Those Are The 10 Magical Elements From My Story, Only That Anyone Who Can Count Sees My Problem Already. Any Ideas?

Thunder or is it lightning? There's no electricity on there, or could do heart/spirit like Capitan planet. Like in Wicca, spirit is one if the five element thingies

thunder is just a fancy name for lightning. Soul/Heart/Spirit is actually an ancient, long-forgotten art; would be kinda weird if it was one of the 10 most basic magical arts right? still thank you though :)

thunder is not the same as lightning at all!

i know the difference, but in fiction they're often used to discribe the same thing. also, it's about magic, which is often inspired by mytholegy and how many lightning gods do you know, as opposed to thunder gods?

Well, you have one combo already Fire + Earth = Smoke
Why not other choices
Dark + Light = Shadow
Earth + Water = ooze
Wind + Water = Mist
Wind + Earth = Dust
Or
Magnetism
Gravity
Sound

smoke isn't a combo, it's an umbrellaterm for every airbourne partical
shadow and gravity are applications of darkness
magnetism and sound are disciplins created by comebining 2 or more elements

Smoke can be thought of as a combo as it is the product of the combustion(fire) of a fuel(earth). Gravity has ZERO to do with photonic activity. Shadow can't be an application of darkness alone, because you can't have a shadow without light, proving it IS a combo of light and dark.

Too be honest, except for your Earth, fire, water, air (wind), light and darkness, the others are retarded. (ice, thunder, smoke) I was only trying to help, but if you are just going to tool my suggestions, I'll remind you that lightning is the electrical component and thunder the acoustical effect of lightning, so thunder as solely a noise, is the most ridiculous, and if your story is as bad as that concept, it will fail as badly as Nazi love stories would.

also: if you combine fire and earth, you get lava: FLAMES(fire) that melt ROCKS(earth), that sounds a little more obvious than smoke too me...

I think this is better than what I suggested, maybe fire+earth+air would be a better formula for smoke.

sorry for not responding in a while, didn't feel like it. anyway maybe you should know that one of my major philosophys in life is to strike a blance between two opposites instead of deciding on one extrem and i wanted to reflect that in my writing (hence the inconcistancys). another one would be that every bad person can be rehabilitaded if THEY want to, because of that you're version of darkness-magic wouldn't work in my story (you would always have to be atleast an antihero to use it so a "pure" hero or a rehabed villain who doesn't want to fall back, but happens to be skilled at darkness-magic would be kinda screwed). not saying that you're version is a bad one, just saying it depends one the authors writing style.

"sorry for not responding in a while, didn't feel like it."
LOL, no sweat off my back, I was just trying to help.

just thought it would seem weird to you if i just stop talking to you after being critizised (as if i was fed up by you trying to help me) and then simply came back like nothing happened (though nothing did happen)

Good luck!

a bit of an off-topic question (still relates to the one at hand though) that i've been wondering: why is darkness asociated with evil in the first place? never got that

Perhaps the conotations with "hidden things" and the "unknown". Anything could be going on in the dark, as opposed to the light of day.

dude you don't need to insult me, i was just correcting you! also: i had to make some libertys with darknessmagic anyway and i'm well-aware of how lightning works, thunder is just what i decided to call it because it sounds cool!

I didn't insult you. I insulted what you said. Big difference. And you did not correct me, because what you said is factually wrong. For example "smoke isn't a combo, it's an umbrellaterm for every airbourne partical" Mist (water vapor particles) is not smoke, but is composed of airborne particles. Snow is airborne particles also not smoke.

This "shadow and gravity are applications of darkness" is just ridiculous, but you already admitted that.

and since thunder is sound, you disqualified it yourself with this "magnetism and sound are disciplins created by comebining 2 or more elements"

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I have an extensive science background and am also an aspiring fantasy author. If you fail to have logical consistency, your readers will notice and you will fail.

ok let's just pretend the insulting bit never happened: first of by "smoke is an umbrellaterm" i meant smoke-MAGIC, i'm totally aware that this isn't the case in real life, i just didn't want to call it "smoke and steam magic" (i do have to admit, shitty wordchoice on my part :/)

second: before we go into detail about darkness magic, how do you think the art of controling something that doesn't exist (darkness isn't a thing, it's the lack-there-of: light) should work?

lastly: thunder is just a fancyway to say "electricity", you aren't the first to confuse that though, so maybe i should have clarified that better...(my bad)

"ok let's just pretend the insulting bit never happened" - done, I'm not really thin skinned anyhow.
Well, you seem to be going back and forth in how you are treating these. What I mean is you use "smoke-magic" and treat it like it's own thing, yet then you say "darkness" isn't it's own thing, despite the extensive fantasy history of darkness magic, where it is the representation of negative material forces/power. So, I think darkness magic should be treated the same way, as a negative energy, life draining, etc.

the more logically consistent the underpinnings of your milieu are, the better your story will be.

well by "darkness" i mean actuall darkness, i don't wanna give any of these elements a good-and-evil quality so making darkness negative would kinda beat the point (one of my heroes actually uses darkness, can you imagine a good guy slowly draining someones lifeforce? super out of character!). +i don't get what you mean by "i'm going back and forth"?

Well, I didn't mean to imply a darkness=evil thing, more like there are positive ions (energy) and negative ions (energy) or a basis in a plane of light energy, and it's opposite dark energy. It doesn't have to be evil to use darkness as a negative energy. Besides, it would be a good act to drain the life force of an evil rampaging monster, no?

