Shit about to get real....bad for woke/leftists

I'm not against Trump, but I'm not sure he can win. His base is strong, but he will need to win over moderates as well. That's going to be a tall hill to climb.

I agree. But a fact that has gone unexplained is that in 2020, Trump received 5 million more votes than he got in 2016. No one in the media has attempted to explain how during the 4 years of 24/7 onslaught by the media puking out their vitriol against Trump day in and day out and he somehow GAINED more voters?!?

More voters (154.6 million) turned out for the presidential election in 2020 than in 2016 (137.5 million), the largest increase between consecutive presidential elections since the inception of the CPS voting supplement in 1964.

President Biden: 81 Million Votes
Trump: 74 Million Votes.

Hey! At least Trump got more votes than President Obama. Silver lining.

Elections are rigged. Is not about winning moderates, but it is about bringing corruption and cheaters under justice.

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How is he not a politician?

So what? We call politicians we adore non-politicians?

Lol

What a joke.

Way to prove you don’t care about politics but your subservience to government.

Ok.....so can you admit that Trump was right about fake news re Russia ect ?

Trump was about as accurate as a broken clock. He sure did wiggle and squirm a lot like a worm on a hook during the Russia Collusion scandal.

He was also right when he said, “I’m f**ked” and “this is the end of my Presidency.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/18/trump-mueller-report-presidency-1281244

Maybe he should’ve just endured whatever Putin had on him and just stopped agreeing with him on every single thing.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/trump-trusts-putin-on-north-korea-more-than-us-intelligence-mccabe/amp/

And kept his mouth shut in 2020; and maybe he would’ve be finishing his second term in 7 months.

Oh well.

Personally, I hope Biden is also a one-term President. But I guess we’re so narrowly focused on Trump, or any Republican heavily criticized by the media, that we think the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Still a politician tho, through and through.

Just because you like a cop doesn’t mean he isn’t am officer.

MAGA needs to let the fiscal conservatives back in, and actually do their homework on policies.

MAGA would sooner vote for a Democrat being criticized by the media than any fiscal conservative Republican.

"He was also right when he said, “I’m f**ked” and “this is the end of my Presidency.”

Leftists are simpletons enough to believe that was some sort of admission of guilt (more realistically, they were told by the lying media to believe that, so of course they did) whereas anyone with two brain cells to rub together took it for what it was; a realistic assessment of the situation based on how he knew the lying media had treated him, and would treat him for the balance of his presidency in light of the media's lies.

You’re underestimating the claim if you believe only leftists took it as an admission of guilt.

The last President to not win the popular vote by the lowest margin and yet still win only a single term was John Q Adams.

While I agree the media is particularly unfair to Trump; relying on it as the sole reason for why he is so unpopular, rather than his own actions and character, shows far more nativity than reading his statement as a perceived admission of guilt.

This is why it is extremely important that the Republican Party ditch him. The only real accomplishment by Donald Trump is the fanaticism he inspires, which is no different than one shared by any popular celebrity rather than an accomplished representative or diplomat. That is what this country really needs.

Not some idiot who can’t keep his mouth shut or exaggerates what little he can call actual accomplishments or contributions to the office. He went to work today, he agreed with the very establishment he rails against, he answered some questions by the media… big deal. He deserves as much of a participation trophy as the current President. Which is none at all.

Keeping us a partisan country only hastens the divide which is good for Trump, bad for the country.

United we stand, divided we fall.

And don’t give me that alarmist crap that we’ve already fallen.

If we are fallen then you’re doing nothing but wallowing in self-pity and grief on a site while sitting rather comfortably on your phone or computer that makes the claim that the US is fallen all the more laughable.

"You’re underestimating the claim if you believe only leftists took it as an admission of guilt."

interesting observation. Please continue...

"The last President to not win the popular vote by the lowest margin and yet still win only a single term was John Q Adams."

Not sure where you're going with this, but I'm paying attention.

"While I agree the media is particularly unfair to Trump; relying on it as the sole reason for why he is so unpopular, rather than his own actions and character, shows far more nativity than reading his statement as a perceived admission of guilt."

Okay, now we're getting somewhere! I think this is a valid and mostly fair observation on your part. Trump is one of his own worst enemies with the way he talks. I think it appeals to a lot of people on a purely emotional level, but often times what he says makes me cringe, so I get it, and clearly agree with part of what you're saying. What I always tell people to do is look at whet he (and actually all politicians) do as opposed to what they say. And what he did was great for the country, imo.

"This is why it is extremely important that the Republican Party ditch him."

Not sure I agree with this opinion (stated as fact) but I can understand why some feel that way.

"The only real accomplishment by Donald Trump is the fanaticism he inspires..."

You're close to going off the rails now.

"Not some idiot who can’t keep his mouth shut or exaggerates what little he can call actual accomplishments or contributions to the office"

Now your train has left its tracks. Chronic TDS: confirmed!

