If 70,000 People Can Gather Mask Less At The Super Bowl Then There Is No Public Health Emergency…

“It’s ok when we do it.”

Exactly

Maskless in California, no less. How did they get away with that?

They must have been wearing their invisible masks LOL

https://babylonbee.com/news/celebrities-assure-nation-they-were-wearing-hi-tech-invisible-masks-only-rich-people-know-about

LOL. I love the Babylon Bee

You can tell liberals can't grasp satire when their "fact checkers" have to continuously report a satire site as fake news...

LOL So true. But then if you are a conservative and just mention COVID (as in "I have a friend who got COVID") you're going to get a completely unrelated "fact" check.

Anecdotal evidence isn't data.

Anecdotal???? I have had it happen to me several times on Facebook. I got your anecdotal for you.

That is what anecdotal means.

Yes that is true but I only used myself as an example. I have seen this happen to all of my conservative friends. There are FB groups formed to combat this. It has been reported in the news over and over and over.

The one topic that will get you in the most hot water is COVID. I have even posted articles from the CDC and FB "fact" checked me. Facebook's "fact" checkers are absolute morons.

For a while I was an admin on a conservative FB group with around 14,000 members. I watch as FB picked out and regularly tormented 2 people on that group, they would randomly report other people but every post those two people made in the group FB reported to me. If I accepted them I got a message from FB that if I keep accepting these posts FB would shut down the group. There was never anything that those guys posted that violated any community standards, they just violated FB's communist standards.

So it is far beyond anecdotal. If you are refusing to believe it then you are just denying reality.

100%… “Actually the war on information started July 2, 2013 when Obama repealed much of the Voorhis Anti-Propaganda Act that was signed into law Oct. 17, 1940.

It was after Obama did that that the term "fake news" became common, because quite literally the mainstream media begin reporting agenda driven opinion and called it news. People of all political beliefs soon after began accusing anyone who opposed them of "fake news".”

I'm not denying your experiences it is just that they're anecdotal. Bare in mind, you very well could be making all this up, exaggerating the events that happened, or at the very least, have an incomplete perception of what actually happened. That's why it's important to distinguish between incontrovertible evidence and anecdotal. That may seem harsh, but imagine if such individuals were doing this, who were not you, and may be suffering from one of the unfortunate reasons above. Would any action be necessary for any side of that situation if it was based on inaccuracies?

If you truly want my opinion, I don't doubt what happened to you happened. There was a very strict campaign against Covid misinformation on many media sites. And I do not agree with every action with how it was handled. And whether these were algorithimic mistakes or actual persons invoking personal biases, then those individual situations are hard to argue as justified.

It's not a very exciting perspective, I know, but it's the best way to find the truth. Remain skeptical until the evidence is finally incontrovertible.

Did Facebook pursued Covid misinformation groups? Yes. Were these groups mostly of a conservative background? Yes. Were these groups targeted specifically for their political alignments? Inconclusive.

At least, from my own analysis. I'd be very happy to receive any further evidence beyond just your personal experiences so I wouldn't want you to mistake the labeling of your experiences as strictly a dismissal.

So your going with the "it's all in your head" argument.

You know...... This internet thingy is pretty amazing. You can actually search for just about anything. Including examples of conservative bias on Facebook and other social media. I also seem to recall that Mark Zuckerberg was actually called before congress about this.

You might want to do your own homework before you start calling people delusional

To elaborate my slap on the wrist…. And my view on freedom.

Only one (or maybe two) of my posts were strictly removed. I don’t even remember what they contained. I do know they concerned the pandemic. This was just at the start so over two years ago.

It seems now pretty much any message with Covid gets a tag of some kind but not strictly removed. Which is slightly better.

I’ve never been banned on Facebook, even when someone - wrongly again - flagged my comment as racist. A person called P**** White-Gross was talking about racism. And I made a bad joke at their expense. “Maybe because you’re White and Gross”… a play on their name and skin color.

Naturally, they took offense to that and Facebook also removed the post. My joke was in poor taste anyway.

Do I think my freedoms were violated?

No.

The first amendment protects the individual from the government rather than corporations. And while I agree there is some overreach on government asking social media sites to curb misinformation, it’s still not strictly a first amendment violation.

After all, you were still able to find another place where you could voice your opinions. It is unfortunate but no more unfortunate than going over to someone’s house, disagreeing with them, and them throwing you out.

