You Can Lead a Liberal to Truth But You Can't Make Them Think

Your comment is funny, but not for the reason you think it is funny. Even a preschooler doesn't misspell a three letter word (not, not nit). Keep trying.

And btw, the meme does not rhyme & preschool is spelled without a hyphen.

Why bother with that one? It is clear the IQ levelnis stuck on middle school. Grammar and spelling is all that one has. No real input into politics, just low level fruit snatching....lol

Hey, it still got downvoted so it must’ve mattered for something.

Trump Supporters hate all objective analysis and facts.

By downvoting me for nothing, they prove that point every time.

Yuppers.

What is a neoconservative? I always thought those were essentially donkeys wearing an elephant costume, like Mitch McConnell. Liberals love to call everyone on the right a neocon, which I can guarantee, to libs, a neocon means racist, sexist, homophobe and bigot.

The only fascists in America reside in the Democrat Party. Fascism is and always has been just another variation of socialism and Marxism. Outside of the Democrat party there are no fascists, socialists, communists or Nazis, with the exception of the radical left who are too radical for the Democrat Party.

If you want the real definition of fascism then you have to look to the "father of fascism", Benito Mussolini. You need to look at what he did with Italy to understand what fascism is. You also need to understand why fascism got labeled a "right wing" ideology. Stalin thought Mussolini wasn't tough enough on business owners and as an insult called Mussolini he called him a right winger. Ever since WWII the left used what Stalin said to distance themselves from the fascism they once embraced. The left, the Progressives, looked up to Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini, called them the "men of the future".

The American progressive movement was started under Teddy Roosevelt. He didn’t look up to Stalin, Hitler, nor Moose. Nor have those in the progressive movement held any fascist in any favorable terms. Fascists were certainly inspired by American progressivism; but only in it’s authoritarian potential, not for it’s liberal merits. Progressivism is neither strictly liberal nor conservative. It has conservational aspects which is conservative in nature, and it seeks to use government as a tool to conserve; which makes it liberal. However, the progressive movement began as a direct response to constitutionalism, sound familiar? And this was popularized by John Locke. The Father of Liberalism.

Teddy Roosevelt did NOT start the Progressive movement, he was just the first Progressive president. The progressive movement started in the late 1800's, right after Marx passed away. Rich Americans sent their kids to school in Europe and the European universities for whatever stupid reason started teaching Marx's ramblings.

I know that Mussolini did not come up with the idea of fascism but as the first political leader to implement fascism, he became the "Father of Fascism". I can't remember the name of the guy who came up with it but he was also an Italian socialist.

Regardless the point I am trying to make is that fascism was created after Teddy Roosevelt. That is why Roosevelt had no connection with it.

Progressivism IS Marxism. It is true that Progressivism is found in both parties, it started in the Republican party with Roosevelt. However, it did not find a permanent home there like it did in the Democrat party (starting with Woodrow Wilson).

"Progressivism is neither strictly liberal nor conservative"

That is not accurate. I would reword that to say, "Progressivism is neither strictly Democrat nor Republican".

One major thing changed at the beginning of the Progressive era and that was the definition of liberal and conservative. They were reversed. Progressives wanted to be thought of in a pro-freedom, so they mounted a campaign to identify themselves as liberals.

This gave rise to a new party, in the early 1960's, who could clearly see that today's liberals were not at all supportive of individual liberty. This new party wanted to be associated with liberty but they couldn't call themselves liberals so they called themselves "Libertarians".

Locke was the Father of Liberalism, classical liberalism, not modern liberalism. In today's world Locke would be better described as the Father of Libertarianism.

The Progressive movement IS in opposition to Constitutionalism. You are correct. Wilson HATED the Constitution.

The problem is that the U.S. Constitution was written by "We The People" to tell the government what we will and will not allow them to do. It is a restriction on the government in order to preserve liberty of the individual and to put all political power in the individual, NOT the government. Does THAT sound familiar? The founding fathers were classical liberals but they were polar opposites from today's liberals. We fought the Revolutionary War to escape the liberalism of today.

