely nothing to help your argument. The fact that I "have to use" parentheses could just as easily be, if anything, a demonstration of your lack of context and understanding. Saying that he "clearly encouraged illegals to vote" is in fact an exemplary indication that you likely don't understand the context, or what he meant.

Wow.
The question she asks is clearly should (undocumented) illegals be scared to vote. He responds no.
You should watch the video again.
To say otherwise is just mind boggling.
Either way sith gave you more evidence.

Here is the unedited video
https://youtu.be/oLLt-a6dI_0

Indeed. I'm not saying that some liberals don't. My statement serves both to point out the severe over-generalization, and as an invitation for evidence, which Natalie then provided.

"Severe over-generalization". Lol. Again, more anecdotal evidence. You have nothing to support your claim of that. However, liberals ARE trying to get rid of photo ID rules in multiple states:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/22/why-liberals-hate-voter-id-requirements/

And here is a hidden camera video from California showing people signing a fake petition to let illegals vote:

https://youtu.be/q63h59hFcX0

Next time, try to remember that opinions don't count as evidence. :/

Thank you for the information you provided. I especially like that the hidden camera guy leaves no ambiguity as to what the people are signing up for.

Anyway, I have yet to state any opinion as to what some liberals do/don't believe. You are assuming. Besides, if someone posted a meme that pictured a "redneck" in a Make America Great Again hat, stating that the Trump voter "doesn't believe homosexuals deserve full human rights," it would likely be downvoted into oblivion by people who consider it an ignorant and slanderous misrepresentation of Trump supporters or conservatives in general. I'm sure they wouldn't pass up an opportunity to point out the idiocy of the meme.

You already admitted to using anecdotal evidence. You tried to debunk this meme and failed miserably. Now you're playing games and trying to dance your way out of looking foolish.

Debate? As far as the subject of liberal opinion goes, I have argued nothing against you; our discussion has centered around you accusing me of things I never did, and which I even pointed out are, by their very nature, nonsensical. As for Natalie's discussion on what the former president said, I provided the fact of what Obama actually said, to which she replied with an opinion. You keep claiming that I'm trying to "debunk" this meme. What exactly does this meme claim that you think I am trying to debunk? This is a question you have refused to answer in every comment.

"you won't provide evidence for Natalie's completely unsubstantiated claim"

I showed an article that PROVED there are multiple states trying to abolish ID laws. Did you already forget? Just because you don't know anyone who does, doesn't count as EVIDENCE. Nobody cares about yout anecdotal evidence because it's NOT evidence.

Lol you are so worked up over this meme. Hahaha!

"then it fails to mention that not all liberals believe that illegals should be allowed to vote, nor can it claim that all liberals believe the election influenced by Russia."

It's a meme, it didn't claim that all liberals think this way and doesn't HAVE TO.

Yes, you showed me proof that some people want to abolish certain forms of identification. But nothing that suggests that voter identification laws should not even exist, which was my point. Additionally, as I have already said, my anecdote is not an evidential one. And you have even resorted to the "you're so triggered hur-ba-dur bla bla bla" thing. Hilarious. It's especially funny coming from someone who literally just threatened to report me.

"Again, I know of no liberals who support the abolition of id laws."

For the FIFTH time, I've PROVEN that there are. No "severe over-generalization" here. Nice try though.

Fist of all, the topic of voter identification laws is not implicit in the content of the meme, and secondly, Natalie implied that liberals want there to be "no id laws." I responded, as the rest of my comment shows, that I know of no liberals (or conservatives, for that matter) who believe "that identification laws should not even exist." that was my point. Nice try though.

Yeah, which I proved to be TRUE. Multiple states wanting to abolish the requirement of a photo ID.

The article you listed does not say that anyone is trying to remove all forms of Id; it simply aims to expand what forms of identification that are acceptable. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it still does not seek to remove the identification system entirely.

Funny how everyone else on this thread came here to enjoy the meme except you..you're going on 20 comments here bitching about it but you aren't trolling or triggered? Lol riiiight.

Takes two to argue, my friend. I even upvoted the meme, not to mention all your and Natalie's comments. And neither will I un-upvote them, nor will I respond to your petty vengeance in kind. I appreciated the evidence you provided, and thanked you for it. You then accused me of things I never did or said, and when I asked what you were talking about, you dragged it all down into a bizarre shithole of irrelevant burbling, repeatedly misquoting me and saying I claimed things I never did. I followed along because I was bored. Perhaps following along out of boredom does constitute a kind of "trolling," but since you kept it going, I assumed you must be equally as bored as I was. But then you reported me! "haha, ur soooo triggered, hahah... by the way, I'm telling on you!" LOL. Laughed pretty hard at that. Guess I enjoyed the meme after all :)

I said not to bother responding unless you could provide evidence to back up your stance. Do you have reading comprehension problems? Quit trying to muddy the waters here and move on. Nice try though!

It is impossible to provide explicit evidence that something does not exist. The association between liberals and wanting there to be "no voter id" is a bold one, and one for which I have seen no evidence. Feel free to provide any evidence to the contrary; in fact, if you have such evidence, I implore you to share it, as Natalie did not do. But as things stand, all I can say is that I am unaware of any such evidence. Nor can I provide positive evidence and hope to prove a negative. The burden of proof, as always, is on the one making the assertion, not the person questioning it.

