The only voter suppression happening in election are leftist media and skewed polling.

It doesn’t matter that 80% of Americans support Voter ID laws, it doesn’t matter this or that. It’s time to accept that Liberals are just STUPID and you can’t reason with them. All we can do is fight to stop them.

Yup

They are able to avoid this argument entirely because they claim they're wasn't widespread suppression during the last election, Just 2016. They claim that the laws the Republicans are changing cause voter suppression besides the fact 99.999% of changes are already laws in Blue states

They change accusations To fit the narrative, truth has no hold on them.

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Sheesh, wokies, pick a fight

The media trying to escape answering this question:

Excellent example of common sense Bluessol! The left cannot answer your question with anything resembling honestly.

Yes, it can.

Let's look at Marion county in Indiana. It covers a lot if not all of Indianapolis.

The state legislature limited it (and any county of a similar size) to 1 early voting location.

YET they expanded early voting in smaller population counties out in the suburb and rural areas.

So, you can restrict voting in one area (predominantly Democratic voters) and yet expand voting in another area.

Just because you have made 0 effort to understand how it happens doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

Except Biden supposedly received a record number of votes, not Trump. So the democratic vote was suppressed to the point it was recorded in greater numbers than ever before? I don’t think so. If it was suppressed wouldn’t there have been less democratic votes?

haha the Democrat vote was so utterly suppressed.
Neither were they able to vote in person since the virus would have infested them nor were they able to mail in early because the USPS had been compromised and Biden wasn't campaigning yet.
So they had to mail in post Nov-3 or would need go see ballot drop boxes at dead of night - the like was the run of Biden voters.

Right all those huge hindrances to voting resulted in record votes recorded. It defies logic and common sense. Record number of votes yet the vote was suppressed? It worked in reverse somehow.

now do ballot stuffing.

For those in the back, the definition of ballot stuffing: Ballot stuffing or ballot box stuffing is a form of electoral fraud in which a greater number of ballots are cast than the number of people who legitimately voted. The term refers generally to the act of casting illegal votes or submitting more than one ballot per voter when only one ballot per voter is permitted.

And it's incredibly easy to detect as the voter registration and populations are tracked very closely by today's government.

You have free access to any of the county/precinct voter registration, vote turnout, and total county population in every state.

Every claim of ballot stuffing from 2020 has turned out to be a complete fantasy. My favorite one was when they compared the vote totals from a county in Minnesota to the population of a county in Michigan to show ballot stuffing.

Fun times.

There's free access to the voter registration. EXACTLY! THAT'S THE POINT!
The free access to the voter role is how you get an audit proof ballot-stuffing fraud scheme.
Via that free access of the voter registration you can check who did cast a vote. Or- and that's the point- who didn't. So if you halt the count AFTER the polling stations close, there's time to check - then harvest those who didn't care to vote. No need to cast illegal votes or submitting more than one vote per voter. Just utilize those that are still eligible. No one would notice since these are all legit votes.

Voter registration and voter roles can be viewed at via internet.
Log files show that there was rush requests on numerous county/precinct voter roles after polls closed on Nov-3.
Make of it what you want.

Exactly, that’s how you get a record number of votes.

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So your evidence of ballot stuffing is a total lack of evidence? That the total ballots cast did not exceed the total voter registration population anywhere in the country is solid evidence of voter fraud?

That makes sense to you?

There's this vast criminal conspiracy in the red states where Biden won to stuff the ballot box BUT stop before the total number of voters is exceeded. A conspiracy that ranges across the entire nation. That "halted the count" after the stations closed BUT no one of the Democratic or Republican party observers notices it. And all of the scrutiny following the election COMPLETELY MISSED IT.

Trump lost. He lost. 1,000s of Republican voters walked into those voting stations and Noped hiim out of office but still voted for other Republicans.

Because if you're going to go through the trouble of a vast conspiracy across all the counties in the United States that run the actual election, subvert them at the local level, why stop with the President? Why not sweep the Republicans out of office everywhere? Keep just enough of them to make it seem like they have a chance, but give yourself a super-majority.

You'd have absolute control over the government then.

But that didn't happen.

Face facts. Trump Lost. There was no voter fraud. The lack of evidence isn't evidence, the lack of evidence means there is nothing there.

Honestly, how does ANY OF THIS make sense to you?!?

Total ballots cast is less than the total population of registered voters. Not one county has reported more votes cast than registered voters.

Not. One.

You keep jumping from conspiracy to conspiracy. First it was "oh, the ballot boxes were stuff."
when I said, "no, you can verify that for yourself in every single county in the country." You said, "oh, they stopped the count and just made the remaining ballots disappear."

So...which is it? They stuffed it? or they made them disappear? Then how did they reconcile the total number of ballots cast against the number counted if they were so radically different?

Because they count those things separately to guard against things exactly like this. They know how many were cast. And then they count them. Then the numbers are compared.

And how? How did they do this without the Republican observers noticing? How did they do it without the recording cameras noticing them?

