Seems like such a no Brainer

They've 80 / 20 on so many things, but this one takes the cake.

76% Democrats and 95% Republicans support the SAVE Act. CNN reported this and it came from the Pew Institute.

The only ones who oppose it are racists and the corrupt. They know they can win on their ideas so they have to cheat to get power. The Dems aren't quite finished obliterating your freedom and Trump has set them back a few years. They are very desperate for power and they don't care if they look like racists or idiots, they just gotta have that power and control back at all costs.

This is why Democrats are truly aweful.

All good points. Of all the lies the left has used so far, my favorite are the constitutional challenges. They pick and choose, play the state vs federal rights games and do not even blink when all the sudden they pretend to care what the constitution actually says. And they do so knowing the rules can be amended.

They don't even pretend to follow the constitution on other issues, or federal laws. The attacks on ICE and immigration in general, massive fraud and links to perverts, criminals and terrorists are reason enough to insure we challenge every election ballot.

You're fine with conservative perverts criminals and terrorists. You voted for one

Racist how?

Leftists are antisemitic. They side with Hamas. They think blacks are too stupid to get a photo ID and they have been manipulating blacks, since LBJ, teaching blacks that they can't make it in this country without them. They have been lying to them that conservatives hate them and want to oppress them.

When white leftists talk to black people they dumb their language down. White conservatives talk to blacks as equals.

I can see a day when the majority of blacks in this country will see through the leftists facade and realize that conservatives are not the enemy the left has told them they are. It's already started.

And we won't use the just to get votes. Once they realize that white conservatives are not the enemy they are still free to vote for you guys or who ever they want to. We're not going to try to use scare tactics to keep them voting for us. And it is not just blacks the left tries to scare. It is everyone one who will listen to them. And they have lots and lots of voices all trying to corral people into believing that leftists are the champions of love and compassion. Never mind the extremity of your hatred of America, freedom, conservatives and Trump.

Socialism is slavery.

Fake news

You're saying CNN is fake news? Welcome to conservatism. It's much more fun on this side.

The fact that maga is tearing down references to black people tells you they hate black people

So you're saying that redundant legislation is a good thing... unless it's about firearms and then you get all butthurt and dig in your heels?

Okay... now that you've gotten that out of your system, how about answering the question?

What’s redundant about the legislation?

On the off chance you don't see the other page, stay with me now, Bluesey... the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act mandates one prove citizenship-based eligibility to vote in federal elections. Without the SAVE Act, people still have to prove citizenship-based eligibility to vote in federal elections when they register to vote. Do you see how the SAVE Act is just create-the-illusion-of-action, busywork legislative theater?

Ok genius, please explain the process of proving citizenship based eligibility that exists in its current state. I’ll wait.

Answer me this: do you have to submit your SSN when you register to vote?

No

Oh, Bluesey... you should have looked that up because registration forms prove otherwise.

Not in my state. You have to show State Id or a SS# and in my state they issue photo ID’s to illegal aliens. Also that doesn’t cover all the resident aliens who have a photo id and a SS# but are not citizens does it.

"No it does not, illegal aliens are provided with ID’s as I have previously stated."

And that AB 60 provisional ID given to undocumented aliens records their questionable status, includes marking indicating it's not valid for federal ID purposes, correct?

"They do not have social security numbers in their name."

No-one has a SSN in their name... that would be weird, carry connotations of inmate numbers and dystopian futurism. Oh... you meant "attached to their name"... Biiiiiig difference.

"They use other peoples."

With less than 500 instances of confirmed voter fraud in the last 20 years, the numbers tend to indicate you're out on limb, engaging in unfounded alarmism, very likely repeating something you read/heard from a propagandist who used the grand total of 19 confirmed cases of illegal immigrants casting votes in Cali to gin up fear, work you like a meat-puppet, herd you like a sheep.

Everyone who has a social security number has it in their name because each number is tied to the individual. Your over literalization is just deflection.

