I’m atheist but I still respect other people’s opinions

Those type of people don’t respect religion

Who, "other people"?

The guy in the image is the type of person to not respect religion. I respect atheists as long as they respect religion

That's fair...and true. It took a long time for me to recognize that no group is a monolith. The full spectrum of reprehensible to righteous can be found in any demographic, because no demographic has dominion over any particular behavior.

tbh, those ones are racist. so...

DO u respect flat earthers,anti vaxxers too?

Flat earthers are idiots

And so are religious ppl and their religion

If not believing in fairy tales makes a person appear smarter than believing in fairy tales...
Let's see if you're smart enough to fill in the blank there.

Yes like believing the genetic code appeared magically over million of years and added to itself, again magically. Like non life gave birth to life. Sorry but I don't have that much faith.

I mean, it's not magic. It's non-asexual reproduction.

God isn't magic. What you believe: that a cell can create itself, complete with built-in mechanisms that keep it from changing. That one creature can change to become a "new" creature. That the genetic code can build itself from nothing and then expand it's information. These would be closer to the definition of this magic you speak of.

It's not magic, it's meiosis and mitosis.

Ah, the argument from incredulity, the favorite logical fallacy of theists: I can't believe it so it must be wrong. More precisely, I can't understand it so it must have been magic. If your mind is stuck on faith in fiction because fact is too sophisticated, then god bless you. Fortunately for the Homo Sapiens worthy of their namesake, progress continues in spite of proud ignorance.

You don't believe in god so therefore god doesn't exist.

Sounds like an arguement from incrudelity.

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. I'm an agnostic. And by even trying to "prove" there's a god, you've shit down the neck of FAITH, which by definition depends on an absence of proof.

Faith in god isn't about believing in his existence, rather, it's about certainity in what he said and knowing it will happen because his word is true. I can prove that god exists and still have faith in what he said.

You can prove you believe in god. Claiming you can prove god exists denotes illiteracy in both science and religion.

I think that's because you misunderstand religion, or you haven't been properly introduced to the catholic faith.
I recomend you read this.
https://home.csulb.edu/~cwallis/100/aquinas.html

I guess none of the catholics who've introduced me to catholicism over the years were true catholics then. Continuing that trend only leads me to belive that you aren't either.

I wouldn't say "not a true catholic", I'd say "someone who isn't an expert apologist." I fall in the latter, too. No catholic is a "true catholic" anyways, because we all sin. Or, it's possible that you just misunderstood something they said.

I think you see an inability to prove god because you misunderstand something about religion.

If you want someone who is an expert and can explain why we believe what what we believe better than I can, I recommend this podcast; I think they're open to calls again sometime on November 30.
https://www.catholic.com/audio/cal

Anyways, why does proving god exist denote illiteracy in science and education?

Because religion is a belief system. That's why it's called faith. And faith and proof are mutually exclusive. Proof and faith destroy each other.

love ya dude. You can't change the definition of faith.

Where's your proof that your god exists?

Conversely, where's your proof that He doesn't?

"First, I don't need to prove that He exists"

You actually do. You're making a claim. Where's your evidence that the claim is true?

"All of creation, does that just fine"

What are you calling "creation" and how does it prove your god exists?

"The cosmological model I follow, explains most everything perfectly."

What's the model and how does it explain most everything perfectly?

"humanity's rebellion, the subsequent world wide flood of Noah's time"

What rebellion? These are stories in a book. And there's no evidence of a global flood, especially not one during human history.

"So, explain what you believe it should look like please?"

If the God of the Bible existed, we would expect to see a world where he interacts with physical reality in a way that is very clear and unambiguous. I don't mean somebody finds their car keys and say that God did it, or somebody recovers from a headache and says that God did it. I mean the kind of stuff that the Bible describes, where he makes his existence absolutely clear.

Also, you didn't answer my question. The Bible says if two or more Christians agree on something and pray for it, God will do it. So why haven't Christians prayed to end poverty or world hunger?

And you are also claiming He doesn't..ergo..

Can you answer any of my questions?

If somebody says that something exists, and I don't believe them, I don't have to prove that the thing doesn't exist, they have to show that it does

But the reason I don't believe the God of the Bible exists is because the world doesn't look the way that it would if he was real

Also, there are things that the Bible says will definitely happen if God exists, and those things don't happen, like when the Bible says that if two or more Christians agree on something and pray for it, then God will do it. So why haven't two Christians gotten together and prayed for an end to poverty or world hunger?

I have informed you that you are in eternal danger. I have informed you how you may escape that danger and live a life more glorifying to the Creator of the universe and all in it. The choice is yours. Seek God, His righteousness, and His kingdom or forever be separate from Him. Love a very long life and be well.

I understand that you've told me these things, but I have no reason to believe they're true because I don't see the evidence

First, I don't need to prove that He exists. All of creation, does that just fine. The cosmological model I follow, explains most everything perfectly. I would say that, indeed, this world is not the perfect creation that He first made, but humanity's rebellion, the subsequent world wide flood of Noah's time, and the continued rebellion by humanity also covers your objections to the lack of the what it "should" look like. So, explain what you believe it should look like please?

