If the majority believes abortion should be legal then all states will vote for democrat senators, right?

The US government is to be based on the US Constitution. If the majority of Americans want to change the Constitution there is a process. Use it. Saying to hell with the constitution and ignoring the laws based on the Constitution, is an horrendous act easily on par with or exceeding the "January 6 Insurrection".

Up-voted. Yep . . . it's almost as if the typical leftist doesn't actually BELIEVE their own political propaganda.

The majority is not always represented. This is basically why a president can lose the popular vote and still win the election.

In any case it will be interesting to see how long this narrative about "states rights" lasts.

"The majority is not always represented."

In other words, mob rule is better than having a Republic?

The "majority" doesn't have the right to murder their own children, born or unborn.

A fertilized egg isn't a child

OoOoOh... Sick burn bro.

"Of any age" .... including the age of -0.4 apparently. Lol

We’re talking about embryos here. Why are you bringing up 3 months before the embryo has come into being? I know you have slow mental processing but at least try to stay on subject.

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More shots fired from the roastmaster!

Anyways... Doesn't matter if they're an embryo, fetus, clump of cells, bun in the oven, etc..... A child's age begins immediately after birth, so any of those not born yet would be a negative decimal as far as what you are calling a "child's" age.

If you want to split hairs about what the actual negative decimal would be, feel free.....makes no difference.

“A child's age begins immediately after birth” Purely based around a man made social construct. By actually using the existence of a singular human being’s distinct identity time in the womb is still part of your age.
The whole argument of “Do you celebrate your conception day” is idiotic. Maybe 1/25 people have a rough estimate of the general time they were conceived.
Further think of adopting a child or pet and you aren’t sure their date of birth. A lot of people simply celebrate the anniversary of the adoption. Which hints the birthday is more about getting to know the person rather than just the person existing ‘cause literally everyone exists.
And finally here’s where Schrödinger’s Cat comes into play. Somewhere around 12% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, 0.62% end in stillbirth. So the baby is still alive, but also dead. So a birthday is celebrating the conformation of life, not the presence of life altogether.

Now I know you’re probably going to make some stupid thing saying that my Schrödinger’s Cat thing should justify abortion. No, no it should not. Let’s say your cat is in a box with some poison, that still doesn’t justify smashing the box with a baseball bat. Same can be said about a fetus. Just because there’s a chance that it doesn’t make it to birth doesn’t justify tearing it apart piece by piece.

Ah yes.. "man made social constructs".... kinda like that definition you had just rattled off 2 comments before this book of comment which appears to be an attempt to change the subject.

I guess it's my turn to keep you on topic. This conversation is about what a "child" is vs an embryo/fertilized egg.... not what "life" is.

Do you believe that someone who beats the life out of a pregnant woman's baby shouldn't be charged with murder?

Well, no I was going off of linguistics and biology. You’re going off of a tradition themed around making a wish before you spit on a cake. Scientifically and linguistically speaking a fetus would fall under the classifications of “child” and “baby”. Whereas you’re going off something created in a time before ultrasounds to confirm the existence of a singular human being. By the definition of age time in the womb is part of a person’s age “the length of time that a person has lived or a thing has existed.”
Another argument you could have is that the idea of a person’s “age” is simply measuring their state of development. Because we classify a fetus’ development in time up to 9 months, but then suddenly the age restarts after being born. So it’s simply that when you say someone is 18 you mean they’ve had 18 years of development outside of the womb.

.. "Another argument I could have made"...?? Wow. Apparently it did not sink in that WAS my argument... which I was going off of your definition. “A son or daughter of any age.”

To say that a child is -0.4 years old is ridiculous. Idk where you're from but here in America before a child is age 0 it's a fetus... and before that it's an embryo.

My argument is that it’s illogical to say an embryo is 0 even though time has passed and as time passed said embryo grew

Sure. Time will pass and they will grow. And typically if someone is curious about the age of the embryo/fetus in a pregnant woman the question will go something like.. "How far along are you?" Not... "How old is your child?"

That doesn’t matter nonetheless the child was in existence at that point.
I’m starting to believe you legitimately believe in spontaneous generation. I really think you believe birth is just spontaneous generation that’s somehow connected to a woman’s stomach expanding for 9 months.

"you entirely misunderstood the coma argument".... First of all you seem to be operating under the assumption that I was using someone else's argument... (?) which would be false. If someone else has made that argument, it's coincidental.

Second of all "someone in a [*coma] eventually wakes up". False again. Someone in a coma may or may not "wake up". My example was assuming I was not waking up... In which case I would be clearly unable to make that choice or even be aware of it, and "my body" is a gray area where i mean it is my body but without consistent considerable external support it will die..... Like a fetus. Or at least one ≤22 weeks I think it was(?).... In any case I was only bringing that up to say that in my opinion, that is not exactly "life".

Third, trying to claim "my body, my choice" from the point of view of the fetus/embryo is ridiculous as it clearly has no conception at any point as a fetus of what any of that means and it resides inside of/and is fully physically dependent on another actual living being. But to circle back to where this discussion originated (from that "fool" Octavia.. lol ), a CHILD on the other hand, might understand that concept.

Finally I would say that it is somewhat interesting to me that you seem to be on board with suicide as a right... (?) You don't often hear that position from "pro-life" people.

“Finally I would say that it is somewhat interesting to me that you seem to be on board with suicide as a right... (?) You don't often hear that position from "pro-life" people.”