Any more replies will be considered trolling and reported.

I can use evidence and logic to disprove evidence that is cited to support the proposed existence of something, but I cannot use evidence to prove that something does not exist. To do so would be to prove a negative, which is against the laws of logic. But it looks like I'm gonna get flagged as a "troll" now because you won't provide evidence for Natalie's completely unsubstantiated claim, instead asking me to do something I would have thought you should know is logically impossible. Pathetic.

"But nothing that suggests that voter identification laws should not even exist"

Nobody claimed that any liberals want that. All she said was "id laws".
Dumbass.

Actually, she said "no id laws."

I said PHOTO ID. You're either retarded or trolling. Take your triggered bitching somewhere else.

Yes, you specified photo id; Natalie didn't. Not to mention that part of what they're asking for is that expired photo ids be accepted.

And there you go again, calling me triggered. Adorable. It's like you're parodying yourself. You're the one who's swearing, calling me names, and who threatened to report me. But I'M triggered? That's funny. Have you noticed that I've been upvoting all of your comments? lol

Uh-oh! looks like someone got triggered and reported me! I wonder who it could be!? ahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Who's triggered now mate?!

You claimed this meme was a "Severe over-generalization". You have provided NOTHING to support your stance but anecdotal evidence and your opinions. I on the other hand have provided evidence to the contrary. Next time bring actual evidence. Unless you have some do not bother replying to this message. Good day.

Assuming that the meme takes a "this is what's wrong with liberals" approach, by trying to invalidate people who believe the Russians interfered with the election by pointing out it's hypocritical to also believe that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, then it fails to mention that not all liberals believe that illegals should be allowed to vote, nor can it claim that all liberals believe the election influenced by Russia. not to mention the fact that some conservatives also believe that they attempted attempted interfere with the election as well. This, by definition, is an over-generalization.

It's all good, buddy. There are other memes to comment on. I appreciate your input. :D

That is very generous of you, and I appreciate it :) I'd post a lovely little meme comment, but looks like someone reported me :P At least you, for one, have good meme etiquette :3

:) back at cha.

:3

The meme did not offend me. Not in the least.

This is why I won't get started with you. Pointless. We can show you alllllll the evidence it the world, and you refuse to see it. Very sad..

If you could be bothered to read the comments, you would see that I acknowledged renegade_sith's evidence and even thanked him for it. As for your refusal to answer the simplest of questions on the other meme (which I mistakenly thought was one you posted,) I did not deny a single thing the meme said in the least. I asked, however, what the point of it was, and you responded with a series of irrelevant replies and refused to answer.

You're an ok guy. You and people like you are what I never want to be. You'll defend Obama no matter what. If trump screws up, like when he bombed Syria, we'll call him out.

No, I will not defend Obama no matter what. I can't say I even especially like him. I don't necessarily dislike him, but I am well aware of his many faults and failures.

Both myself and natalie showed evidence that supports the legitimacy of this meme. You have contributed nothing to the discussion besides your opinion.

Natalie's interpenetration of what Obama said is as much an opinion as anything I have said. I, on the other hand, was at least willing to quote all the ways Obama indicated that he was referring to legal Latino citizens. You, however, provided much better evidence, for which I thanked you. Furthermore, the very idea of the meme being "legitimate" or "illegitimate" is essentially nonsensical; it doesn't even make any kind of explicit claim. And nor, for that matter does my comment on it.

Anecdotal evidence for what?

Lol whatever you say man. Here you are trying so hard to debunk this meme, yet you're unable to provide any evidence besides your opinions and feelings apparently and going on rants about the site leaning pro-Trump.

I reiterate, I have yet to make any claim that no liberal believes illegals should be allowed to vote. Nor have I expressed any feelings. And no, I'm not ranting about imgflip leaning pro-Trump.

You're the one who misquoted and wrongfully assumed things and bitched about the meme for 20 comments. Thanks for admitting to being a troll though. Sad!

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If replaying to your comments because I'm bored is trolling, then I guess I'm guilty; but I could only assume you were doing the same. After all, the majority of my comments have not been about the meme, but rather replies to you complaining about me; you spoke accusingly, I replied until you stooped to reporting me. And how did I know you were going to call me triggered again? It's hilarious; almost stereotypical. Have another upvote, my friend -- you've worked for it :)

What no meme comment? Aww. :D

Guess you'll just have to use your imagination ;)

*says Steve Harvey, shrugging indeterminately*

While I accept the claim that it is not a mainstream liberal position, the claim that you "have yet to meet a single liberal" who holds that position either demonstrates isolation, dishonesty, or willful ignorance.

Well, to address the chance that I'm being dishonest or willfully ignorant, All I can really say to potentially allay your concern is that I don't identify myself as a "liberal." As for isolation, it's hard to determine. I did live in New Mexico for ten years, where I met a lot of (likely) illegal immigrants, but ironically, the idea of an illegal immigrant voting in a presidential election seemed alien to them (no pun intended.) They didn't identify as "American" after all, and they too come from a nation in which they probably wouldn't want non-citizens their elections either.

But at the end of the day, my sample size is only in the hundreds; I guess the chances that I've yet to know any who happen to take the political stance at hand is, though potentially unlikely, still very possible.