How did they do this in red states where the elections are run by local Republicans?

How?

You're starting with the premise there was vote fraud. Then you clutch at any idea that upholds that premise and you ignore the mountain ranges of facts that disprove it.

Instead, start with facts. Trump was a deeply unpopular President outside of MAGA country. Voter turnout was in the mid-60s (sources vary on the exact number). The highest it's been in a very long time.

You have no evidence to support these fantasies of voter fraud and a stolen election.

Trump lost. He lost.

Your claim:
ballot stuffing doesn't work cuz would be easy to detect because the votes cast would exceed the number of registered voters!?

Oh really? I call BS.

Voter turnout in general is lower than voter registration.
Even Australia where there's fines if you don't vote there's just some odd 90% turnout.
US turnout is historically ~ 60%-65% in federal elections.
Give it 70% on the upside there's a 30% span of those who didn't vote.
Those are easy to detect by searching the voter rolls post-election day.
Deadlines extended a week or two there's ample time to harvest those.
Anonymously cast in a ballot drop box no one could tell them apart.

It's that simple- a child with internet access can do that.
No need to buy votes, bribe poll watchers, make votes disappear, change a vote or reconcile numbers. I wonder why nobody ever thought of it (oh, wait...)

high above-average voter turnout in general as well as fishy 90%+ turnouts in some swing state counties strongly indicates that the 2020 vote has been inflated.

start with facts- indeed.
• President Trump was highly popular outside of liberal ivory towers.
• President Trump was venerated all over the world (Japan, Korea, Israel, Middle East, India,...)
• President Trump received more votes than Obama in 2008
• President Trump received 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016
• President Trump won 83% counties
• President Trump won 95% Bellwether counties that historically indicate the winner
• President Trump received the most votes ever in history
(apart from last-ditch post-election day Biden votes)

Statistical analysis proved democrats cheated.

A couple of these will take their own replies, so I'll hit the bulk of your claims here.
1) No. He was not. If this were true he'd have Obama levels of approval. He never made it over 50%.

2) Laughable, no. He was not.

3) Yes.

4) Yes. But counties don't vote. People do. This is where the electorial college really sucks. If you win in places that have few electorial votes, it doesn't really matter. As long as you win the populated counties in the states with the highest electorial votes; you win. Which is how Trump won in 2016. You don't seem to have a problem with that method for that election?

5) this is getting it's own reply because it covers a lot.

6) False. He got the 2nd most. Biden got the most.

"Biden got the most."
took them days and weeks of post-election-day ballot harvesting - such was Trump's lead on Nov-3 polls close

1) it has always taken days and days to count the vote.You're used to the media calling the victor out based on projections from historical data and voting trends. California usually takes a full month to fully count the vote.

2) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
That's a site that gathers all the various polls. Show me where trump was leading. I see A LOT of Blue Biden links.

Trump lost. You need to accept that and move on.

bellwether counties. I see this from time to time when MAGA country tries to gin up some "fraud" evidence. It's a lot of nonsense.

I see a lot of different numbers for those counties being thrown around. But there are 156 bellwether counties. There is 1 that has voted the same as the winner since 1980. There are 44 that have had 1 deviation in the elections since 1980, and 111 that have 2.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton won 14 of those 156. In 2020, Trump won 18 of those 156.

You can see them and the various years they deviated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_election_bellwether_counties_in_the_United_States

So, no, Trump did not win 95% of anything.

And,honestly, it's a lot of nonsense. the "bellwether" counties were only bellwethers because of demographics. For a very long time, most voters were overwhelmingly white, rural, and only had a high school education.

Now those voters- white, rural, high school education- are a minority.

The majority of voters now live in cities. they have college educations (some have a few years and others graduated). And their racial backgrounds are diverse.

There was no electoral fraud that changed the outcome.

Trump lost. He lost.

Get. Over. It.

The Reason Trump Won
https://rumble.com/vsnryl-the-greatest-video-youve-never-seen-the-reason-trump-won.html

How does it not. He explained it very succinctly. No surprise you deny it is even possible. Unsolicited ballot mailings mean too many live ballots available for fraud. You can’t have massive voter suppression and also record number of votes cast. Simple
Logic and common sense.

Do you think there's a process for the mail-in ballots? Or do you think they just count them without checking anything? They don't accept mail-ins willy-nilly and count them. There's a process of verification to make sure that votes aren't fraudulently cast or double cast.

Just because you refuse to verify how that process happens doesn't mean there isn't a process.

And yes you can have voter suppression and record turnout Your premise depends on the population being evenly spread, having equal access to voting, and the voting rate to be the same. But clearly, we do not live in that world.

I already explained how Indianna effectively suppressed early voting in Indianapolis but expanded it in rural areas. So, let's do Atlanta.

The 5 counties in/around Atlanta, GA account for 60%ish of the total voter population of Georgia. How many election day polling stations do they have?

