Love it. All the democrats have proven is that they are a group of mentally unstable morons with a penchant for violence when they don’t get their way. When was the last time a bunch of republicans rioted? Ummm never.
2) He wasn't rioting. He threatened someone's life.
Idiots exist on both sides, but there are entire groups of idiots on the left that use violence on a daily basis to push their crap on others. But many of these so-called protesters that are protesting the conformation are paid actors. This is their job.
"Testimonials: Laurence Spears
"I was a broke college student but now I protest professionally and bring in over $7,000 a week. I was even the President's 'Black Guy' at one event! How cool is that?!""
Repubs are neo Nazis in the same way that Dems are "mentally unstable morons with a penchant for violence". My post about James Patrick shows how they don't really own that market..... However the repubs definitely own the neo-nazi market. Not all repubs are Nazis.. but all Nazis are repubs.
Only idiots on your side are killing people. And I'm not talking about one person. Multiple people on your side have killed dozens of people. This guy is just one person added to a long list of violent Republicans. Wake up. The violence comes from your side. Why do you think Republicans keep talking about a civil war? Not because of Democrats. Because of the ignorant hotheaded Republicans.
Neo-Nazism is a far right ideology. It's not the same thing as conservatism, but far left ideologies aren't the same thing as liberalism or progressivism either. Comparing Neo-Nazis with mainstream conservatives is just as wrong as comparing radical leftists with mainstream liberals.
There's a spectrum from the far left to the far right. Most people are in the middle section (like a bell curve), but some people are on the fringe left and others are on the fringe right.
How is naziism right wing? Its core programs are socialist - programs for the people, free healthcare, free radios, free cars. It's right-wing because they were racist? Sorry but that logic isn't sound. Does that make leftist groups that rage against whites the "far right"? There was nothing "right wing" about the nazis. Their beliefs are completely antithetical to conservative views in america. They were atheist, anti-capitalism, pro-socialism(so long as it wasn't of the communist variety), and anti-democracy. Sorry but your slander is getting old.
Nazism is right wing because that's what it was. They had conservative views long left behind by today's so-called conservatives, and that the alt right is trying to revive.
Further, the National Socialist German Workers Party was Socialist in name only shortly after Hitler took the reins. His brand was national and xenophobic, as opposed to the international aspirations of socialism.
Hate to spoil it for you, but free market Capitalism is actually something of a liberal progressive development, a radical departure from traditional state controlled and protected markets. Liberated laissez faire internationally open markets vs protectionism was one of those new fangled things espoused by the fledgling USA.
Sorry to break it to you but "liberals" of 100-300 years ago have virtually nothing in common with modern liberalism. It's conservatives defending the ideology that was espoused by the founding fathers and those who followed them for more than a century of US policy. The party was socialist in name only? So all those programs I mentioned are fake news because they don't agree with your f**king story? Get f**king real. "His brand was national and xenophobic." What was the soviet brand? All hugs and kisses towards the west? You're so full of shit its beyond the pale.
What Nazis did 80 yrs ago in Germany is about the German people and about their society at that time. My concern today is the state of our society, the aspects of Nazism that are being embraced by white supremacists, the way Neo-Nazis idealize Hitler, the violent fantasies they have of going to war with blacks, gays and Jews, not to mention their obsession with guns.
The bottom line is Neo-Nazis identify themselves with the Republican Party, not the Green Party, not the Democrats. Why? Because you all share ideologies *in common.*
Neo nazis are republican for the same reason that many communists vote democrat. SOME things align, and they know they haven't got a chance in hell of winning an election running on their full platform. Does that mean every democrat is a stalin worshipping nutbag? no. but they exist. The end goal of Neo-nazis and the end goal of american conservatives DO NOT ALIGN. we're just less of a shitty option in their minds than democrats are. In case you forgot, it's the right that is constantly defending the constitution. You think Nazis give a flying f**k about the US constitution? really?
I never said they were right wing because they were racist, although racism is much more of a conservative than a liberal position. They were right wing because they were incredibly nationalistic. They blamed groups they didn't like for the economic and social problems in their country.
And what proof do you have that they were atheistic?
The Soviet Union spanned Europe and Asia, and had satellites in the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas, with the ultimate goal of uniting the workers of the world, as per Marx.
Not nationalism, internationalism, albiet under a Communist framework.
Try looking up "Nationalism" and "Communism" before you mutilate them.
And yes, the Soviet Union was rigidly right wing and extremely conservative.
You actually believe the communists were still pursuing the internationalist idea in the SU? Even after the fallout with communist china, including military conflict? History has some words for you. The soviets were NATIONALIST. The only internationalism they were interested in was the kind where they ruled over the other communist nations. Or are you going to sit there and try to pretend they gave equal say to the members of the warsaw pact and didn't completely dominate them. The SU was an imperialist nation, regardless what bullshit propaganda they peddled about an international worker's revolution. Any hope they ever had of that communist vision died with Lenin.
