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Gender is the psychological expression of the genetics of sex. It stems from biology. Unfortunately chemicals like atrazine in the food and water and environment cause opposite gender expression of genes so some "feel" like they aren't the sex they are born with.

uhm atrazine? trans people just have gender dysphoria because thats how their brains work

Yes, now what caused their brains to work that way? Chemicals like atrazine in the food and water during gestation. Look up the studies. Get informed.

can you cite ur source

My personal belief is that gender dysphoria is the self-inflicted. People have it because they want to have it.

that is true in a lot of cases

He cites sources without even bothering to actually read them through, then persists on insisting they're true simply based on whatever he chose to take out of the title.

and also studies have been conducted on LIZARDS and only effected their physical attributes. Atrazine has no link to gender and sexuality in humans.

that doesn't mean that changing gender is not a denial of basic biology. It's not in biology books because these ideas were completely foreign once upon a time until 2 seconds ago.

Thats literally considered a misinterpretation by a majority of Jewish scholars.

Also, the Torah was written by Moses, meaning that it was written way before 500 BC
More like somewhere around 2000-2500 if my calculations are correct
But it covers events from the very beginning of humanity, which means its a depiction of events taking place between 4000-5000 BC.

Meaning, if 6 genders really did exist in the Torah, all of humanity would recognize them, especially Christians, since the Torah is the kickoff to history in the Bible. Since this is not the case, it's very likely someone just made that up off a misinterpretation bc they got overexcited when they saw something that they thought could be outsude the binary genders in ancient times. Wouldn't be the first time someone did that with ancient texts, trying to insert modern philosophies in them.

Just because someone is a Jewish scholar does not make them Christian. Most jews follow Judaism, which doesn't recognize Christ. So Jewish scholars do not have to have any vested interest in making Christian followers happy. Heck, not even Biblical scholars always have an interest in that, as Bart Ehrman is technically a biblical scholar and he claims Jesus isn't God, which will piss off 100% of Bible believers.

Second, no one was talking about this before, which is why no one had to openly debunk it before. If this really has been a part of history, are you suggesting someone got the gender spectrum eradicated from history and forced everyone to go by the genders they were born as? Because who would even be able to do that? Islamic countries hate these people too and several African countries think America is stupid because we encourage this gender spectrum stuff. This didn't come from Christianity. Because people who have always hated Christians have the same opinion. If someone actually conspired to do this, they'd have to be as old as Abraham, since he had both Isaac and Ishmael, the fathers of the people who are now majority Christians and Muslims, respectively.

The age of humanity is heavily debatable, but even if you believe in the Big Bang (which scientifically makes no sense), there's not really any texts in history dating back more than 10,000 years, with the exception of the epic of Gilgamesh, which nobody thinks is real, and there certainly werent any in real time (even the Torah wasn't written in real time).

Thats not the same. Following a god is a choice. People in the Bible left God despite knowing He was real from the very beginning. Heck, the first thing man does in the Bible is disregard God.
Whereas if the first people to exist recognized more than the 2 biological genders, this would have passed down throughout the generations like belief in God did. Only there wouldn't be a reason to "stray from it" like there would be with God, since human nature is quite rebellious. To reduce the number of genders would have been a scientific argument, which could be proven right or wrong based on data. Following God was a matter of "do I want to or not?"

Of course Jesus is not God. Since when does somebody pray to himself to spare himself from the death that he himself ordained himself suffer after he fathered himself for, um, reasons?

Islamic countries hate these people too? Do we not oft hear about the all the other people that Islamic countries hate, us and everybody else included? Consider those they hate in good company then.
African countries? You mean the ones where American missionaries went on a campaign to help pass laws to make homosexuality a crime punishable by death, those countries? Doesn't exactly apply to the rest of Africa though, does it? Asia? The Americas prior to colonization? Polynesia? Palau...?

Isaac is considered the father of Christians by no one. Ever. You just made that up.

Of course no one believes Gilgamesh was real, just like they don't believe the Hebrew stories that were borrowed from it like Noah's flood were real. Myths are not real. That's why they're called myths.

No, the first thing that man does in the Bible is not disobey God. And you referring to one God, as opposed the the GodS it states that created people.

If someone left God, they wouldn't teach their children about Him. Or they'd teach them of other gods. Many ppl believed in many gods then - but no one was a recorded atheist until later. What's interesting is that despite everyone having spread out, several cultures with different gods mention a catastrophic event similar to the Flood happening, no matter where they are on the planet, meaning they couldn't have pooled together and made it up. It very likely happened.

No, it means they all came from the lineage of Noah. The epic of gilgamesh mentions Noah btw.

(replying to your other comment)
exactly. It would be more suspicious if everything was the same.

Then why are all the stories changed so much?

Have you ever played telephone?
You get a bunch of people together and one person whispers in the next person's ear something on a piece of paper that only they see. Then that person whispers what they heard to the next person and on down the line. The last person says out loud what they heard and then it's compared to what's on the paper. It's never the same. Now imagine generations of that.

