Its Pride Month again? AKA Unimportant Narcissist Month..... oh joy!

Corporations pretend to care about a group of people for a small part of the year. And you think that means oppression doesn't exist.

How many politicians are saying they want to pass laws that would make it illegal for straight people to marry each other?

Marriage is a religious institution. Gays can get a civil union which is legally the same thing without the religious connotations.

Marriage is issued by the government. Just because there are religious traditions around marriage doesn't make it a religious institution. That would mean people who aren't religious couldn't get married

No. Marriage predates government by several thousand years.

The facts don't agree with them...

In today's society, marriages are determined by the government as far as who can get married and making it legal. Religion is not necessary for two people to get married.

Marriage is a religious institution stolen by government. This was done way back in Roman times. If you aren't religiously married its not real Marriage. Is just people signing a paper that has tax implications. Because a non religious Marriage can be dissolved with another signing of papers.

Marriage is a social institution, sometimes used by religion and sometimes not. Marriage by itself is not inherently religious. People who are not religious can get married and it is still a marriage by definition.

Saying it's not "real marriage" is just a lame attempt to try to control what the word means for everybody

Marriage is meaningless without a religious view because you can leave it with no penalties and there's no real binding reason to it. Within the framework of religion like Christianity it is a holy sanctification between three people and lasts until death do you part.

Marriage predates religion by several million years.

marriage emerged from human needs for stable reproduction, kinship, and cooperation in stateless prehistoric societies. Governments came later, building upon (and often formalizing) these pre-existing social bonds rather than creating them. This perspective is supported by archaeology, anthropology, and evolutionary biology, even as specific customs evolved over time.

Religion has existed for nearly the entire span of human history. Both came about at around the same time.

Pair bonding between humans emerged out of the female needing assistance with raising offspring that take exceedingly far longer to reach maturity than an any other animal. It's why human females can engage in sexual activities outside of their cycle and have exaggerated breasts and buttocks and whatever other curves that go with them which give the illusion to her mate that she is perpetually in heat, enticing him to hang around.

That's the evolutionary perspective but pair bonding isn't marriage. Marriage is a conscious commitment between partners.

No, I am not going to try your fake made up numbers.
Yahweh is the original God? On what planet? He was a Canaanite god, and they were hardly the first ones. Hebrews are their offshoot, and they adopted him as one of their own gods.

Oh yeah, I heard about that one a couple years ago.

So supposedly an earlier mention of Israelites in Canaan going back 300 years prior to 930 BC. And just as everybody already knows, the Hebrews were a Canaanite offshoot. Whether it was foreign nomads mixing with rural Canaanites, or rural Canaanites mixing with an urban group of Canaanites that gave rise to the Hebrews, nobody's sure. Heck, Yahweh was actually part of the Canaanite pantheon of Gods.

Babylon still goes back to the 18th century BC, and its roots extend back to 4100 BC.

The definitive version of the Epic of Gilgamesh goes back to 1300 BC, and it's roots go back 22100 BC.

What was your point again?
Oh that's right, you're supposed to be showing me the name Noah in said epic. How about cutting out the excess decorative fluff and just show me the name Noah in said epic.

Try 1200 BC, but close. And the stelae says they are no more so they had to predates that. Also if Yahweh is the original God, then of course the predecessors to the Israelites worshipped him.

No, there is nobody on Earth who's ever made such a claim that the Biblical depiction is older then the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Hebrews didn't even exist yet.
Quite literally the the first time I've ever ever heard such a ludicrous claim.

That just shows you don't know about history.
The earliest undisputed extra-biblical reference to "Israel" as a people comes from the Merneptah Stele (also called the Israel Stele or Victory Stele of Merneptah). This is a large granite victory inscription erected by Pharaoh Merneptah (reigned 1213–1203 BCE) in his Year 5 (~1208 BCE). It was discovered in 1896 at Thebes and is now in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.72dfe4
Key excerpt (lines 27–28, in context of a Canaanite campaign):
"Plundered is the Canaan with every evil;
Carried off is Asqaluna [Ashkelon];
Seized upon is Gezer;
Yanoam is made non-existent;
Israel is laid waste—its seed is no more."
This means they existed before that time and were known as a distinct people. That means they existed for a long time before that. That's around the same time as the babylonian empire.

I'm busy, can you show me where it says Noah?

The Epic of Gilgamesh was written well before the Bible, that's where the Hebrews got the story from.

No. The media it was written on is older. The old testament Bible wasn't written down until the babylonian occupation. Before that it was taught orally to each new generation. The biblical stories are way older than babylon.

The Epic of Gilgamesh does not mention noah, it is the story from which the flood story was derived from because it is older, far older.

It does actually mention Noah and the flood.

“Shuruppak, a city that you surely know, situated on the banks of the Euphrates, that city was very old, and there were gods inside it. The hearts of the Great Gods moved them to inflict the Flood. Their Father Anu uttered the oath (of secrecy), Valiant Enlil was their Adviser, Ninurta was their Chamberlain, Ennugi was their Minister of Canals. Ea, the Clever Prince(?), was under oath with them so he repeated their talk to the reed house: ‘Reed house, reed house! Wall, wall! O man of Shuruppak, son of Ubartutu: Tear down the house and build a boat! Abandon wealth and seek living beings! Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings! Make all living beings go up into the boat. The boat which you are to build, its dimensions must measure equal to each other: its length must correspond to its width. Roof it over like the Apsu.’”