"First, I don't need to prove that He exists"

You actually do. You're making a claim. Where's your evidence that the claim is true?

"All of creation, does that just fine"

What are you calling "creation" and how does it prove your god exists?

"The cosmological model I follow, explains most everything perfectly."

What's the model and how does it explain most everything perfectly?

"humanity's rebellion, the subsequent world wide flood of Noah's time"

What rebellion? These are stories in a book. And there's no evidence of a global flood, especially not one during human history.

"So, explain what you believe it should look like please?"

If the God of the Bible existed, we would expect to see a world where he interacts with physical reality in a way that is very clear and unambiguous. I don't mean somebody finds their car keys and say that God did it, or somebody recovers from a headache and says that God did it. I mean the kind of stuff that the Bible describes, where he makes his existence absolutely clear.

Also, you didn't answer my question. The Bible says if two or more Christians agree on something and pray for it, God will do it. So why haven't Christians prayed to end poverty or world hunger?

This:
https://home.csulb.edu/~cwallis/100/aquinas.html

None of those five arguments prove god's existence. None of them even mention God in any of the premises. They just list a bunch of premises and then conclude by saying that that proves God exists.

You could take those exact same arguments, word for word, and just replace God at the very end with some other deity or magical being, and the argument would be exactly the same

Any argument for the existence of God which can also be used to prove the existence of any other deity or magical being doesn't work as an argument for God

Seems you're trying to say that I could change the word "God" at the end and the proof would describe something totally different.

However, just as a rose by any other name smells just as sweet, God by any other name still is God.

The properties that these proofs require, namely, creating the universe, causing all motion, being the source of all goodness, being intelligent, and being necessary, must be held by something, and that's what Christians call God.

Your argument is flawed if the thing you're trying to prove the existence of isn't mentioned anywhere in the entire argument, and then it's just thrown in at the very end. You say that the God of Christianity has all those attributes. That is a claim. Where is your evidence that that claim is true. How can you demonstrate to me or anyone else that your God is the source of all goodness or the first cause or intelligent or anything else?

1.) The law of motion: We actually are always moving. We have never been able to witness absolute zero, the temperature motion stops.

2.) Efficient Cause: If God is tangible, it would mean matter or electrons can exist infinitely without cause. Meaning everything has always existed, it just changes. which is backed up by the periodic table. If God is intangible, his existence is the same as Hatsune Miku's. She is an intangible made up entity.

3.) Possibility and necessity: Again, if time is infinite, then contingent beings have always existed. Also, contingent beings are made up of matter, so according to (2) Contingent beings can have the cause of non-beings.

4.) Graduation: It's possible that everything has an asymptote.

5.) design: evolution also would explain that.

(again it's not IMPOSSIBLE for god to exist. these are ok theories. But they don't prove it. there's other possible explanations. God is one of them.)

It's Christians who actually believe in literal magic. Look up what the word magic means. Atheists don't believe things happened magically.

real

Atheism isn't a religion

So you are saying that you know, without a doubt that the God of the Bible does not exist?

"I am not a follower of Islam due to many things. Their prophet lived c. 570 to 632. So 500 years after Christ"

What does that have to do with anything?

"The New testament was written through Epistles within the first 100 years following Jesus Ascension by eyewitnesses to the events of His time on earth"

None of the four gospels claim to have been written by eyewitnesses to the life of Jesus, and all four of them were written anonymously.

"I accept eyewitness testimony over something from 500 years later"

You don't have any eyewitness testimony to the life of Jesus

"I am completely unworried about being wrong"

Exactly. And I'm completely unworried about being wrong in my belief that Christianity is false

"the evidences you require will not be forthcoming, outside of direct revelation by God"

If he knows what it would take to convince me that he's real and refuses to provide that evidence, it's his fault if I don't know that he exists

"I do not want you, or anyone else experiencing what is promised to happen during that time"

Just because a book says something will happen in the future doesn't mean it actually will

"There are a few prophesies that will take place around that time that may or may not prove helpful. A city within Syria will experience something like a nuclear explosion"

The Bible doesn't say anything about a nuclear explosion

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are anonymous?.. interesting..

Yes, and even Christian scholars admit this. Those names were put on those letters later on by Christians. We don't know who wrote any of the four gospels, and there's no evidence that they were written by the people whose names are attached to them.

That's not what I'm saying

Of course it is. You are saying that atheism isn't a religion, a belief system. Therefore you must have actual proof that the God of the Bible does not exist. Otherwise you only believe it to be true.

Atheism isn't a religion. It's a position on only one issue, whether a god exists. Religions involve numerous beliefs, they have rules to follow and rituals to perform, etc. Atheism doesn't.

I don't "believe atheism is true". Atheism isn't a truth claim. It just means someone isn't convinced that god exists.

You believe a god exists. I'm not convinced. Understand?

