Christianity shooting itself in the foot!

And the thing is, this is a conflict that modern Christians setup. By insisting on a narrow and literal interpretation of the Bible, they set themselves to be proven wrong again and again.

You mean the method of modern science that Christians discovered and perfected?

That would be an emphatic NO. It is yet another in a long line of myths that Christians perpetrate. Magic trees, talking animals, disembodied hands appearing out of nowhere, men defying gravity, would be a few others.

If anything, an early Persian could be credited with the most modern version of the scientific method. Ibn al-Haytham specifically championed the following method:

1. Explicit statement of a problem, tied to observation and to proof by experiment
2. Testing and/or criticism of a hypothesis using experimentation
3. Interpretation of data and formulation of a conclusion using mathematics
4. The publication of the findings

That is the very definition of the scientific method, so you can quit pretending otherwise and quit perpetrating fraudulent ideas that because certain guys were culturally Christian (under threat), that beliefs in magic and the impossible had a shred of anything to do with following Ibn al-Haytham's ideas. Even before him, Aristotle championed an empirical method of scientific thinking which absolutely predates even the concept of Christianity. Not to mention that science and technology was also flourishing in China and India with ZERO influence from Christianity, Judaism or Western thought. And it has been argued by some that it was actually the influences of the far east that were transported over by ancient Muslim scholars that kicked off the Renaissance (as opposed to the Muslim scholars preserving the ancient Greek ideas only).

This is a very easy bit of propaganda to debunk with minimal effort. All it takes is looking up the, again, wildly inaccurate and self promoting ideas floating around apologist circle jerks.

Your username is the perfect definition of not only irony but also the delusion of self-grandeur that is so common in online atheism.
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Except what he's saying is factual, what you're saying is a cutesy meme naming some Johnny-come-latelys from the modern era.

Christians routinely burned people at the stake for presenting any notions outside of flat Earth and talking goats. It isn't called the Dark Ages for nothing. Their place in the Byzantine Empire as well has been credited with making it a tad bit lackluster compared to its predecessor.

Modern science emerged DESPITE Christianity and his efforts to hold it back for millennia, not because of it. And yes, if it wasn't for the Middle East, Central Asia, East Asia, and the Silk Road, Europe would still be a place of log cabins with grass-covered roofs made out of donkey manure and thatch.

This right here ^ this kind of comment is exactly how I know you don't know the science that you brag about owning. You use science as a prop.

I don't "own science" no one does.

Nice deflection from your historical illiteracy, btw.
Almost.

I can't dodge shots that aren't really fired. Like how you can't really claim to "know history" by ignoring the parts you don't like. Such as the Christians who founded and perfected Western Science.
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You ignoring what you yourself said. Yeah, that's sure to work.

I destroyed your argument above because Christians didn’t do any thing you claim. Chinese, Indian, and Persian scientists outside of Christian influence, had more to do with western science than any belief in a fake, made up, god. Remember This is well established fact and you’re ignoring it to prop up your made up claim that somehow lil’ ol’ Jesus directed science from heaven but FAILED to mention anything about germ theory of disease when he advised that washing hands was a worthless activity.

But you go on believing in magic, and that cellular necrosis is a reversible process. Remember Ibn al-Haytham specifically championed the following method:

1. Explicit statement of a problem, tied to observation and to proof by experiment
2. Testing and/or criticism of a hypothesis using experimentation
3. Interpretation of data and formulation of a conclusion using mathematics
4. The publication of the findings

That is the very definition of the scientific method. Christianity is the exact opposite.

Remember, “without faith it is impossible to please God.“

If you "destroyed my argument" you wouldn't be typing so much cope right now because your first "reply" would have already done it. I LOVE that it never takes much to completely set off internet atheists.

LOL. I just respond when you do because I get a notification you silly doofus. It doesn't take much to set off the talking snake believers. You DO believe in that talking snake don't you? Those magic trees?

You're a child believing childish things because you've been taught them your whole life by other children and manipulators of children. Ask yourself why The Clergy Project is an actual thing -- because pastors know they're lying about the whole thing.

Try to convince me of the talking snake. Cope that.

Focus. I know it's hard. Focus. Focus on the talking snake. Focus now little pretend rabbi. FOCUS. Don't get off target. Focus. Convince me about the talking snake. And while you're at it, realize what a silly notion it is to believe in these Jewish fairy tales that even the Jewish people don't believe were real.

