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Libs: "I don't believe in God, I believe in science!
Also libs: "I don't believe in science, I believe my delusional feelings dictate reality!"

Depending on the scientist, science says the sperm is already alive regardless of joining a egg that is also alive.

Yes, sperm is alive, but not human. It only has half the DNA, and without outside intervention will not grow into a human and will simply die on it's own. I would argue that conception is the transformative moment when a human life begins.

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Like how I used Luke with the cut off hand? Lol

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*dark humor enters the chat*

The question is: is it a human life?
I've come to terms with it. You can't sin until you are born and only the sinless can enter heaven without being saved. So aborted babies get a free trip to heaven.

According to the Scriptures, our very nature is that of a sinner- committing an actual sin is not required, though it is inevitable.

I have no reason to believe that murdered babies, born or unborn, do not go to Heaven, but that still remains the providence of God.

We presume to think we know what transpires in the minds, and more importantly, the souls, of the unborn. We do not.

And none of this matters. The Word of God is also clear on the following:

*No single baby is conceived apart from the intervention of God- He "opens and closes the womb".
*God is intimately involved in the formation of this new life. Psalm 139
*All human beings are created by God in His image.
*God calls the killing of human life, murder.
*No one is sinless, and all require a Savior. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." There is no other way, including being murdered, before you can commit a *visible* sin.

Given God's sovereignty over every atom in this universe, He may well create only those who will be/would be redeemed by the blood of Christ that He knows will be murdered before they can intentionally make that choice. God also accounts for those, both unborn and born, who are not mentally capable of making right choices.

The more we know His Word, the more in this life makes sense. And there is no way of redeeming abortion, regardless of how we sinners try to justify it based on need, or concern, or want.

I had a sister-in-law (no divorced from my brother) who found out she had cancer while pregnant. She chose to take the risk of postponing treatment, which almost certainly would have killed her baby, until after she gave birth. Both are alive today. If she had decided to get treated, and her baby had died, this would not have been the same as the murder of abortion. Such instances are morally acceptable, though she decided to take the better of two roads when it comes to the kind of love that leads to true sacrifice.

That any mother would instead choose to have someone kill her baby has led to an accepted morality which has resulted in a clear deterioration of Western Society. When God said that we will reap what we sow, this wasn't meant as a "maybe".

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All of that is scripturally sound. Personally - I believe that ever knee shall bow and every tongue confess that He is Lord. Confession or proclamation that He is King and Lord and all He says he is - is the foundation of Christianity.

If every knee bows and every tongue confesses, who is left not believing? Not some of the knees will bow and some of the tongues will confess... But rather EVERY knee bows and EVERY tongue confesses.

It also mentions believers and non believers will be separated - that non-believers will be cast into the lake of fire. So if every knee bows and every tongue confesses... Who is left not believing? The answer is no one is left an unbeliever.

Even when questioned about Hell, Jesus said "do not fear Hell, but fear Him who has the power to burn both body and soul in Hell". He didn't say "fear Him who burns both body and soul in Hell" - but specifically to "fear Him who has the power to..."

Not many Christians see the message for what it is - God loves all of His Children and all of His Children will bow their knee and confess with their tongues. Are there souls in Hell? Sure - God put them there before Jesus made his sacrifice. Since Jesus came to earth and died for us -- I don't think He has had to place another soul in Hell. Because after Jesus' time here - every tongue has confessed and every knee has bowed, either in this life -- or when they got to the after life.

Nope. Go back and read it in context. It's in revelation and it happens at a certain point. So that everyone there will believe. But those that died up to that point and didn't believe will go to hell.

Right. Everyone who didn't believe up until Jesus. Also Revelation is a timeline of humanity, not the timeline of it's last years.

"Revelation is a timeline of humanity, not the timeline of it's last years."

For someone to be so far off from what the Bible actually says, you would have to not know God. Your theology is extremely dangerous, first and foremost to yourself.

The timeline in Revelation is very clearly about the Last Days, and it mirrors much of the prophetic passages found in the Old Testament.