I meant going back and forth in how you were describing them. In one case you were bordering on logic/science, and it the other, illogic/random fantasy.

okay get it (though for that lifedraining thing, i'd say that a hero would punch a monster ko instead: quick,(relativly) painless, non-lethal)

as for how i explain smoke and darkness: i was inspired by another magic-system with water and ice magic,so i kinda thought having water in it's gas state aswell would make a lot of sense (only that controling an invisible gas would A.) be kinda lame and B.) pretty unnecessarry do to wind, so i went with steam instead) and then i thought that it may seem a little underwhelming in compairison to the other elements, so i gave it the ability to control all airbourne particals( at this point "smoke" and "steam" would both be accurate names, and i just lkied smoke a little more). darkness is conceptually meant to counter light, as you suggested (though it's not simply the art of everything good either) but there's one problem: darkness doesn't exist (for reasons i've already explained) and i actually have this magic system grounded in basic science (which means any magic that just created something new is impossible) so i came up with shadow-matter: a (obviously) fictional substanse that darkness-users can synthesise from the matter around them and which has increased mass, all it's applications can be derived from there and i'd happily fill you in on the details if you want to

This is yet some more of what I meant about back and forth (not trying to be critical, just trying to show the inconstancy) You look at darkness first the way you should for a fantasy story "countering light" then you flip to real world science where it is merely the absense of light. you need to look at it more on the fantasy aspect of it's own thing, where you can concentrate darkness, or liquify it or solidify it to make it it's own fantasy element.

Soferratu realized that when that bonfire had been lit, suddenly his party was quite exposed to the hordes of orc archers across the chasm. Thinking quickly, he reached into his bag of holding and drew forth a bottle of shadowvesence, and threw it into the heart of the fire. Almost instantly, though the heat of the flames revealed the bonfire continued to burn, the vial of liquid darkness had extinguished all the light as if a veil had been draped over the entire affair.

How about just nine, and the tenth ultimate power, is all of them combined?

there actually is an ultimate magic: sephiroth, the ten original things (jewish mytholegy). that means your idea (though appreciated, of course) wouldn't work out numberwise

update: element found, it's plasma. if you still want to submit ideas, i won't stop you, but help isn't needed anymore. thanks to everyone who suggested something and in advance if anyone is going to ;)

What about Solar? Like,people who use Solar magic,using it to heal people and ect?

maybe with a different name? having light and solar seems a little awkward...

also: can it be used offensivly?

Silence

How Is Silence An Element?

I was going off of Thunder. Assuming that's like "sound", the reverse would be silence.

How about "Void", you know, like nothingness.

i've researched the void idea and it doesn't really apeal to me :( it can't be used offensivly and has hax OP defense, it also can't be used outside of combat (granted that point isn't too important to me, but it would still be neat) and finally it just breaks my worldbuilding: all magic is based at least a little bit on science ( i've made up a whole bunch of lore, just so darkness makes sence) and there's no such thing as "nothingness" scientifically speaking.

No problem. Another source you might look into is White Wolf Publishing's "Mage: The Ascension". Your idea reminded me of that somewhat.

And I was having a Simon and Garfunkel moment when I wrote that...

I have almost all of these elements.

any idea for a new one?

Song or sound?

thats an advanced disciplin, something else?

Metal.

took some thinking, but that would be super similar to magnet-magic (another advanced disciplin) and that is already difficult to work with, so adding something else that only differs in nuances is just gonna be confusing

Just spit balling here.. Radiation? Stone/magma? Wood? Gems/ any kind? Crystals? Any element- Gold/ Iron/ - or Oxygen? x-rays? gamma rays? Mercury? Plasma? Just off the cuff!! GL amigo!

thought about your ideas alot, here's a lightning round of opinion: Radiation; how should that be used other than causing cancer? (and if you mean electromagnetic, that's light) stone; is actually the most common application of earth. magma; advanced disciplin (basically whatever can be learned by mastering 2 or more elements) gems/crystals; no idea how that would differ from ice, other than a few details. gold/iron; look at the suggestion above you (granted, that doesn't really apply to gold, but i can't think of nything good with that spiciffically) oxygen; like inferior wind? x-rays; same as the beginning. Mercury; same as the other metals (though it is very different from them, there is also a problem with poisin-magic, i'll explain that one if you like) plasma; THAT is a good one, but i'll need a more in-depth explaination from you- THX amigo!

update: plasma it is, thanks for the help

how is blood different from water?

I don't know. Ask Count Dracula...

maybe this looks a little more annoyed then planned...

I liked the void suggestion. Or you could try plant, flesh, animal.. Something organic if earth is reserved for inorganic

well i can't really use plant because you already get that kind of power from chaos-fruits (basically alien-eggs... it's not a pure fantasy...) and having a common power and a rare power do the same thing would de-mystify things

animal: i'm not sure if being able to control even semi-self-aware being wouldn't be a little OP

flesh: maybe blood instead, but you've probably seen that suggestion up there already

Now I wanna read this when its done.

Also did acid get mentioned? Anything with a corrosive effect yet?

there's a thought-to-be-impossible art based on poison, that the main-villain gets... i guess acid would be a part of that

also: good that you're interested, it means a lot to me (giant thank you, basically), it's called "brave world" just so you know it when you see it (incase no-one else has the same name idea, before i can puplish it)