AB60 is for driver’s licenses and it simply states “federal limits apply”. In the state it is and can be used to register to vote and many have made it on to voter rolls whether they voted or not. The state refuses to review and purge its voter rolls as well. If there is no impact why you fighting so hard to stop It? What are you afraid of? There is only one reason to resist anything that increases vote integrity. Period.

Praytell, does said state ID require an a SSN? Only asking because SSN paperwork lists one's citizenship status.

No it does not, illegal aliens are provided with ID’s as I have previously stated. They do not have social security numbers in their name. They use other peoples.

"Relax chicken little, asking someone to show ID to vote or prove citizenship when registering isn’t asking them to chip themselves."

But you'll be first in line when it is, right?

Once again reading comprehension is a terrible thing to lack. The key word says you are fighting “anything” that strengthens vote integrity. It does not say everything, nor does it infer your wild extrapolation. Your chicken little exaggeration is an invention of your mind. I bet it plays tricks on you a lot.

"There is only one reason to resist anything that increases vote integrity."

Really? So you'd be okay with being fingerprinted, having blood drawn, retinas scanned, a life-mould of your face made, a ID chip implanted in your body, a barcode tattooed on the back of your neck or elsewhere in the name of "election security"? How about having one of your fingers replaced with a UID tracker so the government knows where you are at all times? Ooh!!! Ooh!!! How about a serial number branded on your forehead or your right hand? I mean... if it increases vote integrity, you'd be okay with that, right? 😏

Relax chicken little, asking someone to show ID to vote or prove citizenship when registering isn’t asking them to chip themselves.

"AB60 is for driver’s licenses and it simply states “federal limits apply”. In the state it is and can be used to register to vote and many have made it on to voter rolls whether they voted or not."

Yes. And California has a provision allowing undocumented immigrants to *legally* vote in local elections -which is why they get a place on the voter roll. Did you forget we're talking about federal elections?

LOL!!! Thank you for arguing my point, Bluesey. That was classic!!!

It doesn’t keep them off the voter rolls is the whole point. Thanks for trying to follow along. I know it’s hard, you almost made it.

"It doesn’t keep them off the voter rolls is the whole point. Thanks for trying to follow along. I know it’s hard, you almost made it."

LOL!!! Speaking of not following along, did you forget the point of this thread is the redundancy of the SAVE Act?

Don’t you love it when leftist trolls try to take you into the weeds and then get lost in their own circular argument.

The point of the thread is exposing your smug ignorance and condescending arrogance. You lost the plot before the convo started. It’s not redundant if it closes loopholes and getting on the Voter rolls disproves your assumption and bs talking point.

"Once again reading comprehension is a terrible thing to lack. The key word says you are fighting “anything” that strengthens vote integrity. It does not say everything, nor does it infer your wild extrapolation. Your chicken little exaggeration is an invention of your mind. I bet it plays tricks on you a lot."

LOL!!! You sure are talking a lot for a question that only requires a yes or no. One could reasonably surmise you're trying to talk your way out of the trap you laid for yourself.

Although... given how you apparently forgot the topic of the thread is the redundancy of the SAVE Act, I'm going reasonably assume you forgot the question that was asked before you started typing so one more time; you said:

"There is only one reason to resist anything that increases vote integrity. Period."

Sooo... yes or no -you'll be first in line when the law requires voters to have a government ID chip implanted, correct?

Once again the save act is not redundant despite your example of a state that already requires a voter ID. It does not prove citizenship to register. It asks for a social security number and a declaration. A social security number does not guarantee you are a citizen as they are issued to non Citizens who have no right to vote. The basis of your argument it lost so you need to pivot to nonsensical extrapolation. Requiring a voter ID does not lead to required implanted chips if it did 80% of Americans wouldn’t support it nor would I.

"Don’t you love it when leftist trolls try to take you into the weeds and then get lost in their own circular argument."

