A war is NOT going to elevate Biden's plummeting approval rating.

Last time I lost 83 billion dollars worth of stuff at my job I was fired. Guess it is just me.

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Time to give out more billions of millitary equipment to the Russians!

"Yet another war."

You act like half of our foreign policy disasters of the last 20 years haven't been in some way connected to the Bush administration.

You are missing a much bigger point. I'm not talking about the last 20 years. Starting with the Civil War, every war the United States has gotten into, with the exception of the Bush's wars in the Middle East, were started by Democrats. And most of the time they were ended by Republicans.

The George HW and George W are the only two exceptions to that rule.

However, when Obama ran for office the first time he promised to have all of our troops home within his first year. But that is not at all what Obama did. Obama got us more involved in the Middle East and in other countries. He got more American soldiers killed in his first term than W did in his two terms. When Obama was president the left shut down all of the daily body counts that they reported when W was president. They threw Cindy Sheehan under the bus.

Trump could have gotten us out of the Middle East also but he didn't. Then Biden pulls troops out of Afghanistan like a major idiot, leaving $85 billion worth of military equipment and 35,000 US citizens behind. The left is still trying to figure out a way to blame Trump for that but you can't. Trump didn't do that. No other president, Democrat, Republican, Whig or whatever, would have ever done anything so completely stupid as what Biden did. And we're supposed to believe he got more votes than any other president ever got????

List of Presidents in office when the US entered war or skirmishes:

United States Civil War 1861-1865, Abraham Lincoln (R)
Spanish-American War 1898, William McKinley (R)
World War I 1914-1918 (US entered in 1917), Woodrow Wilson (D)
World War II 1939-1945 (US entered in 1941), Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
Korean War 1950 (100 years ago), Harry S. Truman (D)
Vietnam War 1960-1975, Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
Bay of Pigs Invasion 1961, John F. Kennedy (D)
Grenada 1983; U.S. Invasion of Panama 1989, Ronald Reagan (R)
Persian Gulf War 1990-1991, George Bush (R)
Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina 1995-1996, Bill Clinton (D)
Invasion of Afghanistan 2001-2021; Invasion of Iraq 2003-2011; War in Northwest Pakistan 2004-???; Somalia and Northeastern Kenya 2007-???, George W. Bush (R)
Operation Ocean Shield 2009; Intervention in Libya 2011; Lord's Resistance Army 2011-2017; U.S.-led Intervention in Iraq and Syria 2014-2017; Yemeni Civil War 2015-ongoing; U.S. intervention in Libya 2015-2019, Barrack Obama (D)

Final count:

Republicans 6 and Democrats 6.

BONUS: List of Presidents in office when the US exited wars and skirmishes:

United States Civil War 1861-1865, Abraham Lincoln (R)
Spanish-American War 1898, William McKinley (R)
World War I 1914-1918 (US entered in 1917), Woodrow Wilson (D)
World War II 1939-1945 (US entered in 1941), Harry S. Truman(D)
Korean War 1950 (100 years ago), Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
Vietnam War 1960-1975, Gerald Ford (R)
Bay of Pigs Invasion 1961, John F. Kennedy (D)
Grenada 1983; U.S. Invasion of Panama 1989, Ronald Reagan (R)
Persian Gulf War 1990-1991, George Bush (R)
Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina 1995-1996, Bill Clinton (D)
War in Northwest Pakistan 2004; War in Northwest Pakistan 2004-???; Somalia and Northeastern Kenya 2007-???, George W. Bush (R)
Operation Ocean Shield 2009; Intervention in Libya 2011; Invasion of Iraq 2003-2011, Barrack Obama (D)
Lord's Resistance Army 2011-2017; U.S.-led Intervention in Iraq and Syria 2014-2017; U.S. intervention in Libya 2015-2019, Donald Trump (R)
Invasion of Afghanistan 2001-2021, Yemeni Civil War 2015-ongoing; Joe Biden (D)

Final Count:

Republicans 8 and Democrats 6.

Number of Republicans who finished wars Democrats "started": 2
Number of Democrats who finished wars Republicans "started": 2

I'm afraid your assessment of the facts erroneous at best.

I said wars not military actions. Even though Korea and Vietnam were never declared wars, I am counting them as wars because of the duration and the number of lives lost.

United States Civil War 1861-1865, Jefferson Davis (D)
Lincoln did not start this war.

Spanish-American War 1898, William McKinley (R)
It was hardly war, it only lasted 5 months but I'll give you this one because I forgot out it.
However, McKinley sought peace until the US navel ship, the Maine, mysteriously blew up in Havana.

World War I 1914-1918 (US entered in 1917), Woodrow Wilson (D)
World War II 1939-1945 (US entered in 1941), Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
Korean War 1950 (100 years ago), Harry S. Truman (D)

Vietnam War 1960-1975, John F. Kennedy (D)
Eisenhower sent military advisers to Vietnam but the Kennedy started the war.