37%.

the lines get really long. So long that more often than not people who get in line towards the end of the evening don't actually cast their votes until after midnight. The polls are officially closed, but because they were in line before the closing time they get to cast a provisional ballot (which gets verified via the State's process).

THAT is how you suppress the vote.

and if you're all "but but but the numbers are so high" Yeah. And they would have been higher.

In California they mail out live ballots, not blanks. They don’t verify them because they sent them out based on voter roles and say they are “verified” because they have a voters name. There is no match to ensure that person received and voted that ballot or if they moved or anything else. No democratic country allows that. They also allow ballot harvesting which is rife with fraud opportunity. Voting for all the people in a nursing home for example. Somehow they are all democrats, always. Bullshit!

Your high, yes they allow them without checking validity. They mail them out based on old voter rolls for people who have moved from the area or state. Many people in California received multiple ballots to their addresses. Each state is different and in some states, Like Delaware Biden’s home state, you have to have a doctors note to vote by mail. In other states you have to request and verify with ID and in others they just mail them to everybody. Part of the voting reform they want is same day registration without ID. So I can show up at every polling place, give a fake name and register and vote. Absurd insanity. No Democratic Republic can survive such nonsense. That’s why no others allow it.

How have you verified that your state- or any state, for that matter- accepts all mail-in ballots with no verification process?

Because I live in Texas. And I know that the State of Texas has a specific process for handling mail-in/absentee ballots.

Have you looked up California's? I have. This may come as a shock to you, but there is a specific process they go through to verify each mail-in ballot.

And it's unconstitutional to deny someone the chance to vote. So... bummer you think people shouldn't be able to walk up and vote but bad news. The constitution says it can happen.

And every state has a method to deal with these provisional ballots too.

It's crazy. It's like we've been holding elections for hundreds of years now and there's all these processes and rules about how they happen to handle any situation but you seem to think that none of that exists.

Wide spread voter fraud isn't a thing, Bluessol. There aren't millions of votes being counted willy-nilly without any sort of process or verification at all.

You know what you should do? Go volunteer to be an election observer. That way you can actually watch it happen. That might help you.

Voter suppression reduces overall voter turnout. It has not because there has not been any or it is apparently ineffective based on turnouts. Georgia didn’t turn from red to blue because of massive voter suppression your delusional.

If voter suppression were evenly applied to all voters.

But clearly it's not.

Like in Ohio. Where by state law each county gets exactly 1 early voting machine. 1.

Not a big deal if you live in Vinton County, population 13,000. Early voting isn't a problem. You might have to wait in line like 10 minutes on a busy day.

But it's a f**king problem in Franklin County, population 1.3 million. How are people supposed to find the time to stand in line for early voting? 1.3 million people using 1 machine?

THAT is voter impression, Bluessol.

The sparsly populated republican county doesn't have a problem with 1 machine. The densly populated democratic county does have a problem.

Try as hard as you want to hand-wave it away, but it doesn't change things.

Voter suppression is real. And yes you can have record turn out with it.

That's why voting lines in Ohio cities can get to be a quarter of a mile long.

Whistle,
I agree there was some voter suppression, especially by use of suppression polls against Republican candidates on MSM sources. It wasn’t effective either as many who were erroneously projected to lose big, won handily. Claiming that voter suppression is a huge problem when there are record numbers of votes is at the very least an enormous exaggeration or an outright lie.

it's interesting that you're willing to acknowledge voter depression attempts by political parties during elections by releasing favorable polls.

They both do that. And it's a double edged sword. Because when "your" candidate is up by double digits, maybe I don't need to go vote this time. that's part of the game.

But you're not willing to acknowledge that it happens at the government level and aimed at specific demographics of voters.

I have provided you with specific and real examples of voter suppression clearly meant to stop urban voters from being able to vote.

Denying it or claiming "it's not a big deal because turn out" is ridiculous.

When the government makes it harder for specific groups of people to vote, it's a f**king problem.

Once again you avoid the point. Voter suppression may exist in minor ways but not enough to affect outcomes for a committed electorate, Much like everything else leftist screechers harp about, it’s exaggerated. Voter suppression polls were used to try and beat Lindsey Graham. Projecting he was losing by several points and he won by quite a number of points. Voter suppression was attempted and failed there and several other Republican races. Targeted by the leftist biased media. I will Concede that if blatant voter suppression is found it should be prosecuted, but I believe your claims are exaggerations and the proof is more votes, not less votes, which is the goal of voter suppression

Regardless of your claims of voter “impression” the result would not be record votes recorded, unless there was cheating. If you have effective suppression the count is lower as you convinced people not to vote. You know Like when the media tries to suppress votes for republicans by displaying polls that are widely skewed from reality showing they will Lose by double percentage points and yet they win.

Bluessol, claiming that there was no voter suppression because there was a record turn out is like claiming there weren't any clouds because the sun was up.

I have shown you how in multiple places that Republicans have deliberately limited access to voting. that you refuse to acknowledge it does not change facts.

They dont hear that, thats fake news.