Most of you abortion supporters do know better- you're just plain evil.

Seeing both sides misuse Orwell while promoting governmental attack on liberties. Orwell would find this absurd.

So murder is a liberty?
Never knew!

Murder is not. But abortion has never been labeled murder until a bunch of zealots decided it was so in the early 1900s. Not only that, but every religion endorses murder while saying do not murder so religion is not nor has ever been the best source of law.

Is a fetus really a human or is it merely a potential human. We could say sperm and eggs are potential humans too. Life begins at conception they say. Sure but again life is not the measurement. Animals are alive and so are trees and we end their lives en masse. So the only measurement of what cannot be killed must be an actual human. So the question becomes when does the fetus become human. I guarantee you it's not instantly. There is a reason why you don't get ultrasounds until a few months in.

Roe v wade doesn't justify endless or unregulated abortion. It merely stated in that particular case that abortion could not be withheld in the first trimester. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Also feel free to read the decision and see how they came to their conclusions, and I guarantee you will see minds much more capable than the two party idiots shouting about it.

Ahhh, so it's all about some subjective label?

Where did I say that? It's about a value system.

"Is a fetus really a human or is it merely a potential human."

ONLY in the ignorant ramblings of a twisted mind do we find such an argument.

If we took a fetus to a lab and asked 10 scientists to identify the species it is from, all would conclude it to be human.

It astonishes me how liberals have conferred amazing magical powers to the female va**na that somehow mystically imbues personhood to an unborn baby as she passes through it. For people so infatuated with your genitalia, to the point that you cannot control yourselves enough to avoid a pregnancy, you sure miss out on all the science involved that would inform you otherwise.

So desperate to find some way to disprove the existence of God, you would leap at the assertion that God didn't create all of this, if but a single, solitary cell were to be found on Mars, and yet this miracle of life is beyond your willingness to associate it with being human.

That picture in the OP was you once, and had your mommy decided to have a "doctor" rip you apart, limb from limb, you would not be the annoying imgflip Troll™ you are today.

Exactly at what point in your development, including up to this exact moment, did you suddenly become a human being?

The intentional ignorance is mind-blowing, and utterly thoughtless.

"So desperate to find some way to disprove the existence of God"

This has nothing to do with disproving god

"have a "doctor" rip you apart, limb from limb"

Which doesn't happen in the overwhelming majority of abortions, but don't let facts get in the way of your emotions

If I took a piece of my fecal matter to scieintists I'm sure they would conclude that it is human fecal matter. Guess we should preserve that too. Your logic was also fecal matter. Human sperm is also potential human so should we make sure to save every last drop. This isn't semantics. You need the women's body to sustain the fetus therefor it is not an independent entity, not until the end of the second trimester anyway. So if you want a point of someone being a human being it's just that, the moment a person could be sustained via there own faculties. I guess you think it's the moment of conception because that's what people tell you to believe? Basing your beliefs on slogans is no way to live!

I love how you think I'm a liberal because I don't think like you on this subject. Ridiculous. Feel free to look at my post history. But I am an atheist so flowery talk like "this miracle of life is beyond your willingness to associate it with being human" sounds like asinine nonsense. Again is the tree and the egg not considered life? So we clearly do not place importance in things merely being alive when deciding what needs to be protected.

Lastly a bunch of non sequitur ad hominems about how I am the thoughtless one smack of irony. Clearly I am the one thinking within the realm of reality and not throwing out

How I know that you are a liberal, regardless of any other posts out there. Perhaps you are a closet liberal, just waiting to come out?

You: "Your logic was also fecal matter."

Also you: "Lastly [sic] a bunch of non sequitur ad hominems . . . "

Liberals are always most guilty of what they accuse others of. Thanks for the demonstration.

Someone got really worked up over that! I don't personally know many Conservatives that are so easily triggered, but if you say so . . .

"So if you want a point of someone being a human being it's just that, the moment a person could be sustained via there own faculties."

What I hear you saying is that it is OK to murder babies until the age of around 15 or 16 years of age. I don't know where you live, but where I live, infants require constant care, otherwise they end up dying of dehydration and starvation. And most prepubescent children would find it difficult to sustain themselves "via there [sic] own faculties", so I suppose they also are not human beings. And then there's grandma, who, granted, has Alzheimer's through no choice of her own, but let's face it- grandma cannot sustain herself "via [her] own faculties", so she's gotta go via one of those "late-term abortions"!

Your definition of what makes a human being a human being is your personal opinion, and nothing more than that, and you have no scientific nor moral foundation to support it.
Your argument that a baby can be murdered because it requires the assistance of its own mothers is absurd at best, immoral for certain.

"But I am an atheist so flowery talk like "this miracle of life is beyond your willingness to associate it with being human" sounds like asinine nonsense."

That is sounds like nonsense to you is a problem with you, not with the fact that it is a miracle.

By sustained by their own faculties I mean through their own digestion and bowel movements not that they can support themselves financially or hunt and gather lol and I'm pretty sure it's more scientific than miracles lol

So alzheimer grandma is safe but vegetable grandma can have the plug pulled.

"By sustained by their own faculties I mean through their own digestion and bowel movements not that they can support themselves financially or hunt and gather lol and I'm pretty sure it's more scientific than miracles lol"

You keep making up more rules as you go. As for "their own digestion and bowel movements", perhaps you need to do some quick research to learn some things, such as what the amniotic fluid actually is, or what exactly is happening as nutrition is passed from the mother to her child.

A fetus/zygote/fertilized egg are just terms for stages of development in the life of each human being. You did not come from a fetus, you WERE a fetus. You have simply decided to dehumanize another human being to justify your immorality. Not unlike how the Supreme Court dehumanized black people in the Dread Scott decision. If you compare the rational and wording between Dread Scott and Roe, you will find considerable similarities.

I'm not completely certain, but I suspect that your take on overturning the faulty Roe v Wade decision is absurd.

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Nothing faulty about it. Did you read the decision? I almost can guarantee you haven't.

"I almost can guarantee you haven't."

Talk to me about the alleged penumbra they found in the Constitution to justify Roe.

Not sure what penumbra is but the justification is that the fourth amendment protects you from governments intervening in personal decisions unless it's for extreme cases to protect the public health. They enumerate previous Supreme Court decisions that come to the same conclusion that the fourth covers more than the few things it mentions.

If you aren't sure what the penumbra is to which I am referring, then you have not read the decision concerning Roe V Wade. It was this "logic" that allowed them to point to the 4th Amendment to justify the unjustifiable. The 4th Amendment does not grant anyone the right to murder their unborn child.