Even if the statistics show that more Republican Presidents resided over recessions than dems... Tax breaks not the cause.

Nope, he did the opposite, and dunderhead Reagan took the credit, even after doing his darndest to sink us further into recession, which he did during and as he exited.

Weren't the 80s a time of economic boom in the United States?

If you like double digit inflation, sure, and the glare of the party's over, as those coming of age faced a future with a lower standard of living than their parents.

It started off bad, got better, bad again with the Savings and Loan Crisis, and Reagan's policies blossomed into a recession during George HW Bush's term as well, which, of course, Bush was blamed for.

What Reagan did, Like GW Bush Jr and Trump, was frottage his own leg while proclaiming how amazingly wonderful the economy is by the grace of his sheer awesomeness and Pepsodent smile. GHW Bush Sr was actually criticized for not doing this, in effect, by not shelling out the bucks while on a shopping spree at JC Penny's for the camera during the recession. "How do you expect consumers to start spending like crazy again," he was told, "if you're being frugal yourself on tv?"
Basic image vs reality, and Reagan loved sparkling that glitz, Hollywood style, like it was the 4th of July.

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/much-of-what-youve-heard-about-carter

Nothing said doing biz in America in the 80s like a vodka and a bump over lunch!

So in light of these “facts” and the current state of the country, biden has become a Republican?

You mean traitor, and or communist?

Biden's economy IS better than the trump economy.

Just because YOU believe otherwise doesn't make it so

Wooooow. I think the problem is we both live in very different realities... Until that is ammended, I'm afraid we won't agree on much.

So you dont like facts?

That is an accurate graph of gdp dude.

You know gdp right? The actual measurement of the whole economy not your single personal anecdotes.

Facts are facts.
https://www.factsarefirst.com/metrics/

Let's try this another way....
You approve of the Republican tax cuts for rich and business right?

Why haven't those tax cuts resulted in an economic boom and good stock market performance?

The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Maybe because something rotten is going on? There are many factors aside from tax breaks. If you're a powerful person who doesn't want Republicans to look good, you find ways.

Trump said his gdp growth would be 5-6% PER YEAR.

AND HE GOT AROUND 6% TOTAL over his entire 4 years.

AND YOU THINK THAT IS SUCCESS?

Face meet palm.

Well, he reached his goal. I'd say that is a level of success.

How did he reach his goal?

He said 5-6% gdp grpwth EVERY YEAR.

He barely got a total of 6% over his entire 4 f**king years.

Wake up and learn something dude

I misunderstood. I thought you meant 6% every year is what he accomplished. Still, any growth should be considered a success, wouldn't you agree?

He achieved 1.5% gdp per year over his 4 years.

That is nowwhere near the 5.5% he stated he would achieve

So your theory is that dems make Republican economic policies fail and can then swoop in and get all the rewards from those tax cuts but only if a dem is in the Whitehouse?

I assure you that the dems aren't that smart and not capable of the exact timing that would be required to pull that off.

I also notice that after Trumps economy dips, it starts to rise again precipitously, so your own graphs don't really prove your point. As to my point, a Biden economy can look good by certain metrics and still be BS.

Pay no attention to that graph - so one quarter of negative GDP just happened to be in the once in a 100 year pandemic when state, county, and city "leaders" were shutting down everything in the country against the president's advice?

Trump was good, but he couldn't fix stupid. Stupid did as stupid does.

Thank you for being in my corner, Abby.

"Trump was good, pay no attention to that graph"

Ahahahahahah that hoax did him in didn't it.

But look closer at that graph you ignorant tool.

Biden has higher gdp in the first 6 quarters that Trump.

And y'all wonder why we think y'all dumb as shit

Let's take 5.5% growth over 4 yrs.

Cumulatively that would be a total of 23.8% trump achieved 6.2 total his entire 4 years.

Trump achieved 1.5% gdp growth per year.

How does one view that as a success?

It's an improvement. It is not a detriment. It's a positive number. I could go on.

1.5 per when he said 5.5 per is a success to you?

His per year gdp growth rate was worse than Obama's dude.

You are wrong and the data proves you are wrong but your tender ego won't allow you to look at the data with an unbiased eye.

Just admit it already you don't know what the f**k you are talking about

Data is superficial......

Data is superficial. What a president does is more important. Obama was a monster who traded terrorists for a traitor, gave Iran nuclear capabilities, sent pamphlets to terrorists warning them when we were about to strike and thus letting them escape justice (and yes, he may have overseen the killing of Osama BinLaden, but the net harm was greater than the net good), spent billions on failed policies, hurt the family with his harsh climate regulations, sent thousands of guns to Mexican cartels, allowed millions of illegal immigrants to come across our border and wreck economies (although to be fair, Bush was no better in that respect, apparently), and I could go on. Like I said, levers were controlled to make the Obama years look good statistically. It's all very sneaky and dirty, and it apparently is working on you and millions of others. Look beyond statistics. Look into the eyes of the devil with eyes unclouded and you will see their true character and intentions. This is always the case with politicians.

Goddammit dude you are one dense motherf**ker.

Explain why you THINK tax rates should be lowered for people that have become rich and successful under the old rate.

They don't need any more f**king help.

I agree they don't need help, but explain to me how charging them less tax helps exactly. You're still taking their money. They earned that money in most cases. At least tell me you'd be willing to pay a third of your income so that it can be wasted on hamster fight club and seeing how beagles react to heroine...