LOL!!! Nice projection, Bluesey; the maze dead-end imagery is particularly fitting considering the way cornered yourself with an absolutism.

"The point of the thread is exposing your smug ignorance and condescending arrogance. You lost the plot before the convo started. It’s not redundant if it closes loopholes and getting on the Voter rolls disproves your assumption and bs talking point."

Awwww... look at you, trying to create a false narrative like no-one will think to scroll up to the root of the thread. Sooo, Bluesey, the SAVE Act closes loopholes, does it?

Okay... here ya go:

"The SAVE Act requires voters to present documentary proof of U.S. citizenship, which can include a U.S. passport, a Real ID indicating citizenship, a military ID with service record, or a government-issued photo ID (you know... like a driver's license or state ID) with supporting documents like a birth certificate."

Yup... nothing new there. Also:

"IDs Requiring Supplemental Documentation

If a government-issued photo ID does not show the applicant’s birthplace, it must be presented with one or more additional documents:

-Certified birth certificate issued by a state, local, or tribal government meeting specific criteria (full name, date and place of birth, parents’ names, official seal)
-Extract from a U.S. hospital record of birth created at the time of birth
-Final adoption decree showing the applicant’s name and U.S. birthplace
-Consular Report of Birth Abroad or certification of a U.S. citizen’s birth issued by the Secretary of State
-Naturalization Certificate or Certificate of Citizenship issued by the Department of Homeland Security
-American Indian Card issued by DHS with the classification “KIC”

Oh noes!!! Those are all the usual suspects for back-up documentation when registering to vote!!!

Now, answer me this:

1. Are the alleged "millions of illegal votes" real or just a lie being pushed by a crybaby who can't handle he lost in 2020?

2. And if the alleged "millions of illegal votes" are real and yet somehow undetectable despite our electoral system being one of the most secure on the planet, and given how easy it is to forge documents, are the piddling redundancies imposed by the SAVE Act going to change anything?

Blue states refuse to purge or allow review of their voter rolls so we will never know how many. It has been proven that hundreds of thousands of people have been removed from voter rolls due to recent efforts to enforce election laws.

There are millions of resident aliens and millions more illegal aliens. This is a potential threat regardless. You know that though because it’s part of the plan of the left. Surge the Border, provide free Bennie’s, then allow them to vote. Your fear of integrity belies your desire to cheat.

Soooo... given I asked fair questions, why are you dodging them, bud?

1. Are the alleged "millions of illegal votes" real or just a lie being pushed by a crybaby who can't handle he lost in 2020?

2. If the alleged "millions of illegal votes" are real yet somehow undetectable despite our electoral system being one of the most secure on the planet and given how easy it is to forge documents, are the piddling redundancies imposed by the SAVE Act going to change anything?

C'mon, don't be scared; let's see the courage of those convictions. I mean... you're not avoiding answering them fear of your Red and/or Foil Hat buddies catching you thinking rationally instead of running on conspiracy theory delusionality, are you?

I don’t care what you asked you don’t control the conversation or me. You start out with your smirking condescension and then play the victim.

There are severe anomalies indicating fraud in the 2020 election. No one needed to tell me I watched the hijinx live overnight. The sudden appearance and subsequent disappearance of millions of voters is telling.

The combination of unverified citizenship, with millions of illegal immigrants present and with live ballots mailed to everyone on unreviewed voter rolls is a huge election security risk and yes the Save act will close some loopholes and the American people want it. Only those dedicated to cheating don’t want it.

"A social security number does not guarantee you are a citizen as they are issued to non Citizens who have no right to vote."

Yes, SSNs are issued to resident aliens. And the issuance record documents said resident aliens' non-citizen status and thus stands as checkable, federal proof of their ineligibility to register to vote in federal elections; there's nothing nonsensically extrapolative about it. But I get how desperately you need to try to frame the reality of the situation as such.

LOL!!!

