Stop political exploitation

Gang killings are how most black kids die. This is a fact anywhere you go. Police shootings are rare. White supremacist shootings are even more rare. These are verifiable facts. Socialists and race hustlers exploit the back population with misleading facts and outright lies.

I can see where you're coming from and I agree partially but, as someone who grew up in the "Hood" and as someone who still lives in a dangerous area around supposed "gang violence" I can tell you personally, that a lot of the killings that happen in my area are by police. Yes, gang violence is extremely evident in most areas but, that still doesn't dull the fact that a lot of killings in underdeveloped and underfunded neighborhoods are by police, as well as gang violence.

The police have to respond with deadly force. That is part of their job. The police can't fix the problems in poor neighborhoods. All they can do is try to control the violence. I used to work for the city. I talked to the police all the time. They have a really tough job.

Yes, I know this, but when people begin to fear the police, that is when it becomes an issue. Police are meant to protect and serve are they not? Yet, in all these songs you hear the same saying right? "F*ck the police". If they did their jobs right we wouldn't have this issue, not all policemen are bad but not all issues can be solved with "deadly force". Adding gas to a fire doesn't make it go out.

In Chicago my home town , 2019 there were 491 black homicides, 9 were killed by police... 9. That means for every 1 black person shot by a cop, 54 were murdered by other black men. To even try to say that police murder rates are just as bad as the gang violence is not only disingenuous , but flat out disinformation.

Your facts do not interest race hustlers or socialists. They are looking for the outliers that they can exploit politically. They will skew the facts. George Floyd died of a fentynol overdose. Eric Chauvin did not kill him.

First of all, Spanky, I never said that police murder rates are just as bad, I said that they happen and that gang violence is also very apparent. Please don't take my words out of context, instead ask me why I said what I said, don't just assume.

even putting the police shootings in the same Universe as the black on black murder rates is a joke though..

Whatever you say

Define “a lot”…

1 out of 54 doesn't seem to meet the definition of “a lot”

Where did I say "A lot" in that sentence?

5%? so if there are 100 homicides , 5 are done by cops? That means 95 are done by bangers.. seems to me like you ar defeating your own comment about "a lot of homicides are done by police". 5 out out of 100 is more like minuscule.

- Yes, gang violence is extremely evident in most areas but, that still doesn't dull the fact that a lot of killings in underdeveloped and underfunded neighborhoods are by police, as well as gang violence.-

Second line 2nd and 3rd word.

Yea, I can read thanks. My apologies though, I thought you meant the top sentence.
And when I said "a lot", I meant that. 5% of homicides are done by the police, that may not seem like a lot but, think about it.

People should fear the police. When criminals have contempt for the police, they are not as effective. Fear is a tool that the police need. Dysfunctional families and communities are the problem, not the police.

eh the only people that should "fear " cops are criminals, Citizens that are law abiding should feel that police are allies , not oppressors. Criminals also need to fear retribution by our justice system, not be slapped on the wrist and then rereleased to recommit the same crimes. here in Chicago , some of the offenders have been committing the same crimes since they were 10 years old, and they are now 40. How many times do you let someone car jack people?

Well that is your opinion and I respect it, however, fear is not something you should use against people, that will only cause more issues. Police are meant to keep communities safe and make them feel protected, how can you feel protected when you are kept in fear?
That's like saying a child should fear their parents because it keeps them from acting out. Using fear is an old, outdated tactic, used to belittle others and make them seem as if they should give up and submit.
Criminals are people too, using "lethal force" causes more retaliation, I do not in any way, shape or form, condone acts of violence or theft, but when attempting to catch a criminal you shouldn't have to pull out a firearm unless they are violent and have a weapon as well.

Why aren't you 54 times more afraid of black on black shoorings and 54 times more outspoken against black on black murders?

Because IM black and I grew up around that stuff, of course I fear it ,but what I fear most is being mistaken as a violent person because I live around gang-violence.

Thanks but I got things covered

In light of your stated ethnicity, I suggest you have more reason to be afraid of your ethnic group than police.

Police killed about 250 blacks last year out of the 1200+/- police involved homicides. Caucasians were about 750 of that number.

Feel free to fact check to get precise numbers.

We don't know how many if those were justified and how many were an unarmed kid just "walking home while black".

We also don't know how many of the 250 were killed by black police officers.