Correct again, your delightful whataboutism serves to further highlight your hypocrisy.

As already pointed out, by trying to lay blame on another, you effectively indicate that you are aware that what you are criticizing is a negative. Trying to toss that on to someone else's lap doesn't make it disappear, as you just tossed it on their lap for them to see. Not exactly the best hiding place.

You're good at this!

How am I being a hyppocrite? I admitted that Trump may have made some errors. Tis Human, afterall.

Unlike with you, this isn't about ego. I want what is right for everyone, not just myself.
Also, let me get this straight... It's wrong for someone to want to pay 100,000 rather than 2.66 million?

Dude they already got successful with the old tax rates why in the f**k do they need even more help with tax cuts?

Keeping their tax rate the same is not punishing them in any way. How in the f**k does someone think that is punishment?

Man you are so f**king brainwashed.

I am starting to think you are a trust fund baby scared you may have to pay a little bit of tax.

Nope. Broke as a joke. But I have dreams, and I don't want them to be quashed by bad tax policy. Even you have to admit that the tax code is f**ked. We need to simplify it. Your idea that I am brainwashed is BS because I pretty much told you I would be democrat if they weren't wrong in so many instances. I'm always open to change my opinion, but you showing me stats that could easily be manipulated and calling me names is not an effective way of changing my mind. It's like someone smacking someone around and getting angry when they smack back.

That is false. If a Republican does something wrong, I will not defend them on that thing. If they do more right than wrong, I will defend them in general. If the pieces were flipped, I'd be a democrat.

Yes, my vernacular and ability to debate without resorting to name-calling clearly idicates that I am the dumb one...

Why do you think already extremely rich and successful people need even more help?

They don't need help, but we shouldn't punish them for being successful. If you knew you were going to be punished for being successful, would you try to be successful?

You believe the Republican economic theory but when results don't follow you find excuse after excuse after excuse.

It's simple dude, Republican policies reward the already extremely wealthy. They get a tax cut they just add it to their pile which doesn't help the economy. Sure you say they will invest it and compound it pass it onto their heirs at which time it isn't taxed due to the step up basis calculation.

Avoiding taxes doesn't help the economy either dude.

Examine why you buy their nonsense

Class prejudice is an ugly thing, man.

Correct, we also spent two decades building, training, and arming an Afghan army.
Arming entails arming. We weren't counting on them to ditch and run on day one.

Whataboutisms are awesomating, but... wait for it... so what?
To excuse one by pretending to lay blame on another for the the first one's idiocy only establishes that you are very well aware what a massive moron Trump is. Adding the idiocy from another massive moron to that slice of stupid pie doesn't lessen the weight of massive moronicness, it only... wait for it... adds to it.

You are correct that "whataboutisms" are not a very strong argument. However, it is also necessary to point out hypocrisy whenever possible. You haven't denounced Biden yet, even though I admitted Trump was imperfect. I'm waiting...

You have been brainwashed into thinking Republican policies are good for the economy AND stock market.
Examine why you vote for that shit

No, I just use common sense. When you reward those who are driving the economy, more people want to drive the economy to get said rewards. Also, when you reward those who drive the economy, the economy is SUPPOSED to react positively. The only explanation to why it wouldn't is there is a deep-seated cancer in positions of economic and political power that reacts poorly to positive stimuli. Another explanation is these statistics may have been fudged. Common sense cannot be brainwashed into people. It simply is.

Dude you think Trump's 1.5 per was a success.

Reactionary denial in the form of fanfic revisionism - in its most sloppy and lazy form, no less - is not skepticism, it's outright partisan hack lying.

We fought a war against a terrorist enemy for 20 years - one that waged said terror against their own people as well - and he sold us out to them in a meeting that did not include the Afghan gov't we've spent decades building.
As a gesture of good shill, Traitor Trump had 5000 of their Taliban terrorist soldiers released in exchange for... nothing.

Afghanistan is not in the Midde East, btw,,,

Need I remind you that while Trump had his faults, Biden isn't as pure as the driven snow either. Did he not leave billions of dollars of American war equipment in Afghanistan not too long ago? Also, obvious alt account is obvious, damaged...

Well you know, all Muslims are alike....

Dude says data is superficial and calls others dumb.

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ShawnLJohnson said

"Also, let me get this straight... It's wrong for someone to want to pay 100,000 rather than 2.66 million?"

Are you really that f**king stupid?

10% tax on 1m is 100k leaving you with 900k.

33% tax on 8m is 2.64m leaving you with 5.36m

So you are saying with a straight face you rather be left with an after tax sum of 900k vs an after tax 5.36m?

Gd boy you just proved my point. You like most Republicans are dumb as shit.

You are mathematical and emotionally illiterate dude. Which explains why you are a Republican.

The greater point here is that 2.64 million is robbery, even if it is only a third of the person's wealth. Also, I understand that 33% of 8 million dollars is a lot more than 33% of 100 dollars. I get the point that the millionaire still has millions, but he's also given millions to thieves as far as any rational being can tell.

Literally every thing you said is a lie, totally the opposite of the truth, unless you were talking about Traitor Trump, the Trailer Trash King.

It's easy to manipulate information, because we weren't there ourselves to witness things. I merely have a healthy amount of skepticism. The article you clipped shows that Trump was working to bring peace to the middle east. Sometimes that means talking to our enemies. Why do you think I respond to these garbage posts?