Glad to see you know what "appeals to american conservatives" despite the fact that in every debate/argument/verbaldiarrhea I've been unfortunate enough to see you post in you show a complete lack of understanding of anything conservative. You make up excuses of why left-wing organizations aren't left wing then attribute things to conservatives they've never believed.
Good point, except that the Soviet Union was conservative in the sense that it, like most other communist countries, was anti-intellectualism. Intellectuals tend to promote progressive ideas.
Look at Pol Pot in Cambodia. He drove everyone out of the cities and forced them into labour camps in the country, because he wanted an agrarian society. He was completely anti-intellectual. Nevermind the fact that he himself, like a true hypocrite, was well-educated in Paris before returning to Cambodia to take over.
Even using the French, "Khmer Rouge"... Just like Engels & Marx, bourgeoisie to the max.
Funny how we always hear here about dictators rounding up guns, when all these types round up intellectuals, political dissidents, people with alternative lifestyles, even artists, relocating or even executing them.
It's not accidental that Russians quickly flocked back to the Orthodox Church with the fall of the Soviet Union. While officially atheist, that background was still quite pronounced and not as routed as were other religions. Part of the appeal of Putin with American conservatives today is his core values stemming from this, and the growing suppression of what little liberal freedoms might wend their way into Russia.
Having been accustomed to heavy rule from above throughout its history from the Czarist days to Soviet (save a brief fling otherwise after the Bolshevik revolution), they stumbled adapting to a Representative Democracy, and are retreating back to form now.
This also has been the problem in the Middle East - a history of monarchs ruling over a rigidly religious public, finding difficulty in transitioning to a more liberal society that fosters individuality.
Incidentally, the same phenomenom can be witnessed with the extreme right in America and the cult of Trump - same mentality, preferring backwards looking top heavy goverment control over independent thought, living, responsibility, and progress.
Trump controlling every facet of things? Cutting government programs and reducing regulation is tightening control? Are you serious? Trump is LESS autocratic than Obama was. Yet somehow you guys keep on going on this bit about how he tries to control things. Mind boggling, really. I guess forcing healthcare down someone's throat isn't controlling,but trying to make private schools an option for those who don't like public education is? Creating strict environmental regulations and forcing the nation to adapt them(regardless of whether a good idea or bad) isn't controlling, but slashing those regulations so that businesses can do business the way they see fit is?
It's really hard to debate seriously when you essentially refuse to let anything bad be related with your ideas, regardless of whether there is truth to it or not. First, Nazis are right wing because they're nationalists. Communists get shown to be nationalists as well, so communism is now right wing as well? Are you serious? And actually, modern liberals seem to only promote intellectuals that speak to what they enjoy. If you're a conservative academic or intellectual get ready to be screamed or protested off the stage. I haven't seen american conservatives stopping leftists from speaking in public en masse. Who is really anti-intellectual? The side that supports free speech or the side that thinks their truth is more important than the truth?
If both sides are guilty of it, you can't use it as an argument as to why the nazis were right-wing :) Might have seemed like I was getting off the original topic but this all was trying to frame the original bit. Other than the part about Trump taking control. That was unrelated, just something I threw out there because he hasn't tightened control at all. He's loosened it.
Buuut this all stemmed from nationalism not being a right-wing specific ideology. You mentioned that the soviets were conservative because they're anti-intellectual, I pointed out that that is not a strictly conservative trait. What then about the nazis IS similar to the modern american right wing that the modern american left is not also guilty of? I'll suggest we don't count things both sides do that the nazis also did. That leaves us with what does each side have in common with them but not their modern opposition, yeah? I will say that the modern left and the nazis had socialism in common, as well as belief in government control and management of the economy, though those two things go somewhat together. The modern right has I guess belief in tight immigration control, though not in nearly the same way.
That guy didn't school anyone but himself, thanks. He repeatedly said "they followed socialist policies" or talked about soviet benefits, then wrote them off. Repeatedly pointed out that they're fascist, but didn't explain what made fascism right or left wing. His argument is full of holes and not worth its weight in bits
I think they would prefer her just step down like she's been promising to do for awhile now. If she steps down, I agree, there are lots licking their chops. But, that happens on both sides. Ya gotta admit, Democrats thought the last two and the next two were going to be their pick. That has much to do with the last two years of upheaval.
That's the problem. No matter who is in government half of the country is upset. We need someone that sees both sides and can use the best of both while ditching the bad of both. Compromise. We need an independent that isn't too old and doesn't take money from the rich. The problem is those that go against the rich get assassinated in broad daylight during their parades. Personally... I'd rather let AI take over. At least they'd have one goal and it wouldn't be screw the people and keep all their money for yourself. Pretty sure that's why they all go into politics.