They use different names and although the media the story is written on is older than the oldest media the Bible is written on, we know that its a later story due to the way it quotes but dilutes the story from the bible over time.

See the biblical account gives exact dimensions and explains how the animals got on the boat as well as using pitch to seal the boat.

“Just as dawn began to glow there arose from the horizon a black cloud. Adad rumbled inside of it, before him went Shullat and Hanish, heralds going over mountain and land. Erragal pulled out the mooring poles, forth went Ninurta and made the dikes overflow. The Anunnaki lifted up the torches, setting the land ablaze with their flare... The land shattered like a... pot. All day long the South Wind blew..., blowing fast, submerging the mountain in water, overwhelming the people like an attack. No one could see his fellow, they could not recognize each other in the torrent. The gods were frightened by the Flood, and retreated, ascending to the heaven of Anu. The gods were cowering like dogs, crouching by the outer wall. Ishtar shrieked like a woman in childbirth... Six days and seven nights came the wind and flood, the storm flattening the land. When the seventh day arrived, the storm was pounding, the flood was a war—struggling with itself like a woman writhing (in labor). The sea calmed, fell still, the whirlwind (and) flood stopped up.”

It appears that the epic of Gilgamesh is a merging of an earlier story called the Atrahasis and the bible.

False.

If you look at Genesis you will see it is a fairy tale that was passed around different cultures and was already old when the pyramids were new. In the original telling, the Serpent God of Knowledge was the good god, and the mean nasty jealous tyrant wrathful God who cast out his buddy the Serpent God and their pet monkey people was the bad god. And the world has been ruled by evil ever since. If you look at the Genesis tale.

And ancient people did not measure time by a single day. That is nonsense.

Eh... no sorry. Genesis predates most stories with the exception of the epic of gilgamesh, which is only older because it was inscribed in a wall. Of course the epic mentions Noah from the flood which means it must have been a real event or that Genesis is older than the epic. Take your pick.

No, they have not been debunked. The Earth is not at 6,000 years old. That's silly. You yourself were talking about humans going back millions of years just the other day.

Yes, all the dating methods they use are circularly based on the geological column. They have been found to be false by finding million year old living snail shells and carbon dating on the same samples saying thousands of years instead of millions.
And the earth isn't 6000 years old, only humanity.

If you look back at genesis God separated the light from the dark and that was the first day. The ancient people of the world didn't measure days by hours like we do today. They measured a day from sunrise to sunrise the next day.
In the first few days of genesis literal millions of years could have happened in a day. Thus causing the "millions of years" being read by radiometric dating. When they date fossils, they aren't dating the age of the creature. They are dating the age of the minerals and stone that seeped in and replaced the organic materials.

Mesopotamian and Indus Valley civilizations go back 8,000 years or more. You can't have civilizations colder than the species, guy.

You do not know when religion began. Heck, you don't even know when the species began.

No, this is from bad radiometric dating that was debunked when they found conflicting carbon amounts in the samples.

I will say I enjoyed how I managed to remind you about your pretend creationist beliefs. That was pretty cool.

"Oh, yeah, not millions of years ago, the earth is only 6,000 years old, those three extra zeros were just a typo."

Luv it

Marriage is pair bonding. And it existed before some Roman pagans declared that some Jewish rituals were theirs to corrupt and distort and steal and declare the finished product some sort of universal truth.

Remember, according to you, there is no evolution, and marriage goes back only 6,000 years. Well, in the Levant, anyways, as obviously you go a little farther out and there were populations of other people already. What do you want from a tribal god who started playing the creation game a little bit later than all the other gods did?

That's incorrect. Humans go back about 7000 years and this is generally what atheists agree with for when the modern human evolved.

Setting aside your nonsense about romans and religion. Religion came about at the same time as modern humans.

Marriage is a legal contract. It does not exist without a license certifying it.

Marriage existed long before governments recognized it and tried to regulate it. Its literally older than any modern government.

Language existed before governments. Food existed before governments. People existed before governments. Creation myths existed before government.

Marriage certificates, however, did not exist before modern government.

Marriage also existed before religion, way before Yahweh was invented. The Yahwehites did not invent marriage. Pair bonding existed before even humans evolved.

Whatever you do, never let them know that Yahweh was originally a Canaanite god. One of their pantheon of gods. They'll be terribly upset.

One too many letters. Oh well

It's funnier that way.

FACT

Pride month is fast becoming the equivalent of someone wearing one of those "I pooped today" t-shirts. Your bedroom decisions are not more important than mine and never will be. Get over yourselves narcissists.

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This is really clear, thank you 👍

Being gay or transgender isn't a decision, and nobody says they are more important than you because they are LGBTQ. You're very confused and this is probably why you're so angry, because you're upset about something you don't even understand.

Is that why they stole black history month?

You think gay people stole black history month?

I could have sworn we were in June now.

The affirmative action advocated by the Democratic Party is neither democratic nor left-wing; it is socialist ideology embedded within its policies like a Trojan horse

Great!