"Keeping us a partisan country only hastens the divide which is good for Trump, bad for the country."

For some odd reason, as I read that sentence, president Obama flashed into my mind. Swap out the name Trump for Obama, and it's a bingo! (sorry, I'm not trying whataboutism or deflection, in case you feel that way)

"United we stand, divided we fall."

Agreed, but we have to learn tolerance for each other's POV for that to return, imo.

"And don’t give me that alarmist crap that we’ve already fallen."

Wouldn't dream of it. But you have to admit, we're headed down that path, right?

Excellent post. I don't agree with a lot of it, but you make your points with relative calm, which I appreciate.

I think far too many people exaggerate how terrible the country is no matter whom is president.

Be it Biden, Trump, or Obama.

Obama was infinitely more popular than Trump or Biden.

While they both scored more votes in 2020 than Obamawambapantalonies…. This was more a direct response to the Trump term rather than a genuine political intention on election (because Republicans still scored more gains than losses in 2020).

I firmly believe any Republican could unseat Biden with but one exception. Possibly two now.

I definitely believe Trump as the Republican nominee is an easy win for Biden.

Something I vehemently do not want.

I admit, I don’t want Trump either but his policies and, objectively, the policies prioritizing religious freedom, states rights, and parental rights to protect the children are not winning stances anymore than they were in 2020, 2012, 2009 for Republicans as they weren’t winning stances for Democrats either.

And objectively, focusing on discriminatory legislation that appeals solely to extremists does nothing but radicalized a diminishing base and causes not just moderates, but conservatives like myself to sigh and pull that now metaphorical lever for the only less insane option.

Republicans need to go back to playing it safe to make Democrats outlandish policies look foolish. Trying to ramp up the what they perceive to be populist policies in order to stay relevant does more harm than good.

I suggest we at least prioritize people who actually served in the military with honors, actually passed the bar exam and only served or worked under a district attorney, or actually ran a successful business that has a product known about on at least a regional level with very little controversy.

Not saying these are the only types of Republicans we should vote for, but I am seeing far too many flunkies and floozies who wouldn’t know a good book or knew how to turn on a computer if it bit them in the ass.

I’m liking this Asa Hutchison bloke. But we won’t choose him.

And we’ll get another four years of abysmal, get boring, Bidenfofiden.

"I think far too many people exaggerate how terrible the country is no matter whom is president."

Only a fool ignores warning signs, and the warning signs are there, imo, and it's not alarmist thinking. The economy is obviously very important, but it goes in cycles. POTUS get too much credit when it does well, perhaps too much blame when it tanks. Let's say we have four more years of the Listless Vessel; we could be in for real stormy seas.

To me the real issue is foreign policy. The Listless Vessel has, at least on the face of things, helped keep the situation in Ukraine from escalating. I'm just not sure if it's because of some inherent political skill, or the fact that he's trying to cover his ass for all his family's illegal business dealings there. Either way, so far so good, imo (but it's cost...). That could change in an instant.

I don't think he would be so lucky if a situation involved China. Not so much because of his family's illegal business dealing there, but because the CCP is a bit more of a tiger to tame than Ukraine. If China makes a move on Taiwan, I'm confidently fearful that Joe will blow it.

"Possibly two now."

The other being the one who cleverly called Dementia Joe a Listless Vessel?

"I definitely believe Trump as the Republican nominee is an easy win for Biden."

Maybe, maybe not. I think in 2020 people assumed Biden would be competent, but now they know better. He can't hide in his basement this time. The drugs they have to give him to make him coherent will eventually turn what's left of his oatmeal brain to toast.

"Something I vehemently do not want."

Trump as the nominee or Biden re-elected? (or both! sorry, just joking around with that one!)

No room to address all the seemingly rational and probably good points you make the rest of the way. But I will say that I agree with you about needing to pivot from traditional republican issues if they want to win in '24. I'm inferring that you do not like Ronnie D, right? He's obviously a lot like Trump on policy but not as abrasive. Regardless, the liberal media already hates him and will no doubt try to destroy him as they tried with Trump.

So who's left? Asa? Like you said, nope. Nikki, Tim, Pence, even Tulsi if she turns all the way? We'll see. But unless things change, the only viable alternative to Trump seems to be Ronnie D. Can he overcome a biased media? imo, republicans should only care about who can win between him and Trump, not which one it is.

I don’t think we’re as bad off economically as has been projected. Is there inflation? Yes. Is our economy as strong as it was? No. But every country has seen struggle on every economic front since 2020 and none of the economic policies are greatly placing the country at risk.

Except for one stupid proposal we default on our debts or that we cut our spending in any necessary capacity. It’s always been political on how we should prioritize our spending, even though it seems to me most people largely agree on what our spending should be focused on. The problem also lies in whom and how much should be taxed.

