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Gonna be a hard pass from me.

It doesn't serve as a deterrent. People who commit intentional crimes don't think they'll be caught.

Killing someone doesn't change the past- the crimes still happened.

It doesn't solve anything.

That’s a very good way of thinking about it-
Huge f**king upvote.

I support the death penalty but I believe it should be reserved for very egregious crimes, and I also believe it should have a very high bar to be met, because far too many people in the United States have been executed for crimes they did not commit

Upvote for you my dude. True f**king facts.

Thank you

I believe the death penalty should be reserved for people in positions of power who abuse that power and kill innocent people.

Upvoted.

That's just all corporate people like people who make loans, on payday it's not just a charity case, if you don't pay the loan, they will make you go homeless and a lot of things, and usually you will end up dying if you cannot pay that loan. So you're saying people who make loans should be killed. That's probably not what you meant, but that's what I see.

Some people who make loans should be killed.

Alrigjt imma say the big no no word my OPINION is that if you take the loan you need to pay it you are taking the chance, you know the risks, you know if you are able to pay it or not, so if you don't pay it, who's that on? So if you go homeless because you took a loan and wasn't able to pay it, that is not the loan maker's fault, it is your fault(sorry I say you're for these things, I meant to say the person who took the loan)

I mean this is no way to offend anyone else's opinion btw, so please don't be angry about it

Why would you kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?

I don’t assume everyone on this stream thinks the same way, that’s why I was asking? Lol

War crimes? Sure. Otherwise no.

Fair. Upvote.

Saved for people that deserve a first class trip to hell. Otherwise no.

Application of the death penalty must meet two criteria, in my book:

1. Capital crimes with a body count higher than one.
--Murder one person, prison for life should be the maximum penalty, in my view. Murder two or more, that's a mass shooting or terrorist or war-crime type situation where death should be on the table.

2. There should be zero - zero - doubt of the accused's guilt.
--Criminal convictions only have to satisfy a "beyond reasonable doubt" standard. It's hard to quantify, but in my mind, that means an 80% or more probability of guilt. However, for the state to apply the death penalty, the probability of guilt should be 100%. Not 99.9%. 100%. In other words, reserved for Dylan Roof-type mass shootings where there are some or all of the following: multiple witnesses, video footage, caught-red-handed by the cops, a confession, and zero remorse.

Reserved for extreme scenarios like this, applying the death penalty helps bring closure to victims and to the rest of society, who can be assured the perpetrator won't somehow get out of prison on a technicality or a jailbreak, or simply live out the rest of their days in prison as a kind of human totem, potentially inspiring other sickos to commit the same or similar heinous acts.

Holy shit, we’ve had a breakthrough.
Coming from a 15 year old still trying to learn about these topics, I completely agree with everything you just said. Hats off to you
Massive f**king upvote and a follow.

Thanks, I've read and thought about this issue for awhile.

There are dogmatists on either side of this issue. Certainly I believe the way the death penalty is currently applied in certain U.S. states is a total mess. See: the recent botched executions in Alabama.

https://progressivetimesherald.com/alabama-botched-execution-among-worse-in-modern-history/

However, with reform, I do believe there is a place for it. There is no social value in letting someone like Dylan Roof spend the rest of his life in prison. Roof had ten direct victims (9 dead, 1 injured), dozens if not hundreds of indirect victims (family/friends, etc.), and put the entire country through an agonizing event.

Most troublingly, Roof actually inspired other white supremacist sickos with his hate. Every day that Roof's allowed to continue to live, even locked deep in the confines of the highest maximum-security prison, presents a clear and present danger to the rest of us.

The usual last refuge of a death-penalty defendant is the mental-illness or "insanity" defense. I think that's asking the wrong question. And it's a hopelessly muddied one. What does "insanity" even mean? Isn't anyone capable of committing mass murder in a church insane to some degree?

I don't really care if Roof is "insane" or not. I care about whether he's an ongoing threat to the rest of society, regardless of his mental state, regardless of his captivity status. And I think he is.

I press show full comment and I wasn't expecting this humongous book! XD