Obviously, there is a big difference in a corporation and a person doing this. Unfortunately, our constitution does not distinguish between these two entities as anything other than private citizens or private citizen-run corporations. So it is just as much their first amendment right to remove your comment as it is for you to voice your own opinion at home.

Should that change? Eh, maybe. But I wouldn’t begin to know where to have a more constructive criticism other than: “That shouldn’t happen!”

I just saw this posted on MeWe. It is an image of a Tweet from Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Twitter also tacks fact checks to conservative tweets. It doesn't matter to me if Johnson's stats are right or wrong. What matter is that it is not any of Twitter's business. And they are even worse than Fascistbook. At least Fascistbook will still let you reply, share and/or like the post, but Twitter won't.

I just have to keep reminding myself that on social media sites (free or paid) you are NOT the customer. You are the product.

It is not about the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. It is Section 230 of the federal Communications Decency Act. This legislation protects social media sites from copyright infringement if they declare themselves as a platform and not a publisher. If they consider themselves a publisher then they can, at will, delete content from their web site. If they are a platform then they cannot restrict free speech.

However, the social media site can set community standards and apply those standards to their uses. But they don't have to. Twitter, Facebook and YouTube take that to the extreme while MeWe and ImgFlip have very lax community standards. I don't know about Gab, Parler or any of the others. I have an account of both Gab and Parler and I looked at them for about a month and lost interest. If they do have community standards they are also lax.

Rumble is where the conservative talk show hosts are fleeing to. I think they made more money on YouTube and that is why many of them are still trying to maintain a presence there

Facebook doesn't have to be fascists. They didn't used to be fascists but when the 2016 primary elections were over Fascistbook begin tagging and threatening anything that was conservative. They were trying to prevent Trump from winning by any means possible. After he won they had to discredit Trump as much as possible. Their community standards were such that they were not about to let anyone win any election on any level of the government, except for Democrats.

That is the entire reason behind this. Now it is to try to squelch anything that opposes their fascist narrative.

"So your going with the "it's all in your head" argument."

And you might want to read my whole comment.

I accept your perspective. I know conservatives felt targeted.

I just don't believe we were targeted for our beliefs, but rather a singular campaign against one instance of misinformation.

Case in point, I am a conservative on Facebook. And I only ever got a slap on the wrist, but never banned, for sharing something that was deemed at the time (and wrongly so) as misinformation.

Does my anecdotal evidence override your own? No. Do I believe you're experiences? Yes.

But beliefs are irrelevant to facts.

Are you familiar with the Conservatives United Against FB Censorship group on Facebook? They're pretty much a dead group on Facebook now because the moved to MeWe where they would get better treatment.

There are no Independents United Against FB Censorship and no Democrats United... and so on.

I have never heard of any on the left complain about spending time in FB jail or having "fact checks" tacked on to their posts. I imagine it could happen but I doubt it. If they did it was probably about COVID.

Facebook had a zero tolerance attitude towards COVID. And even though everything that has ever been said by Fauci, the WHO or the CDC has changed time and time again, if you posted anything, regardless of how much it varied from the science du jour, you would get a "fact check" at a minimum. Many times you would get put in FB jail for a day, a week or a month. I never got a month but a friend of mine did. The most I got was a week. But I didn't post much about COVID. I was posting mostly about economic issues.

But the point is, who is Facebook to think they are the arbiters of truth? They are a platform, not a publisher. They don't have to like what other people believe, even if it is not the truth but they have no business trying to interject what they think is true. Especially when FB's fact checkers have been so consistently false themselves. And far too many times the tack on a fact check that has very little or nothing to do with what was posted.

What surprises me is that you don't consider your slap on the wrist as a big deal. Perhaps freedom doesn't mean as much to you as it does to me. This is even more disconcerting knowing that FB and the other tech giants are in a public/private partnership arrangement with the government. Calling Facebook "Fascistbook" is 100% accurate. Essentially it is not Facebook who is fact checking your posts, it is the government.

"I also seem to recall that Mark Zuckerberg was actually called before congress about this."

Mark Zuckerberg is an idiot. Granted, a successful and calculating idiot, but an idiot nonetheless.

He's been called into congress several times and even congress at times didn't seem to know what Facebook was nor even how to internet. But that's a tangent conversation about how congress really doesn't know how the internet works and often makes things up in their utter confusion. I'm not talking about spyware or ghost banning. Those are real. What isn't real is Facebook keeping track of your social security account, bank account, credit card etc. without you willingly volunteering it. Oh, God. I'm still on the tangent.