"Rabid" Rabbi indeed. It's appears to have reached the point of no return.

he never said Christian's can't be scientists, did he?

Responding to two separate comments from over a month ago screams bored.

Cool

Now folks, THAT’S how you ignore the evidence and resort to an ad hominem attack. Typical.

Lol whatever you say pal.

I get it… Your argument was trash so you’re giving up. Probably a good idea.

He dodged, deflected, and departed.
Then he changed his name too!

Kinda like Yahweh, Elohim, Jesus, Immanuel, Son of Man, etc

Or Joshua, not to be confused with Barabbas AKA Joshua Barabbas AKA Yeshua bar Abba AKA Joshua(Jesus) son of the Father.

That's right, 2 men arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced to death for the same crime of sedition on the same day, but one lived and the other, well, got to live forever. Somewhere that isn't here.

I’m convinced the gospels were written as literature…fan fiction… to support / complement Paul’s lunacy. Much of what’s written parallels popular myths of the era as well as Homer’s writings. And some of it is downright “my god is better than theirs so I’ll write a made up story to prove it.”

I'm convinced you've never picked up a book.

LOL, I’ve written more books than you’ve read.
You are a child, believing childish myths. Magic trees, talking snakes.

Nah. I just can't change the mind of someone enjoying a sense of superiority in their ignorance.

Nice dodge, sensing superiority as a cover for your ignorance.

Notice the rabid rabi / shoop deleted his comments LOL.

Hebrews 11:6 says “without faith it is impossible to please God”, right? If that’s the case, why is he trying so hard to make a scientific case? Faith and science are diametrically opposed BY DEFINITION. In science, NOTHING is assumed on the basis of faith. You have faith in your religion (faith in your faith) because real scientific … actual evidence is non-existent. Faith is the stuff you have because the “evidence is unseen” according to Hebrews 11:1. If that evidence is unseen, that means it exists only in your own mind. So the Rabid_Rabbi / sh00p_da00p should stop trying to use science to prove his religion because only the smooth brained are buying it.

Yeah, the other day in some Politics comment, someone said I should choose Jesus and follow him. I replied that I don't choose Jesus. No one chooses Jesus. I don't choose water, it still exists. I don't choose air, it still exists. No one chooses to follow the first Messiah, Cyrus the Great. He's an actual verifiable historical figure. We know that he did exist.
They don't need me to choose them.

If there was a real Jesus, he doesn't need me to follow him in order to prove that he exists. He exists. If anybody's going to do any choosing, he would have to choose me, because he exist regardless. I'm just one of billions.

Belief is irrelevant, I tell people. Faith is irrelevant. If there was a divinity, it doesn't need our permission to be real. It just simply is.

Yeah, I'm in the probably didn't exist camp myself. But maybe somebody did...who really knows?

David Fitzgerald's book, "Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All" is worth reading. Easy to read but not as technical as Richard Carrier or Robert Price (although Price's "The Case Against The Case for Christ" is fantastic).

Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus" is good as well. Uses Bayesian logic and reasoning.

You're the one that said something about someone else's superiority. If that's what you felt, then that's on you.

He can't get it. Religion befuddles the mind.

“A ‘belief’ is not merely an idea the mind possesses, it is an idea that possesses the mind.” ~ Robert Oxton Bolton

Hebrews 11:6 says “without faith it is impossible to please God”, right? If that’s the case, why are you trying so hard to make a scientific case? Faith and science are diametrically opposed. You have faith because real scientific actual evidence is non-existent. Faith is the stuff you have because the “evidence is unseen” according to Hebrews 11:1. If that evidence is unseen, that means it exists only in your own mind and trying to "scientifically" prove god would mean that no faith was needed. Yet, “without faith it is impossible to please God” so which will it be? Faith? or science?

How you “feel” about my user name or what you personally perceive in your own brain about my personality traits has zero bearing on the fact that you cannot refute the argument. Yet another EPIC FAIL by the rabbi.

LOL.

Your little ad hominem attack means your argument was trash and you knew it. But since you can’t refute the argument, you personally attack the person who destroyed your argument.

Everyone but you sees it.

