More Leftist Logic

Yeah we need to get them to tell us how trying to establish peace between fighting nations is equivalent to trying to start WWIII.

But for some reason they can never answer that in any manner that DOESN"T make them sound like Dementia Joe Biden babbling or Kamala Harris tossing one of her patented Word Salads. Upvoted.

Political victory my ass.

Once again, the Left has painted itself into a corner. Can't support peace deal if President Trump's name is on it so let the horror continue.

I could support one if Trump actually came up with one.

There is no peace deal.

There's nothing to support or not support because they're literally is nothing.

The whole day on the news that's all they talked about yesterday, that they shook hands. Then they were supposed to get on the stage and announce something, and who knows when that happened, but when they did they didn't announce anything because they didn't do anything.

At least President Trump is trying to broker a peace deal. All President Biden did was write a blank check. He was in the pocket of the MIC and neocons.

Broker a pieces deal without Zelinski or any other representative from Ukraine, one which will heavily favor Russia.

President Trump has said over and over again that the deal will be between Ukraine and Russia. You don't know any more than I do what will happen. You seem to be hoping President Trump fails just to spite him. People are dying. Is that OK with you? Just as long as President Trump looks like a loser. Say it out loud. It's OK if thousands die as long as President Trump looks like a loser. TDS must be a bitch.

No he hasn't. In fact, he said he would sanction the heck out of Russia - or rather, sanction the customers of his dear Russia - if Putin left this meeting which is Zelinsky was not invited to without a deal to end the war. And that is recently.

In 2024 he had promised to end the war the day after the election if he won.

Then he tried to block military assistance to Ukraine.

Then he berated President Zelinski like he was a little naughty child in school. And that only after prompting from JD Vance. He couldn't even insult him on his own volition. He had to follow JD to attempt to bully him. Outside of the sheer tragedy, it was truly embarrassing. The most embarrassing moment in White House history, ever, even topping Helsinki.

It's bad enough that you don't care if Ukrainians to die, but to admit it?

President Trump is not a god. He is trying to make a deal using all his tricks, but he can only do so much. I hope he is successful. The instability created by the war is a huge danger to peace and prosperity around the world. Young men are dying by the thousands.

Young men are dying by the thousands?
The number of civilian casualties ranges up to 400,000.

There are tens of thousands of children that have been taken by Russians and are actually literally on sale online right now. Children.

Not sure what the figure is with kidnapped women, but quite frankly I don't feel like looking that up right now because I feel sick enough as is. I've been hearing about the children on the news so that's why I know that.

All this is true. Even more reason to stop the war.

Hopefully this will get to end it.

Trumps narcissism may cause WW3.Thank God he loves golf. Keeps the world from blowing up

Say it. You would rather the war continue than have President Trump take a win, the deaths of thousands of young men be damned.

How do you articulate facts to people who believe Trump is perfect and incapable of making mistakes?
You can't.
Trump is a deeply flawed, narcissistic, individual, who made real estate deals his entire life.
Trump is out of his depth in politics. Putin knows this and plays with Trump like a fiddle.

"How do you articulate facts to people who believe Trump is perfect and incapable of making mistakes?" This is pure TDS. Everyone knows President Trump is flawed, even those who voted for him. You still won't admit it. You want President Trump to fail, even if it means WW3. You have lost the moral high ground. You are a bad person.

"Pure TDS" see what I was saying,? You can't articulate facts with a cult member.
Trump will fail because he's a narcissistic loser who can't admit fault, I don't need to prove anything beyond that fact. If you realize Trump is flawed, then you should consider my point of view instead of saying I'm a bad person.
Who's the bad person? the ones who resort to insults instead of reason? claiming a moral high ground? Based on what? Check yourself before you post.

Your only reasoning is a continuous loop. Orange man bad, Orange man bad, Orange man bad.

And whats your thoughts process? Other than defense of Trump and claiming TDS?
Just another cookie cut maga.

I'm not MAGA or Republican, but I'm starting to warm up to President Trump. He's not perfect. He has many flaws, and he's not always right, but he is trying, and more importantly, he is burying wokism and cancel culture. Not sure about his tariffs. We'll see. Don't love the Big Beautiful Bill. I do love closing the border. Good and bad. Way better than Biden. That was 4 long years of embarrassments.

You arguing with ideologue. Even if Trump had delivered, this one would still find something about it to discredit Trump.
Arguing with him is like, well.,,arguing with him.

The point of insanity is when ideology replaces reason. Prankster, you could be right.

The problem is that it wasn't really a political victory for Trump.

Think about it; he gave a murderous, authoritarian war criminal who invaded another country actual red-carpet treatment on U.S. soil, weaved like a drunk walking away from Air Force 1, clung to Putin's hand like it was a lifeline as they walked toward the cameras (which it literally was because no more weaving). He allowed Putin to have the first commentary at the podiums thus giving Putin the opening needed to frame the narrative, steer the conversation. And when it was all over, what did he have to show for it? Nothing concrete, just concepts of a plan and a tenuous agreement to have another meeting. Sooo yeah, effectively the same results as calling Putin on the phone but with a much, much higher price tag.

Xiao, do you want the war to end or not?

Of course -which is totally irrelevant to the matter of whether or not the recent summit was a political win for Trump. It wasn't.

But it *was* an political optics coup for Putin. Frankly, Trump got worked like the international political mechanics dunce he's repeatedly shown himself to be. And that's the continuing problem; he apparently believes his own hype, assumes infallibility, overestimates his ability to sway people and is exceptionally vulnerable to flattery which makes for an easy mark to an experienced politician. Case and point: how many times has he announced a "deal" with Putin concerning pause/dialing back of hostilities in Ukraine only to have some new round of missiles, airtstrikes or troop incursion within hours?

No, Putin played him again, walked away without making any concessions or even landing on a ceasefire, successfully portrayed himself as alpha to Trump's beta, while they both served up vague, sunshine-y assertions of "a productive meeting," "progress" and an alleged agreement 'twixt lguny sans Ukrainian representation (rendering any potential agreements which don't involve carving up Ukraine if Russia wins the war illegitimate at best) to maybe, possibly have another summit in the future.