i get ya, jying. it's makes perfect sense to me (i'm not fond of people posting jokes i've heard for decades, AND misusing a favored template, but like you said, a little goading is a motivator) -BUT- i made my post for the people who DO take their meme-nazi'ing too far xP and i knew you'd make something good with the ince-philo-ption template... i'm gonna go find it now XD