If two eyewitnesses said the same thing they were likely coached. If the stories agreed word-for-word you would say that they got their information from some obscure source.

Not if they were all getting it because they were descended from Noah. All these stories also tend to feature one man who was spared by fate, nature, or "the gods".

I mean, the idea of an explosion creating existence and life is also quite unrealistic, but at least the Bible has a being responsible for its supernatural claims.

What were these six listed genders? How ve only read two: Male and female created He them. That’s a translation from the Torah.

Zachar, male.
Nekevah, female.
Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth without developing secondary female sexual characteristics at puberty.
Saris hamah, identified male at birth without developing secondary male sexual
characteristics at puberty.
Saris adam, identified male at birth without developing secondary male sexual characteristics because of castration.

(The last one is from castration so you can say 6 or 7)

The bible listed two sexes. Gender is not the same as sex.

Zachar means “remember.” The Hebrew word for male is Iysh with the female being Iyshah. The third word is Greek rather than Hebrew and would not be found in the Torah.

Zachar also means male. "Remember" and "male" have the same spelling.

Androgynos is also a Hebrew word and not exclusively Greek.

Now all the sudden Republicans dont like google translate

If you're referring to Hatshepsut, this is also a misunderstanding. Hatshepsut was a usurper who promised to "help" the young Thutmose, the real heir to the throne, to rule Egypt until he grew of age to rule it himself. However, once he grew old enough, she refused to give up the kingdom and hunted him down, so Thutmose had to run a coup to get his own kingdom.
Hatshepsut wanted people to take her seriously and fear her, so she asked artists to depict her with more masculine features. She didn't identify as a man. She often referred to herself as the "Daughter of the Sun" and demanded worship.

Women in power doing things like this weren't entirely uncommon in history (though it's likely the women doing this were fear-strikers and not good leaders), and women would pretend to be boys to attend events or be a part of something (once upon a time a woman would have had to do this even to attend school), but women flat out identifying as men is obsolete throughout history.

Thats on TikTok... it's from modern day...

or youtube shorts... either way what does that prove?

It was in Trumps AI video of gaza

It certainly wasn't a huge epidemic like it is today. People are practically encouraged to be trans now and parents are gaslit into thinking that if they don't get surgery on their kids, the kids will commit suicide, even though several countries outside the US have quit such operations and have had no uptick in teenage suicide.
Our pharmacy companies basically have ppl tell kids that transitioning will solve their self-worth problems, but it doesn't. They can be happy temporarily, and they can act like it does, but the moment you criticize them they're essentially traumatized. They have to be applauded and encouraged for absolutely everything, under a safety blanket. That is massive insecurity. And in order to protect themselves from this realization, they have to pool together and gaslight you for telling them the truth. They tell you you don't care about them, you hate them, you're part of a big oppressive cultural monolith that wants to erase them, etc.
And it gets really ridiculous when you warn people of the side effects of trans surgeries (something the doctors should be required to be fully honest about) and they treat you the same way, even if you're a detransitioner who's literally been in the community. You get ostracized from your own old community and gaslit for trying to warn people of the dangers to go down a path you went on.

This is not a solution to depression.

Can people actually want to be a different gender than they were born? Yes. Is it a large group of people like our numbers now suggest? No way.

Anyone can victimize themselves and make everyone else the bad guy

and you just did

I am not woke but if people want to do what they want too, it should be fine. But yes encouraging someone to be trans is rough

Yeah I don't think there should be laws against it even though I believe it is wrong. I feel we should have programs to help children learn their own worth so they can actually solve their depression and become confident people who progress society in a positive way. If someone wants to be trans after that, so be it. But I think you'll find a mad decrease after something like that. Children need to know they are valuable for who they are no matter what others say. Doesn't matter if your dad called you a slur when you were 4 years old, doesn't matter if you were bullied for being a tomboy or a boy who likes music, art or reading. You are a valuable human being.

What I think should be outlawed is the scamming of parents and children in all this, only telling them that it will make them feel whole and lying about the whole picture. That should be outlawed for the sake of the children considering. It's downright evil and at the end of the day, it's everything woke people claim to hate; rich people taking advantage of the poor and lying to them for personal financial gain (something they say is the product of capitalism, but is actively being used to dupe people into supporting the death of capitalism and the rise of totalitarian communism). Unfortunately, these rich people have found a progressive blanket to hide behind so they can't be called out unless you want to be called evil yourself for it. And since many people either don't know what's happening or are too scared, they won't take that risk bc they've been bullied by the culture.
That environment should be abolished. Not being allowed to question people is literally the first step toward dictatorship.

Some people in ancient Rome were trans, but it was a few people per generation and they were venerated in mystery religions as messengers of God's and demons. It was ultra rare.
Also dressing in opposite gender clothes is not necessarily trans.

Wearing makeup was normalized in ancient Egypt and nope people cry about it.