Religions need to involve no rules, just beliefs. Of course it's a truth claim. You are taking a firm stance. You would do that if you didn't know it to be true? I'm sure you have heard this or read it. But if you are right and we just all came into being over millions and billions of years and we evolved by random chance. That means your brain is the result of random chance. How can you trust anything you think? Someone teaches you something. How can you trust their brain? If you are right, I lose nothing. If the Bible is right... Eternity is a long time to say, oops! Give it some real thought. Be certain.

"Of course it's a truth claim. You are taking a firm stance"

No, it's not a truth claim. Theism means you're convinced a god exists. Atheism means you aren't convinced a god exists. That's it. Not being convinced of something isn't "taking a firm stance" on it.

"But if you are right and we just all came into being over millions and billions of years and we evolved by random chance"

Evolution isn't by random chance

"That means your brain is the result of random chance"

Evolution isn't by random chance

"How can you trust anything you think? Someone teaches you something. How can you trust their brain?"

How can I trust anything I think? Because I don't have a choice. And neither do you. You only have one brain and it's the only one you'll have for your entire life. Is it perfect? No, it makes mistakes. But you have to do the best you can because it's all you have. The point you're trying to make is that because something isn't perfect, we shouldn't trust it at all? That doesn't make any sense.

"If you are right, I lose nothing"

That's not true. You've lost any money you've given to the church. You've lost all the time you've spent praying to something that doesn't exist, and following a belief system which is morally depraved. If it turns out that God doesn't exist, would you say that someone who devoted their entire life to Islam hasn't lost anything?

"If the Bible is right... Eternity is a long time to say, oops!"

I have no reason to believe it is

"Give it some real thought"

It's weird that you assume I haven't given it any real thought just because I don't agree with you.

What I'm saying is you need to be certain. "If" the Bible is true than what awaits those who follow the path you are on are in for a terrible time that I wish on no one. That's what I meant when I said "eternity is a long time to say oops". According to the Bible, we are currently saved by faith. Undeniable proof probably won't be provided. God was here in the form of Jesus Christ who shed His blood, died, and rose again. Man can't do that. God can. He did this to pay my sin debt, yours and everyone else's, IF we believe, it's a free gift, offered by God. The offer expires when we do or He comes back. If we don't trust His word while we live. We won't be with Him when we die. There's only one other option and it is final and terrible. Be safe, be happy; but choose well

"What I'm saying is you need to be certain"

I can be as certain as possible, but that's it. I cannot be absolutely 100% certain that God does or does not exist. But the evidence I have leads me to the conclusion that God does not exist

" "If" the Bible is true than what awaits those who follow the path you are on are in for a terrible time that I wish on no one. That's what I meant when I said "eternity is a long time to say oops"."

I don't believe the Bible is true, so I don't think I have anything to worry about. I understand that you believe something different.

If eternity is a long time to be wrong, what if you're wrong about Islam? Why aren't you a Muslim just in case Islam turns out to be true?

"According to the Bible, we are currently saved by faith. Undeniable proof probably won't be provided"

Then that's god's problem (if he exists), not mine. If he exists, then he knows what it would take to convince me that he exists, and he has not provided that evidence to me.

"God was here in the form of Jesus Christ who shed His blood, died, and rose again. Man can't do that. God can"

And the only evidence that any of this happened is a bunch of stories written down decades later by anonymous writers. There's very little historical evidence Jesus even lived, and no evidence at all that he did miracles or came back from the dead.

"He did this to pay my sin debt, yours and everyone else's, IF we believe, it's a free gift, offered by God"

If he did it to pay a debt, then I don't have to believe in him to receive it. If I owe somebody a debt and someone else pays it for me, I no longer owe the debt, regardless of if I know what they did or not.

"There's only one other option and it is final and terrible"

No one has ever shown me any evidence that Hell is real

I am not a follower of Islam due to many things. Their prophet lived c. 570 to 632. So 500 years after Christ. The New testament was written through Epistles within the first 100 years following Jesus Ascension by eyewitnesses to the events of His time on earth. I accept eyewitness testimony over something from 500 years later. There are many other reasons too numerous to go into but I harbor no hatred or animosity to anyone that chooses to follow that path. We do not worship the same deity and therefore I am unable say they could be right. I am completely unworried about being wrong. As I have said, the evidences you require will not be forthcoming, outside of direct revelation by God prior to the pouring out of His wrath upon the earth. I do not want you, or anyone else experiencing what is promised to happen during that time. This is why I reach out. There are a few prophesies that will take place around that time that may or may not prove helpful. A city within Syria will experience something like a nuclear explosion. If you know anyone living near Damascus, ask them to move. Israel will sign a 7 year peace treaty to keep them safe. There will be hailstones weighing roughly 70 pounds. I will pray for you

3 monotheistic religions each rooted in the same abrahamic scriptures, and each worships a different god? Erm, if I was god I'd be face palming hard right now and taking a good long look in the mirror at the source of these idiot beings created in my image.