So we agree non citizens can have a social security number. So a social security in and of itself doesn’t prove citizenship.

"So we agree non citizens can have a social security number. So a social security in and of itself doesn’t prove citizenship."

What part of "SSNs are issued to resident aliens. And the issuance record documents said resident aliens' non-citizen status and thus stands as checkable, federal proof of their ineligibility to register to vote in federal elections." are you failing to comprehend? I mean... after that "Once again <[there's supposed to a comma here, btw] reading comprehension is a terrible thing to lack" business, I'm obligated to ask: you're projecting your own failing onto me, aren't you?

So how did the supposed 17 people you say voted actually vote if there are infallible safeguards as you now claim.

"I don’t care what you asked you don’t control the conversation or me.

Awww, Bluesey... that's exactly what someone who's afraid to answer the questions I asked would say...

"You start out with your smirking condescension and then play the victim."

Really? That's odd... scrolling up demonstrates I started out relative to you with "On the off chance you don't see the other page, stay with me now, Bluesey... the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act mandates one prove citizenship-based eligibility to vote in federal elections. Without the SAVE Act, people still have to prove citizenship-based eligibility to vote in federal elections when they register to vote. Do you see how the SAVE Act is just create-the-illusion-of-action, busywork legislative theater?"

You seem to be untethered from the linearity of reality despite proof being right in front of you... that's a significant indicator of a not insignificant level of mental illness.

"The sudden appearance and subsequent disappearance of millions of voters is telling."

Okay... and you can document that? I mean... you're effectively saying if a duck goes behind a bush and a badger comes out the other side, the duck turned into a badger behind the bush. But okay... I'm game; show me, back up that claim. Put the hard evidence out here where everyone can see it. Oh, and don't waste time on lame, obvious cop outs, Bluesey; in the spirit of identifying the fracture point leading to aberrant divergence, show me specifically what you believe is evidence of massive voter fraud despite fewer than 500 cases of confirmed voter fraud in the last 20 years.

"The combination of unverified citizenship, with millions of illegal immigrants present and with live ballots mailed to everyone on unreviewed voter rolls is a huge election security risk and yes the Save act will close some loopholes and the American people want it. Only those dedicated to cheating don’t want it."

Which brings things back around to my original post of "So you're saying that redundant legislation is a good thing... unless it's about firearms and then you get all butthurt and dig in your heels?" I mean... if this is really about closing loopholes rather than you trying to salve a dusty case of butthurts under the guise of charging paladin to Viki's aid...

You don’t even recognize your own arrogance and condescension, typical leftist. You say the act is redundant cuz…Tennessee. Yet you admit the system failed to identify ineligible voters at least 17 times. We all know is much much more than that. You insinuated simply having a social security was proof in and of itself of right to vote. Which we have now established it is not nor is possession of an ID. Keep digging, you might make it to China.

Oh sorry, that must have been your alt.

😂 so you know you lost with the redundancy argument and you don’t want to play anymore. 😂

Voter ID laws are common, just not one overarching one. That will soon change

Conspicuous by their absence
Russia, and China LOL !

That is probably a short list. The reality as you know is there are really zero justifications to not have a national standard on national elections.

Uh oh. The left's precious Denmark is on that list. Well, I guess they no longer want to turn the United States into Demark. They really wanted us to become just like Russia or China anyway. Denmark was just a stepping stone on the way.

And the reason they all require it?

So they don't end up
with 4 years of this

Exactly, that and so they reduce the ability to commit election fraud.

They don't require it, they grant it. It's a right. All countries with voting automatically give their citizens voter ID upon reaching voting age, even Afghanistan. Even Afghanistan.

The only exception in the entire planet is the United States of America.

So if they don’t have it they don’t get to vote. Sounds like a requirement. Who cares how or when they issue it.

No, they get it to vote. It's automatic, no registration required. It's a birthright.

So no naturalized citizens are allowed to vote? Or no naturalized citizens are allowed?