Generally speaking, Republicans believe little to no one should be taxed or taxed very little. This is an unrealistic perspective and only hastens our economic decline even if it may face artificial or short term benefits. Had we not reduced taxes under Trump, we would’ve been better off than we are now. Would it have made a great difference? No, probably not and I won’t argue the hypotheticals as 2020 was too much of a wild card.

I do think most of our economic issues would’ve eventually reared itself under Trump’s policies but 2020 hastened that decline.

I don’t want Trump or Biden nominated nor re-elected, so both.

DeSantis is abrasive. And had he not taken recent stances for discrimination, he would be my choice. He at least knows the Game. Trump only knows there is a Game, but couldn’t tell you how to play it or fix it beyond vague but exciting platitudes. DeSantis, at the very least, could get the legislation that radical MAGAs want to keep America First and make sure the waning and unrealistic expectations of the Norman Rockwell Nuclear Family persists another generation or two, severely hurting mixed and minority (not just from a racial standpoint) families in as hopefully only a mere afterthought (or lack thereof of thought). It is too bad there are too many MAGA Republicans who only have eyes for Trump who is extremely likely to lose to Biden.

Nevertheless, I agree that DeSantis is the Republicans more realistic choice. But it’s still early and I hope an up and comer is able to still surprise us.

But barring any surprisingly popular Republican alternative to DeSantis or Trump, without Moderates; Biden may yet get a second term.

I bet the mass moving will be the new blame when Biden wins. Republicans writing stricter legislation on how long voters must wait to register in new state.

Dumb idea

In reply to your first paragraph, I'd say that if we hadn't over-reacted and shut down our economy needlessly, and printed up money to pay people to stay home, we and the rest of the world would not be suffering from the inflation that we have suffered from, and are still suffering from. Simple math tells us that 5% inflation now, results in a larger number than it would have been if we hadn't had 12% or whatever it was, before. (yes, just rough numbers, likely not precise, but it's to illustrate the concept... I know you'll get it, unlike another imgflip user who shall remain nameless, but rhymes with Dodda.)

I think that they can hash out all the details they want, but until we start spending less than we take in, we're headed down the road you said we weren't. At what point does it become a problem for the tax and spend types (from both parties) to continue spending more than we have, and piling on to the deficit? I mean that literally. Because if we don't stop, and neither side seems to have even tried up until now, we will be in the position of 100% of our discretionary spending being used to service the debt. At a minimum we have to pay for defense, social security, etc., so the deficit spending will have to stop when we hit that wall But all the discretionary spending that libs love so much will at some point have to come to a screeching halt if we don't get it under control. It's simple math.

Besides, what kind of generation will history consider us to be if we pass along (well, when we pass along) this unseemly debt to future generations? My grandparents were part of the greatest generation, and apparently I'm a part of the deadbeat / worst / most pathetic / most fiscally irresponsible generation. It's not something I'm proud of.

"Generally speaking, Republicans believe little to no one should be taxed or taxed very little."

I don't know about this. I'm not a republican, and I don't like paying taxes, but I'm willing to do so when I know the money is going for things that it should go for. Not so much so when it's going for pork to Pencil Neck Schiff's district.

What stances of discrimination has DeSantis taken?

I think it was a good idea to shut down initially because we honestly didn’t know much about the virus at the time. Preliminary reports were that Covid had a fatality rate of 1% or higher; which is what triggered the national emergency in the first place.

We haven’t tackled a thing like this in almost 100 years and the protocols back then were observed as archaically lacking to modern standards.

But the shut downs did cause panic; both from the overwhelmed and underwhelmed response by those in the medical community and the general public respectively.

Even if we had responded exactly as we should have to combat the virus effectively, we still would’ve had inflation due to the unexpected economic impact.

Take Sweden, hailed as the one country that seemingly handled it the best by not shutting down, is still experiencing record high inflation compared to before covid.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/375283/inflation-rate-in-sweden/

This is because the rest of the globes economy also impacts local economies.

To expect every country to have reacted to covid as efficiently is incredibly naive.

DeSantis banned hormone treatments to children who may need them outside of gender affirming care.

DeSantis has also made it difficult for LGBT children to seek aid and education from teachers and limited the education administrations to help them if they’re being abused at home.

He has also legalized religious discrimination in medical practices in the form of religious freedom.

Many of these are very appealing to MAGA Republicans, are being painted with good intentions, but will inevitably backfire.

Almost none of them are constitutional and are likely to stay part of the legislature despite many copy-cat legislations by other state official being drafted and passed across the country.

At the very least, they’ll be amended or reworded but ultimately made toothless or address the purposely discriminatory elements. But otherwise, they’re still government overreaching regulations.

They’ll likely be gone or made irrelevant in three decades.

But it may get DeSantis the Presidency. And, of course, that is all that matters.

Until the victims of this legislation grows up and votes more radically left than I’d prefer. Which is not at all.

You mean like the lie that Trump is not a politician?

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…