Using the above stated ratio, you are 54 times more likely to be killed by a black male for "respect" or "walking home while black".

I should think that would be where one would direct their attention.

The murder rate and police homicide rate are interrelated.

If the black on black crime went down significantly, the police on black homicides would go down.

Most of those badges are scared of everybody - because they are trained to think of everyone as the enemy.

They have one ideology: if one of us is going to die, it will be you (meaning the civilian).

I'm gonna put this conversation to an end and I apologize if this comes off rudely, I have full respect for you and I have listened to the facts.
I understand what you're saying is true, throughout this entire conversation I have been fact checking, okay?

1. Black on black crime is high, yes

2. Murder from any side of the spectrum is wrong, no matter the circumstance. Lethal tactics are not needed for most criminals, unless...they physically harm you or pull a weapon. Resistance is going to happen no matter what, no one wants to be incarcerated but that does not mean it's okay to pull a gun and threaten to kill them.
(I do not support any sort of violence, I have said this before.)

3. I believe strongly that there should be a strict gun control policy, as in, no one (including law enforcement) should be allowed to own one, nor should they be sold to the public period. Guns are a main part of why there is so much violence, along with the division of cultures and society pinning one race on another.

Violence will always be apparent, it is the way of our nation and many other nations, i'm not saying it is the first thing that happens, in fact, I wish it wasn't a thing at all; No amount of arguments or back n' forth will ever put that to a halt.

Thank you for your time, I apologize if I have caused you any anger or stress. Thank you for listening respectfully and not just calling me names. Have a great day!

You are more likely to be mistaken for an opposing gang member by a violent gang and murdered by them. If a cop wants to make sure you aint a violent gang member, first thing to do is don't run, 2. is simply be respectful and 3. comply. I guarantee you will not be hurt by the officer.

You never know, i'm not saying your wrong, i'm saying that it really depends on the officer

"You never know, i'm not saying your wrong, i'm saying that it really depends on the officer"

The idea that cops are looking to murder black people is a lie started by race baiters, like Al Sharpton and Michelle Obama. The reaction you get from cops is directly linked to how you respond to them. They don't get promoted to higher ranks for killing people like gang bangers do. I know for a fact that Black peace stones, and the gangsta disciples raise rank for murder. I am sorry you were raised to fear cops.. but, it was a lie you were raised on.

You say that but ..you haven't seen what i've seen, I don't want pity, I just want people to understand that cop killings do happen frequently and that they don't get as much attention because they are said to be "justified" but..not a lot are.

"You say that but ..you haven't seen what i've seen, I don't want pity, I just want people to understand that cop killings do happen frequently and that they don't get as much attention because they are said to be "justified" but..not a lot are."

1. I live near the back of the yards on the south side Of Chicago, I seen everything you have and then some. I live in the hood for the past 43 years. There aint nothing you seen that I have not.

2. Police shooting have to be reported , you can find the data becuase of the freedom of information act. Its not 1960. All the data is at your finger tips.

3. You keep using terms like "a lot" which mean nothing because the numbers debunk what you are saying. The facts are saying the complete opposite of what you are claiming, so that tells me that you are using opinions rather than facts. Numbers are not opinions, Police shootings are absolutely rare and are under intense scrutiny.

I was about to be really childish but I won't be, thank you for your time and effort!

handling criminals with kid gloves is why we have such a ridiculous crime issues in certain areas. Overwhelming force should be used to stop gangs and criminals. Gang members should be afraid to leave their homes and show their faces in public.

Again, that is your opinion.

Actually, it is proven fact . When there is soft on crime legislation passed , crime always increases.

Okay, thank you for that.

All liberals gotta trust this source. The don't get any more leftist.

Read the article - read the facts.

See the sensational lie being spun.

Bear in mind, some of those killings were of armed criminals encountered in the act, aka - justified.

1,700 total, of all races and all circumstances, out of a population around 340,000,000...could be a lot worse.

Liberals?
Who said I was anywhere on the political spectrum

Relax, calm down, chill out...That portion of the comment was directed to anyone who identifies as a liberal, not those that don't.

Identify is crazy

🤫 we wouldn't want to insult anybody sensitive to such microaggressions.

Ngl, I really don't get the whole political spectrum thing. Seems like it was created to divide one nation, it causes so many arguments.