Jesus spoke more on the subject of Hell than of Heaven, and He did so for a reason.

Based on your understanding of how a person is saved, there is literally zero reason for Him to have commissioned His Church to spread the Gospel, so much of what is written is completely unnecessary and essentially worthless.

When every knee bows, and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord, most will do so unwillingly, but without any choice in the matter- such is being in the Presence of a Holy God.

No, most on that Day will be exactly like the demons, for whom Hell was created in the first place"

James 2:19
You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
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Jesus explained that as God is Spirit, those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. True love cannot be forced- those who rejected Him will not suddenly change their minds when confronted by Him. This, I am convinced, is why God has arranged things as He has. Even if His Presence is veiled, we would be unable to resist His glory, so God has set up this world so that ****faith*** is the key component of how a person is saved. It will take zero faith in that Last Day for everyone to finally acknowledge that God is God.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Revelation 16:8-11 (emphasis added)
The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. Men were scorched with fierce heat; ***and they blasphemed*** the Name of God Who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.

Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became darkened; and they gnawed their tongues because of pain, ***and they blasphemed*** the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores; and they did not repent of their deeds.
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Jesus made it abundantly clear, that NO ONE will see Heaven unless they are born again.

John 3:3-6

Believe what you want man, you do so to the Lord. Just like me who also does so to the Lord.

I'll be with my bro JC when I croak, you too.

Are you sure about that?

I believe what I believe because it's what the Scriptures say.

You believe what you want to believe, and my first guess would be because there is sin that you do not want to repent of. Just a guess, but you will not find support for what you have stated on this site in the Bible.

Why do you believe the parts about going to Heaven, but not the parts about the fact that the majority of all people will end up in Hell? If you cannot believe those parts, which parts can you believe.

Yep.

I believe in a God of Love - that spells out endless love. I see the story that tells that in between the lines. I don't limit the capabilities of that love.

If you cannot quote the verses your theology comes from, it comes from your own mind. God is a God of love, and mercy and grace. God is also a God of justice and wrath, and He will not allow sin to stand.

You have a very limited view of who God is.

And, more importantly, you are wrong. Since God did not lead you to these conclusions, who did?

Go do your bible thumping elsewhere, there's people out there that need to hear it. I've heard it, subscribed & you're just being a pest.

How does a person get born again?

Dude it's the internet. I don't need to explain my salvation to you. Bugger off

Gets their head dunked in water by some fella mumbling or yelling and PRESTO! just like that, altered! reborn!?

Through water and fire. Look it up. A good place to start is www.blueletterbible.com

Are you born again?

Yep.

We are born with a sin nature, but that doesn't condemn us to hell. Only the actual act of sin does.

"We are born with a sin nature, but that doesn't condemn us to hell. Only the actual act of sin does."

Which means that all will perish. We cannot know for certain where the unborn fall into this, so I am content to know that they are in the hands of a loving Father. Perhaps He knows where their hearts would have led them, and that is enough, though I tend to side with your statement and assume they are taken care of.

But actual sin may include nothing more than our thoughts, and the state of our hearts. If we lust in our hearts, it is the same as adultery; if we unjustly hate another, it is the same as having murdered them. In such instances, God knows what mankind would do if all fetters were removed, and apart from the control of the Holy Spirit, there is no end to the depravity we are capable of.

Sure but babies don't lust. They just think about their physical feelings and needs.

I agree with you on almost nothing but ya.. it being considered "life" is basically meaningless in the eyes of most.

A plant is alive. Even the most religious nuts I know do not cry about murdering weeds. Some hippies might though idk.

I don't believe in the murder of plants. That why I exclusively eat meat.

"A plant is alive. Even the most religious nuts I know do not cry about murdering weeds. Some hippies might though idk."

Plants are not created in the image of God, and God didn't give people to each other to eat, whereas He specifically gave us plants for food. After the Flood, He then gave mankind permission to eat meat.

The argument here was regarding the distinction of "life".

As far as "the image of God", you're welcome to your opinion.

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