Anyway, Zuckerberg, or one of his many underlings was indeed called into office following the 2016 election where it was uncovered that he was allowing foreign agents to spam political ads regardless of their content or accuracy and got into big trouble. He even admitted to taking foreign money to put political ads on Facebook. At the time, this seemed like harmless capitalism. Who cares if Russia, China, or Germany is putting political ads on Facebook in support of or against Hillary or Trump? Money is money. And making revenue off of foreign bodies is awesome, right!? Well. Zuckerberg got called many things for allowing this misinformation from foreign bodies and his takeaway wasn't just to keep track of who is paying for the political ads, but rather their content.

2017 is when the War against Misinformation truly began. It just most unfortunate that it not only coincided with a Republican President, but the biggest touter of misinformation and deception - Donald Trump. Trump spent most of his presidency pushing social media's war on information by using his executive privilege. And despite how much harder social media went after any misinformation that Trump agreed with, they let him off with a pass. That is, until, Covid - when such misinformation was not only a political disadvantage but costing the potential lives of thousands of people. If not more.

The biggest thing that people forget is that what drives a corporation is liability. The only thing they want to be liable for is extreme profit. They really don't care if lives are exploited. But they do care if those lives end with a class action lawsuits.

And avoiding lawsuits is the name of the game for Mr. Zuckerberg and other social media giants.

Actually the war on information started July 2, 2013 when Obama repealed much of the Voorhis Anti-Propaganda Act that was signed into law Oct. 17, 1940.

It was after Obama did that that the term "fake news" became common, because quite literally the mainstream media begin reporting agenda driven opinion and called it news. People of all political beliefs soon after began accusing anyone who opposed them of "fake news".

This was done as a means of widening the political gap. It is a divide and conquer strategy.

Marxism cannot gain a foothold unless there is a divide first. It demands the oppressed/oppressor dichotomy be created or exaggerated. While the political divide that is created by "fake news" is not a part of that dichotomy directly, it does allow the left, the Marxists, to fabricate "news" to embellish the dichotomy. It also creates confusion so that no one knows what is true or false.

Much like how you think my experience with Facebook and what I have heard other's complain about and read in the news is a delusion. I saw an NPR article that essentially called it that.

I am not deluded. I know what has happened to me is real. I do not have any mental illnesses. Nor do others.

Talk show host Dan Bongino has been kicked off of YouTube. Talk show Steven Crowder is in a constant and ongoing lawsuit with YouTube. Dennis Prager has had his videos removed from YouTube as well as Glenn Beck.

All of the above have been warned or suspended by Facebook and Twitter.

Donald Trump has been banned by Twitter and he is a former President.

I never cared much for Trump. I didn't vote for him in 2016. Most of his presidency I didn't really listen to his speeches. I do not thing Trump is the greatest president of all time or even a great president. I think he was mediocre. I voted for Trump in 2020 because there was no one better running. Democrats have been on a socialist self-destruct mode for over a century and all of their hard work is about to happen. When Obama was elected this country degraded faster than I had ever seen before but he was a walk in the park compared to what the people pulling Biden's puppet strings.

So I really don't know if Trump was spreading misinformation or not. What I do know is there were a few things that Trump said that scared me. He was in support of red flag laws. When he was campaigning he was promoting single payer government run healthcare. And he was constantly going on and on about tariffs.

And then there's this:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/privacy-win-facebook-settles-decade-old-90-million-lawsuit-alleging-it-tracked-users-data-without-consent?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR25FCkmWATqSa_EdG-TGL0Y1iEPtHt2KNbTTa2HKFQxcxNeIpCZvk-54wU

Apparently Facebook has actually been selling private user data.

They held their breath

Very simple, they only got in with verification of having gotten the full round of vaccinations and testing negative for Covid.

Is anyone on this stream from this hemisphere?

The same way people eat and drink without a mask at restaurants. When roaming, they were suppose to be wearing them. At the stadium they had patrols for people who left their seats to get food. If you show me a concession stand line of people without masks, I may share in your outrage. However, the mask mandate ends today.

PS: to mods, the flag of the previous comment was an accident. My bad, butterfingers the reply button. D’oh.

Ni raised a good question.

People don't eat and drink and shout slurs and praise at a team way down on a field. So when people are in their seats and going crazy with boos or cheers... It's definitely a super spreader event. That is, of course, unless the narrative is bull crap.

You're supposed to be a gumshoe/detective/investigator by your user name. You should be able to add two and two together.

Oh no doubt it’s a super spreader event. I’m not denying that but the chances are fairly unlikely given the precautions taken.

