There is a reason why other countries don't have mail-in ballots... it's a primary source for election fraud...

Mail in ballots are the reason for the problem in Arizona. Nobody trusted the mail in ballots, and walk them to the voting place. And you can bet 90+% of them were republicans.

I don't know why....lol

And btw, why would anybody get a mail in ballot if they didn't ask for one?

Not only should we get rid of mail-in ballots, we should get rid of electronic voting machines. I'd much rather have a dispute over a hanging chad than no paper trail at all of our votes.

We have the technology. Use it to our advantage.

Republicans stop being sore losers challenge, impossible. https://i.imgflip.com/7055t8.jpg

Tons of video evidence is coming in. People recorded everything this time. From machines being shut down to vote counters building walls to keep poll watchers out to sharpies being given to republicans. Its all on video for the judges to ignore.

Is the "tons of video evidence" going to be court admissible this time? There seems to be some confusion about why that's important.

You've been saying this for two years.
Coincidentally, I've been waiting for two years for you to post it, anything. And no, some screaming QAnon MAGAts with placards don't count.

“I've been waiting for two years for you to post it, anything.”
Someone really needs to get a life.

1) I agree that election day needs to be a federal holiday that way everyone has it off and can go vote.

2) We disagree on voter ID. IT's come up before. It's a lengthy discussion. We'll save it for another day.

3) Eliminating mail-in ballots isn't feasible as it denies a citizen their right to vote. Any active military deployed away from their home, and their family, has just been disenfranchised. Then there's citizens who are out of the country on business or because of a job have to live outside of the country. Sure, not a lot of people, but you still have to account for them. Then there's the infirm. If you're forcing the country to vote on just 1 day, then those lines are going to be huge! There are people who are not capable of standing/waiting in line because of health reasons. You have just disenfranchised them. Then consider the rural vote. When "driving in to town" is a big deal that requires time out of a busy farm-life day, that's disenfranchisment again.

Does voter fraud happen in mail-in ballots? yes. Has it been a massive problem? no. The vast majority of fraud cases are elderly people who forgot they mailed it in already. Or they want to 'make sure' their vote gets counted and vote in person. The 3rd common is the "kid voting how they would have wanted" you know, the parent died but a ballot still gets mailed out and the grieving child fills out the ballot 'for them'. they're not doing it with a criminal intent. But they get discovered.

The least common form? The criminal one you're worried about. You have only to look at The Villages in Florida as an example. A possible 280+ cases, with 20 legit arrests.

But to the point- how do you make sure that citizens who can't go stand in a line in a specific county building have the chance to vote without a mail-in system?

When you work through the infrastructure and personal things that create barriers to voting that mail-in solves, what do you replace it with?

Is the mail-in system imperfect? Yes. But what do you replace it with?

What do you replace it with that also isn't a massive government bureaucracy that tracks every citizen from birth to death even more than it does now?

Well that's easy, replace it with an electronic system that uses blockchain and many servers that requires them to login with ID and two+ factor authentication (like their registered phone number) to vote and use military grade encryption with a key mailed to them that they have to enter (or scan with a QR code). Then you won't have any issues at all.

With this, you've added an insane level of complexity to the process.

Is that a federal system? How many of the states do you think will go along with a federal electronic system?

How are those servers you added going to be secured? Is that the fed or the state again? Who is going to secure them? What's the level of security? Is it the same for every state or will each state have a different level?

Then what happens if I couldn't pay my mobile phone bill that month? I can't complete the 2FA. I can't vote?

How are those encryption keys distributed? Who makes them? How are they secured?

BTW, military grade is a marketing term. It doesn't mean anything.

Also. what happens when the power goes out? What happens in Florida when a hurricane wipes out the states data centers?

Do you see the level of complexity you've added with a "simple" solution?

State level. Would make it perfectly legal.

Military grade is above a certain bit level encryption key. They update it frequently because of advances in computing power.

The encryption keys are generated by the blockchain. Look up how blockchain works.

That's the thing you don't understand the blockchain is secured by itself and every change is verified by all the other servers. Each blocks hash is part of the next block. So you can see tampering right away.

The level of complexity is the same as using a phone. The end user doesn't need to know how to program the blockchain. They just need to know to plug in their wallet then click the candidates they want in the screen. Let the watchdog groups keep it clean.

Lokaire. You're skipping past a lot of infrastructure needs.

What do you do when those servers lose connection? What do you do on election day when the power goes out but people still need to vote?

What do you do when that end-user who "doesn't need to know how" loses that wallet you want them to plug into the machine?

How do you verify that it's the actual end-user and not someone who has stolen their identity (along with their passwords, etc)?

mail-in ballots have none of these problems. They transit to and from the user via an established low-tech system that we know to be secure. There are various means of verification that exist now.

Switching to blockchain creates a series of problems that need to be resolved to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Same questions for current voting methods.

Or just check the electronic record against the hard copies of the ballots that we keep precisely for audit purposes. I thought you guys were obsessed with keeping government processes inexpensive or whatever?

TIFFY

The main point out of the Carter commission is that mail-in ballots are a primary concern for voter fraud... Even France outlawed them in 1975...

And the main point out of what we're seeing now is that for something so concerning to you, you sure seem to be having a ridiculously hard time proving that even one single mail-in ballot was fraudulent, let alone the hundreds of thousands you'd need to change the outcome to any of these elections.