Make Love Not War

The only evil involved were the Japanese and their Bushido code and barbarity against those they vanquished.

I’m glad we eventually did what needed to be done to end the relentless slaughter…

And they deserved it. They should have surrendered when given multiple chance to do so. The alternative was to invade Japan with expected losses of over a couple of million people on both sides.

No regrets. Whatsoever.

They WERE surrendering. That's been proven. They were already in the process of negotiating their surrender, we just wanted it done before the Soviets opened a theatre with Japan. That's it! That's the reason we committed one of the greatest attrocities in the history of the world! To get an advantage in an upcoming political rivalry!

Then again, it is like you to defend that.

No

That is not really true. Some factions wanted to negotiate peace and some did not. It was far from a done deal.

So? There were forts of Nazis in Europe that didn't surrender for months after the war was over.

Of course, those were on the west coast of France where the Soviets weren't racing to capture them first. So we didn't feel the need to drop a giant annihilation machine on them. You see the difference?

When we had the Japanese government split into factions that collapsed the control over the war effort, THAT'S A WIN. We were there. We had it. It was ALL about turning it into a competition with the Russians.

None of that makes any sense.

Bullshit

It’s his MO

Utter and complete bullshit.
The Russians only got in at last moment for territorial claims. They were absent throughout the war.

......yeah. That was the point. So that THAT would happen. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Then you should have articulated your point better…

.... that we only dropped the nukes to race against Russia? I said that.

You don’t know what you are babbling about

And no… we weren’t “racing” against Russia with the atomic bomb.
The “race” was to Berlin… and Eisenhower stopped our troops at the Elbe River when he found out that the eastern half of Germany was going to go to the Russians after the Germans were defeated. He reasoned that there was no sense in getting more of our G.I.’s killed for nothing.

This will shock you, but it's an important piece of information. Are you sitting down?

Ready?

It's possible to get to Japan from Russia by going East.

It's actually true! You would think that the only way is to go West past Europe, America, and two oceans - but there's actually a shorter way and the Russians knew about it in 1944, the cunning foxes.

No. You are still confused. Do a bit of reading on the subject.

Seriously, look at an atlas. Don't take my word for it.

Or, do you have a globe at home? Try just spinning the entire ball in the other direction.

Yup, totally about the Russians.
Just like today, eh? We defended ourselves in WWII as an excuse to show the Ruskies how big our man-sized ballsacks are, just like we're helping Ukraine now just to show that our scrotums can still stink just as bad when we shove them up some simply misunderstood Commie's nose. We're very mean to Russians like that.

They were 'surrendering' not 'unconditionally surrendering'. Countries back then didn't play by the Queensbury Rules of Boxing.

Unconditional surrender has happened like three times ever. We didn't slaughter tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of civilians because the paperwork wasn't being processed fast enough before nuclear bombs were made, did we? What kind of weak excuse is that?

It's not an excuse at all, nor was it provided as one.
It was an observation based on facts. Which, btw, is what everyone has been doing here except you in this stange quest of yours to justify Japanese aggression in the war they started on multiple fronts while condemning actions by others to end it.

BULL F**KING SHIT, MODDA!

I SAID NO SUCH THING. Condemning OUR war crime does not justify THEIR war crime, and not once did I say any such thing.

It REALLY pisses me off when you get like this. It REALLY does. The others, I get it - they're just hopeles, no redeeming features. But you, it really hurts to see that someone like you is capable of THIS level of just pure obvious nonsense.

Ad Hominem

That's not what ad hominem means but don't worry about it, it wasn't a discussion that involved you.

Were? As in after Nagasaki? How much longer after that were they processing their surrendering?
Well, good thing about nukes then, they sure help the ink dry quicker.

They got what they asked for - almost. You ask any of the countries they invaded and occupied and they might differ from us a tad bit in how soon Japan was allowed to surrender. They might have wanted a weeeeeeeeeeeeee bit more time to quite literally hammer out the details, one split Japanese atom at a time................. in rapid succession,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Oh. Well, when you put it like that, then I guess the instantaneous vaporization of 200,000 civilians who were not running the military conflict we were trying to leverage the end of is OK then.

No where near that number, sport.
40,000-50,000 people perished on the day the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.
Best estimate for Nagasaki was around 40,000
Those are facts from The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.
You clearly are clueless on this subject and should just slink away.

Oh, well that makes it ok then. Who cares if the death toll of civilian life for the sake of diplomatic leverage only went into five digits.

You, apparently.

No, I'm not Emperor Hirohito. I'm not advocating a war that was over a tad bit over a lot before I was born.
You, on the other hand, are justifying it.

How many did those sick vile bastards kill? By what exact high percentage did civilian deaths exceed military at the end of their guns? Why are you ok with this?

Or 7 digits as with what the Japanese did to other countries - more , in fact, than the Germans did, and for longer too, as WWII started a lil' earlier for them.
But that doesn't matter because those people somehow count less than flexing pecs for Russians?

See, again, you're really just advocating that war should be about WHICH innocent civilians should be mass murdered. That's not ok.

As if a mass murdering war criminal on a military campaign is going to go "ah, shoot, Steve the Fishmonger is a lump of carbon now. I wouldn't have raped anyone if I'd known HE was going to die."

When are we going to start talking about war in a more productive way than "it sucks to be a civilian no matter where you're from but we're looking for the checkmate move and we'll kill anybody to get it"? I mean for God's sakes, that's exactly why we have the Geneva convention.

Of course not, they get a pass. It ain't like we're talking Nanking here after all.
That's different, right? Those citizens are different, right? The 200,000 to 300,000 deaths in the Nanking Massacre alone is totally different because they raped first, right?

This WWII crap is just a strawman because there is no way to defend sending cluster bombs to Ukraine.

Yeah, exactly. It had nothing to do with it. Hence why it had nothing to do with it Nor does bogeyman Biden. He's not THAT old.

Thafrig are you going on about?

Remember the OP? Had nothing to do with Japan. Cluster munitions kill civilians. That is why they are banned by most countries. Biden's policy makes him a war criminal or at the very least an asshole.

......sssoooooo, the punishment for organized soldiers committing the orchestrated massacre of civilians is that just as many completely other civilians get massacred as well?

Well, that solves the issue of war and who pays the cost, doesn't it. Good job.

There’s a job title called “War Starter”??

“The people who did were somewhere else.” 😂 😆 😝 😜

.....yes!!!! There is a job in which you start wars! It's an entire career line, in fact! How is this news to you???????????

They started it, Zippy. They sowed the wind, let them reap the whirlwind.

When you’re in a hole, stop digging.

Again, they were civilians. They started NOTHING. It was not their job to start a war. They did not have that kind of power. The people who did were somewhere else.

disappointment*

Biden approved shipping cluster bombs to Ukraine because US military is running out of conventional munitions. Can't we do better than that?

Ya I was kind of thinking that as well.

It does seem messed up considering remnants will probably be a problem years from now.

But also like....idk.. it's their own military choosing to use them there or not use them. Desperate times call for desperate measures? Also if there is going to need to be a clean up effort anyway considering Russia is also using 'em, then there's that.