"The only fascists in America reside in the Democrat Party"

And yet the people who call themselves fascists are conservatives

"Fascism is and always has been just another variation of socialism and Marxism"

Fascism is and always has been directly opposed to socialism. It's a far-right ideology

"Outside of the Democrat party there are no fascists, socialists, communists or Nazis, with the exception of the radical left who are too radical for the Democrat Party"

Not even close to factual. First of all, fascism and Nazism are directly opposed to Socialism and communism. You're not going to find both groups in the same party. Also, the Democrat party is comprised mostly of liberals. Fascists and Nazis are not liberals.

You probably don't even actually believe what you said, you just said it because you think it's a good insult. It's not.

"Ever since WWII the left used what Stalin said to distance themselves from the fascism they once embraced. The left, the Progressives, looked up to Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini, called them the "men of the future"."

Progressives and liberals today don't look up to them

"And yet the people who call themselves fascists are conservatives"

That's complete bull crap and you know it.

"Fascism is and always has been directly opposed to socialism. It's a far-right ideology"

Fascism was born out of Marxism. Stalin put them on the right side of the tyranny scale, but the tyranny scale is at the far left of the political scale.

Basically you just cannot be pro-constitution and pro-liberty and stand anywhere close to your side. Conservatives and Libertarians are the only ones in this country who are fighting to keep our liberty.

Democrats, liberals and the rest of you leftist HATE liberty. You hate everything this nation was founded on. You ARE the ONLY fascists in this country. And I mean real fascists and not the libs redefinition of fascism.

As far as your side's redefinition of fascism goes, your side perfectly fits that as well. The worst examples of white supremacy and antisematism are found on the left, where it has always resided.

Nope. I didn't get from jordan179. I've never even heard of jordan179. I got it from history. The left has done a very good job of trying to erase that part of history from high school and college history classes. But if you dig a little deeper into history, you'll find it. It's way to late at night and I'm going to bed now but I'll try to point you in the right direction to find that information.

I didn’t check History.com I guess, but where did they get their research from or is it a primary source?

You are correct that Mussolini was a socialist but when he learned about fascism it was not a radical shift. It's a great big deal to socialists and communists but to those who do not adhere to to any type of authoritarianism it is just splitting hairs.
Marx was the inspiration for all of those forms of collectivism.

You can put fascism and Nazism to the right of socialism and communism if you want. You can even call them the far right. But you're left/right scale is completely focused on the far left.

If you step back and look at the scale in its entirety the right moves way past all of that authoritarian crap. The true far right is anarchy. The scale you are focused on has no room at all for freedom to exist between your left and right. The fact is freedom does not even exist in and form of collectivism.

The United States was not formed in your scale, it couldn't because it was built on the freedom of the individual being vastly more important than the government. We are no longer that nation exactly because of the collectivists who infested our government in the early 20th century. The Progressives, the American left, who used to hold rallies in America in support of Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.

The United States was formed pretty close to the anarchy end of the scale but not full anarchy. We established laws and created a government to try to maintain civility without taking away any freedom.

"I understand how fascism became what you call "right wing" because it always was in the right of centre of politics. Hang on, there is a difference between Right Wing and Far Right. Right Wingers may be anti vaxxers and climate deniers, but the Far Right believe in far more conspiracy theories including White Supremacy theories."

What you must understand is that white supremacy is not right or left. It is not a political ideology. The KKK and the Neo Nazis were started by Democrats. I have absolutely no clue why they switched parties, but you can have them back. We don't want them. Especially when the Neo Nazis are running around spouting the exact same socialist BS as the Democrats but then turning around and voting Republican. I guess they are the idiots who keep nitwits like Mitch McConnell in office. Well, that can't be the reason for the leftist Republicans because there just aren't enough of them to sway an election, even in at the city level in a small town. They just don't have the clout or the numbers they once had when they were Democrats.

Any time you want those idiots back then, by all means, have them. They're all yours.

L"What you must understand is that white supremacy is not right or left. It is not a political ideology"

It is an ideology of conservatives. Ask some white supremacists if they support liberal values and see if any of them say yes.

"The KKK and the Neo Nazis were started by Democrats"

Assuming that's true (it's probably not), which party today, right now, is associated with them? It's not Democrats.

It is 100% true. There's no getting around the fact that both groups were started by Democrats.

Why they left, no one knows but them. They do not reflect the values of the conservatives in any way, shape or form.

The Neo-Nazis still believe in that socialism crap that the Dems worship. Maybe the Dems sent them over to the Republicans because they want to use them to make us look bad.