Bro...just look at your username and then get back to me about superiority complexes.😂

I really SHOULD change it ... perhaps to Rabid_Rabbi_Promotes_Zombie_Lies.
Those are lies that refuse to die despite how many times they're debunked.
How 'bout that one?

Hey Rabid Rabbi now calls himself shoop da POOP. Still promotes lies and still resorts to ad hominem attacks. Losers always do that.

Dude, just quit believing the fairytales. Even the Jewish people don’t believe them.

You base your life on old Jewish myths that were copied from older civilizations who had zero understanding of how the world works.

Be a man. Grow the phuck up and quit being so gullible.

Lol you're best comeback is "zombie lies" and "Shoop da poop"

AAAAAAAAAND you still can't refute anything. The reason you resort to emotional arguments is those are fluid and can be altered, re-interpreted, and easily changed. Facts are hard. That's why you've never, not once, successfully refuted a single argument on ANY meme thread.
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The reason there hasn't been a refutation is there has not been a single "hard fact" articulated to refute. That isn't surprising to me because I've had this same argument repeatedly with guys like you who are nothing but cookie-cutter, dime-a-dozen, carbon-copies of regurgitated, cringe talking points you hear on tik tok or see on memes like what you pasted there, without verification. Going "I'm smart, you're dumb, hahaha 'sky daddy' hahaha 'doody head'" over and over again isn't an argument. Maybe that's the reason you pitch a fit and stomp your feet every time you get made fun of by somebody on the internet who isn't impressed with your over-inflated sense of self-importance. You paste memes and call them "hard facts", it really doesn't get more delusional than that lol.

You accuse me of the exact thing you're doing. You must be a Democrat.
"Yay, I get to make unsubstantiated and crazy claims because a 3000 year old book said so! Any one who disagrees with ME ME ME is delusional and cringe and just regurgitating old arguments that someone, somewhere refuted ... I think!"

HERE'S A HARD FACT: Ibn al Haytham created the scientific method. Not any Christian.

And you're still emotional...LOL, lobbing your ad homimen attacks just like Christians do. That must be in some instruction manual somewhere.

I have no importance. I'm just a dude who was a Christian for 52 years and realized it's a sham. I was a missionary. I started churches in Central America and the USA. I preached in churches all across America. I went to Seminary, I attended Christian Schools, and Christian colleges. I argued these same points from your side. I've known many of the apologists you look up to and get your arguments from.

You have no idea who I am but that's not an inflated ego, it's amazement that there are people who are so deeply engrained that they can't see the myth.

Talking snake? CRINGE
Talking donkey? CRINGE
Magic trees? CRINGE
Virgin birth? CRINGE
Water into wine? CRINGE
Resurrection? CRINGE

What's funny is you think you know me. But I did exactly what you're doing for the longest time. I was that argumentative Christian, using extremely poor arguments, moving the goalposts, nit-picking everything, citing Answers in Genesis bullshit. The difference between you and me is about 30 - 40 years. One day you'll come to your senses.

I feel sorry for you. You have a wake up call coming and it is pretty earth shattering. I lost my entire family except for my son. My daughters wouldn't let me even see photos of my grandkids, much less the grandkids themselves, because I no longer believed. But that is how Christians operate. You can poke all the fun you want but that just shows you don't even believe your own Bible. I wonder how ol' Jesus would've responded? Fire and brimstone? Insults? Kinda like you?

But due to the way this site is structured, you'll get your last little jab -- I do feel like Jesus, getting poked by that mythical spear (mentioned in only one of the gospels, interesting).

Yeah, I'm sure you did buddy. 52 years to revert to a wind-up toy that regurgitates the same, tired old cringey internet atheist talking points that every other one does. That's honestly sad.
Anyway, I never said Ibn al Haytham wasn't a pioneer of the Scientific method. I said, "Christians founded and perfected Western Science". You're not doing yourself or internet atheism any favors by propping up the achievements of religious men as if that destroys the foundations of Christianity or Western Science.

You have no argument. Zero.
You are a liar. Plain and simple. You're a lying fool who believes myth and fairytale. Go away. You're arguments are worthless and brain dead, brainwashed fool. Remember, I was a Christian for 50+ years. I've been down your road and made the same arguments you make ... then one day I realized how stupid it is to believe Christianity. I woke up. You're still sleepwalking ... I know ... I've been in your shoes. I was a missionary, a preacher, an apologist. I know all the little tricks and that's all they are.