Well, yes because unlike you I go off of science rather than religion. Just because I believe suicide to be morally wrong doesn’t mean it should be illegal. On the other hand killing innocent people is illegal and therefore abortion being legal is inconsistent with other laws. Do I find it to be sad when someone kills themselves? Yes, of course.
Whether you believe a fetus is at a higher level of existence or not doesn’t matter, it’s still a distinct human life and by justifying killing them in that state invites infanticide which will then spread to murder of children in general which will then eventually spread to anyone you see to be a “lower being”. If killing anyone was legal I wouldn’t care that abortion was legal because then you wouldn’t be dehumanizing people, but rather humans wouldn’t be considered of worth in the first place.

I'm well aware that at some point I myself was an embryo but I do not remember ever actually being one. Does that mean I never was one or that I believe in spontaneous generation? No. But if I had been spontaneously generated it seems my awareness of my prior state (or lack of a state/existence) would be essentially equal.

If I remembered ever being a fetus I would probably feel totally different about abortion but I don't. And no I don't necessarily think anyone forgetful or who is in coma or whatever should be immediately put to death... But if I ever was in a situation where I, as an adult, for some reason (accident or whatever) reverted back to a reality such as that... Entirely physically dependant on a machine or something to "live" in something akin consciously to a comatose state being fed by a machine through a tube or something.. death might be a preferable option for me. I mean sure..... technically I would be "alive"..... but I'm not sure I would really call that a "life". (At least not in the same way that what I have now is a life.)

Even worse would be a "life" of constant pain.. So this probably ain't exactly a plot twist but I would support people having the option of euthanasia as well as abortion. So ya ermagherdd I'm a total monster who wants to murder everyone.. I know, I know.
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Ok, you entirely misunderstood the coma argument. Someone in a eventually wakes up and now they can choose to keep living or not. So same with a fetus since the fetus hasn’t gained consciousness yet it should live until it can decide whether or not it wants to commit suicide. We believe in “my body, my choice” you don’t.

The *embryo was in existence. An embryo which may never become a child.. in the same way that if a child dies it may never become an adult.

"Spontaneous generation"
Oh... Why do you think that..?

Because you pro-aborts act like every human wasn’t an embryo at one point.

Never made any claim as far as my opinion on the best system of government. Simply responding to Charles and to what the OP is implying.

I understand you and however many millions of Republicans feel that way and that is exactly why I think the current narrative about "states rights" is complete bullsh*t. This is merely Republicans' latest step towards a national abortion ban.

"This is merely Republicans' latest step towards a national abortion ban."

Correction- it is the latest step towards outlawing a particular mode of murder.

As it stands right now, the States are in charge of the issue, so liberals everywhere can still go and have their child murdered, to pay the price for their stupid promiscuity.

How is it that you liberals think for even a moment that you have any standing on intellectual dialogue, when you cannot control your urges long enough to put a condom into play?

Yes, what an awful thing those wascally Wepubwicans want to do- stop the wholesale murder of innocent human beings.

You're welcome to your opinion.

And no, if anyone murders their child anywhere, they will go to jail.

"you liberals".... Lol..
You are apparently assuming this is like some personal issue for me vs me simply understanding people in the society I live in.

But even from your point of view- I mean you yourself seem to consider them flat out baby killers. Stop me if I'm wrong but to you killing a fetus is just as bad as killing a 4 year old, right? Maybe worse even (?) idk.

But anyways.. common ground. We both believe killing a 4 year old is murder, and it's basically totally f*cked up morally. A mother would have to be a complete psycho to do that to her own kid.

So from there..... I cannot imagine ever thinking a woman who would murder her own 4 year old should even be allowed around schools, around any other children, let alone be forced to have another one if she gets pregnant again. I mean here we are in a country of mental problems and shootings and repubs apparently want to see what happens when "murderers" give birth and raise children. I'm sure they'll suddenly turn responsible and wear condoms and stop being sex addicts or bipolar or whatever because....... reasons.

Oh and the icing on the cake: the bans affecting this will be primarily in the states with the most lax gun laws..... I mean what could go wrong?

"liberals everywhere can still go and have their child murdered, to pay the price for their stupid promiscuity"

Don't forget all the conservative Christian women who secretly have abortions. It must really drive you nuts that you're not allowed to treat women like property, like your holy book says.

"How is it that you liberals think for even a moment that you have any standing on intellectual dialogue, when you cannot control your urges long enough to put a condom into play?"

So you think birth-control is 100% affective all the time?

"Yes, what an awful thing those wascally Wepubwicans want to do- stop the wholesale murder of innocent human beings."

Your god didn't care to stop it. Was he asleep for 49 1/2 years while Roe v Wade was in effect? Was he taking a shit?

The "majority" is just a clump of letters.

"do you believe that someone who beats the life out of a pregnant woman's baby shouldn't be charged with murder?"

Because if I say it's "murder" than you will say AHA!

Assuming the woman did not want that, the perpetrator should be charged with whatever gives them the most jail time.

I wonder how many of those type situations will happen in secret in the coming years... Maybe it will only happen if abortion gets banned nationwide and plan B is outlawed. Maybe not. For all I know it could be happening now.

You have mistaken will for reality. Maybe it's a "gender".

I seem to have used "than" instead of "then" but go on...

A fat kid at McDonald's.
Well thank you for clearing that up.
Lol

Ditto.

I don't trust conservatives to uphold basic human rights

What are these so called “basic human rights” you speak of?