Persian Gulf War 1990-1991, George Bush (R)
Iraqi War, George W. Bush (R)
I already discounted the Bush wars

These were NOT wars. They were military actions. I'm not counting them.
Bay of Pigs Invasion 1961, John F. Kennedy (D)
Grenada 1983; U.S. Invasion of Panama 1989, Ronald Reagan (R)
Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina 1995-1996, Bill Clinton (D)
Middle Eastern and Northern African military actions, Barack Obama (D)

Final count:

Republicans 3 (McKinley, Bush Sr and Bush Jr) and Democrats 5 (Davis, Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy)

List of Presidents in office when the US exited wars:

United States Civil War 1861-1865, Abraham Lincoln (R)
Spanish-American War 1898, William McKinley (R)
World War I 1914-1918 (US entered in 1917), Woodrow Wilson (D)
World War II 1939-1945 (US entered in 1941), Harry S. Truman(D)
Korean War 1950 (100 years ago), Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
Vietnam War 1960-1975, Gerald Ford (R)
Persian Gulf War 1990-1991, George Bush (R)
Iraqi War, George W. Bush (R)

Not wars.
Bay of Pigs Invasion 1961, John F. Kennedy (D)
Grenada 1983; U.S. Invasion of Panama 1989, Ronald Reagan (R)
Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina 1995-1996, Bill Clinton (D)
Middle Eastern and Northern African military actions, Barrack Obama (D), Donald Trump (R) & Joe Biden (D)

Final Count:

Republicans 6 and Democrats 2.

Number of Republicans who finished wars Democrats "started": 3
Number of Democrats who finished wars Republicans "started": 0

I think we can definitely set aside Military Actions that took place over a long period time as a war. Korean, Vietnam. It's no mistake that they were wars though declared military actions at the time. That much we can agree.

But if we're going to split hairs over whether a President started a war, such as Jefferson Davis - who was not technically part of the Union when he did so, then I believe we can also discount Presidents who did not "start" wars either.

After all, Roosevelt and Wilson had no intention of joining their World Wars. So, we can hardly blame them for starting them. So, if we remove Lincoln based on your technicality, which I willingly concede, then we must also remove Wilson and Roosevelt. As well as the two Bushs. Arguably, they too did not start those wars. Even if W. Bush's track record during them were abysmal and did not seem to end until recently. At least, for now.

I'll also concede the fact we did not begin any real military movement in Vietnam until 1964. Well after Kennedy's assassination. So that would be on Lyndon B. Johnson. A Democrat. Arguably we wouldn't have been involved at all without Eisenhower but it was Johnson who formally got us involved. I'm willing to concede Johnson.

Final count for US Presidents starting wars:

Republicans 1 (McKinley) and Democrats 2 (Truman and Johnson)

And to be intellectually honest; those wars were ended by McKinley, Eisenhower, and Gerald Ford respectively.

Final count for US Presidents ending wars started by US Presidents:

Republicans 3 (McKinley, Eisenhower, and Gerald Ford) and Democrats 0*

Still, even without the splitting of hairs over whom started what, as wars are not usually one wrong party versus a right party (victory is written by the victors, after all. At least, in most cases..) it is still worth bearing that Republicans and Democrats are both willing to enter a war with the upmost hesitation and eventual reasonable conviction.

No US President has ever entered a war lightly regardless of whom started it.

Which, honestly, I think renders your entire point to make these wars only into a political benefit moot. Especially since, as you've so noted, Republicans tend to be elected afterwards.

There is no benefit to be made in starting a war to stay in office. It simply does not work.

While I'm sure that is your point, Democrats have faired better to public scrutiny to starting wars than Republicans given the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Regardless of how they ended.

Wilson was a pig. He campaigned that he would not get us involved in the war but that was one of the first things he did after getting reelected.

Roosevelt was a control freak. I think he was looking for a way to get us into that war. Conveniently all of naval ships were all in Hawaii just waiting to be bombed.

However, had we not gotten involved in WWII, there's a chance we'd be speaking German right now.

Conveniently all of naval ships were NOT all in Hawaii just waiting to be bombed so there were some to, you know, use in the war?

In other words, if Biden truly wants to lose the 2024 election. He'll start a war.

He's old. People from his generation think that fighting a war make you popular. Plus Ukraine owns Biden. He has to defend his employer.

The Korean and Vietnam wars suggest otherwise. He is only ...what? 2 decades different from George HW, who had to go on television to remind people that his wars would "Not be another Vietnam" and THAT war did nothing to get him re-elected.

Ukraine doesn't own Biden anymore than Russia owned Trump.

"United States Civil War 1861-1865, Jefferson Davis (D)"

False, and you know that because you know your hero down to what he ate for breakfast on Sundays.

The rest, no doubt, is also you regular revisionist bs.

Also side chapters of the Spanish-American War included the killing of 40,000 citizens in both(?!) Puerto Rico and the Phillipines in the process of 'introducing' Democracy to them.

Cambodia (1970, Nixon)
Laos (1971, Nixon)

Bombing of Libya (Reagan, 1986)

And Panama was actually GHW Bush, not Reagan.

Plus a whole crap ton of CIA lead coups in other countries.

And the other half democrats