You're still a liar. Scold me all you want little boy.I don't give a f**k. You are a liar and you promote lies. LOL, prayer, what a waste of time. You've been praying for all sorts of things and you'll never get them. Facts don't make me mad Mr Smoothbrain. Facts make you mad ... like the fact that Christians didn't "discover and perfect" the Scientific method. That was Ibn al-Haytham, multiple Chinese and Indian scientists. You think that just because Copernicus was living in a country dominated by the antiscience Pope, that Christianity was responsible for him figuring out some stuff. LOLOLOLOL. Talk about a cope. Your argument has been soundly defeated yet you come back to promote MORE and MORE lies ... and emotional arguments. YOU presented ZERO facts LOL. But one day, you'll wake up ... gotta get out of your teenage years first.

Oh wait, here's where you smugly complain about my user name without refuting a single thing I said and think you won an argument.

You don't get to say somebody else is a liar for presenting facts that make you mad. You also don't get to discredit the achievements in science made by Christians just because you hate them. That's not how life works. 50+ years old, you should know better. I'm sorry the world hasn't been kind to you. You are also unkind to those who disagree with you, bringing much of it upon yourself. My recommendation: therapy. And prayer, of course.

"I win because I say I win, you low-down Christian. I, me, myself, and my towering intellect declare myself the winner because I say so. I don't like what you have to say so therefore I, in my all-seeing all-powerful wisdom declare it untrue! I am awake you bozo, clown-man who believes in skydaddy! ME! MEEEEE! MEEEEEEEEEE!"
Again, to your credit. This is the best argument any internet atheist has presented to me so far. Well done.

You're also ignoring the fact that back in the 1600s and 1700s in Europe, you pretty much had to be a Christian or face severe punishment, including imprisonment or death

Lol you bored? Digging up a month-old argument online in the comments seems like you're bored. Anyways, that's not true. Have a good day.

"Anyways, that's not true"

It actually is true. In Europe at that time, people who were not Christians faced severe consequences, including the death penalty.

Was it similar to atheist states like The Soviet Union where churches were burned down and priests were murdered on orders from the state? I don't deny that Christians have their share of sin in the pages of history, but to purposefully exaggerate just to make a point online that will give you an excuse to continue to be ignorant about history is the mountain peak of cringe that gives cadence to the stereotypes about neckbeard, internet atheist memes.

"Was it similar to atheist states like The Soviet Union where churches were burned down and priests were murdered on orders from the state?"

Yes

"I don't deny that Christians have their share of sin in the pages of history, but to purposefully exaggerate just to make a point online"

What did I exaggerate?

You said that several hundred years ago on a different continent, anyone who wasn't a Christian was executed or imprisoned right on the spot. No questions asked whatsoever.
Here's an actually historical look at that by the way https://youtu.be/FQXDIUjr41M?si=YWQNSqXhShbEvEs9
My example is from only 50 years ago when Atheist states extinguished 150 million people, including people from all different religions. Even disagree with the state's narrative.
We are not the same.

"You said that several hundred years ago on a different continent, anyone who wasn't a Christian was executed or imprisoned right on the spot. No questions asked whatsoever"

I never said that. Here's what I said: "In Europe at that time, people who were not Christians faced severe consequences, including the death penalty." And that's true.

"My example is from only 50 years ago when Atheist states extinguished 150 million people, including people from all different religions"

Communist states. Learn the difference.

Which had violently enforced state atheism. That is an undeniable fact.

YOU said that wasn’t true then reverse course and admit it in your very next comment.

Hypocrite.

It's just as hypocritical as denying the scientific methods origins from Christianity.

You really ARE that dumb aren't you? I've blown your pet little theory out of the water with facts yet you ignore them over and over and over. You're the epitome of insane. Remember Ibn Al Haytham? No of course you don't because you have on Christian blinders. Fool.

Oh wait, here's where you smugly complain about my user name without refuting a single thing I said and think you won an argument.

LOL, now it's "I already win because I'm smarter than you, dummy dumb-dumb Christian with your stupid facts and historical knowledge. Bow before my superior intellect doody-headed Christian insane person. You blinder-wearer"
But to be completely fair to you; that is the best argument you've presented this whole time.

Despite who discovered it, those that allow it, may get a rude awakening!

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