I’m not sure what part of the narrative you are saying is bull crap. Care to expand on that so I can better analyze your claim?

The narrative that large groups gathering need masks because of super dangerous covid and variants... and then the obvious lack of said precautions in many many many public settings. Especially when they mask up for cameras and take them down when they think the cameras are off.

Remind me, the Super Bowl took place largely outdoors, correct?

Masks have been said to be ineffective outdoors.

Have you been to any outdoor games recently with a mask mandate?

You could leave off the outdoors part. Then your statement is good.

My comment was less about when and where masks are appropriate and more about the People's Republic of California. California's dictator, Gavin Newsom, has never cared about the truth, all he has ever cared about is power and control. That is why California still has mask mandates.

Gavin Newsom, has never cared about the truth, all he has ever cared about is power and control … yes

Fun fact... Newsom bought 2 restaurants he helped put out of business, in the Palm Springs area... while on a trip to that area to promote vaccines

Mask mandated ended today.

In California? That's good. I just went to my doctor today (I live in Utah) and he said that he hasn't seen a COVID case come to his office in months. That's really good news for the immediate area I live in. He had gotten the Omicron variant and said it wasn't much. About like a cold.

It's a dome thing... And people yelling and spitting when they yell.

I myself am skeptical but...

No one is going to cancel the Super Bowl for a pandemic. It's too great of a lot of money to say no to. That doesn't diminish the severity of the pandemic nor the repercussions of failing to shut EVERYTHING down.

It seems like your motive is that if we can't shut everything down, then we shouldn't.

But would you really be in favor of that?

That explains Martha Stewart and Guy Fieri but I don't see any masks on anyone else.

Still, there is enough benefit of the doubt. There is only so much security can do to enforce the rules. You may not know this but people frequently drink and eat all through a game.

The only other solution would’ve been to cancel the whole thing. That just wasn’t going to happen. Besides, the mandates were dropped today.

Yeah I know people eat at games. Their not all constantly eating. The last of any kind of professional sports that I have attended was minor league baseball and people were eating there but not all of the time.

In 2020 NFL games were played in empty stadiums. The NFL came up with the idea of putting cardboard cutouts in the seats of people and dubbing the sounds of the crowds from past games. I would have thought Newsom would have mandated the Super Bowl be played in an empty stadium (except for him and his friends and family).

The 2020 Super Bowl was in Miami and the 2021 was in Tampa. Both Florida games, and unless I'm mistaken, it's no mistake they were both played in Florida to make up for the major economic missed opportunities for the state. I could be wrong, but that is my speculation. Given that mandates were already set to end days after the Super Bowl, it seemed more like an attempt to reign in the many tourists received in L.A. before finally relaxing them.

The mandates do not dictate what people do once outside or in a private designated area. They only mandated public areas and while the Super Bowl event was public, it was also an outdoor event. People were not admitted unless they wore a mask as well as provided a vaccine pass or a negative covid test within 24-hours. Once people were in their designated area, there was no realistic way to keep enforcing them anymore than it is to enforce them at a restaurant with out-door dining only.

So, again, I'm not sure what you're advocating. I attended a minor league as well. Basically they had security at the top of the stands and when we entered the concession area, we were told to mask up. This only happened for may be one or two weeks before the mandates were severely relaxed.

You are a liberal sycophant.

Your comment has nothing informative to add to the discussion and was a poor attempt at deflecting the argument onto me rather than an assessment to the facts presented.

Nice try. My comment was spot on.

Your opinion of me is largely irreverent to the discussion.

Lol. Yeah, my opinion of you is irrelevant. I guess that’s why your replied to me.

Oh, you mistake me. My opinion is equally irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I just figured you'd want a chance to offer something relevant to the discussion but you've offered none. Shame. Oh well! I'll happily reply to you again when you do.

A perfect example of the absurdity of the mask mandate. You must wear a mask until
You get to your table then you can take it off laugh, eat, talk for 20 or 30 minutes and the. You put your mask on to walk out. The sheer stupidity of that is so blatant only a fool thinks that is doing anything,

I partially agree. Given human-to-human transmission is so miniscule in an outdoor setting, it seems reasonable that outdoor public areas are more relaxed in the strict upholding of the mandate.

Regardless, the mandates ended today. So, it's utterly pointless to continue discussing.

Not in Los Angeles County.

You are correct. My mistake.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktla.com/news/local-news/ca-ending-indoor-masking-requirement-for-vaccinated-people-wednesday-heres-what-to-know/amp/