HYPOCRISY BE LIKE

Even the leftist media isn't defending him on this, KF-shill.

Biden being only a single inch of step-up over the last guy's shit-show of an administration, it's only natural that he's going to f**k thing up too.

The top generals lied to both Biden and Trump. It's hard to make good decisions when you don't know the reality of the situation.

But now the truth is out(mainly Milley) the firing(or even court martial) can begin. . .provided Biden will actually do it. . .

Yeahhhh, not likely, to say it mildly. Maybe if the Repubs can win mid terms but shit, even then. Bigly sad.

True.

let's not forget the 5000 released from jails- just in time to fight the Americans

Yeeeeah. That's what tipped the scale.

no problem with releasing those "reformed" Taliban fighters- right?

Btw, Biden just made them the greatest military power in the region. And you cry about 5000 released Taliban??? Guess which will impact the region in a bigger way? It must really hurt that you can't blame Trump for this. Altho you try. Buck stops with Biden. Period.

so we should have stayed another 20 years? Nation building after 20 years didnt seem to work, but the next 20....

No, I agree, withdrawal should have been started in 2018. I don't think the situation was much different, altho I could be wrong. But take six months, secure equipment and people you want to evacuate and do it. It was of my criticisms of Trump. But now, I wonder what these generals were telling him. They want war regardless if Trump or Biden says get out. But this could have happened if Trump won and pulled out in may. Probably would have. Because presidents need to rely on their employees. Which is what it is. The whole thing is tragic.

I dont think anyone had the forethought that the Afghans wouldnt fight or at least attempt to fight back. 11 days and it was over!
If we removed all our weapons and left i could see why they didnt fight. They knew the consequences of not fighting back and what would happen to the women and men of Afghanistan. It is a tragedy for sure.

That's overconfidence tho. Thinking that the Afghanis must fight for the values being imposed on them. Many clung to the known, rather than the unknown. But altho the top brass have always said there was progress year after year, it was false hope. I saw a ABC report from 2011 where a sergeant explained that about 75% of afghan government soldiers couldn't read after graduating from educational programs and the same percentage were on heroin, so they'd take off as soon as they were paid for days. The guy they put in as president fled right away. Afghanistan has always been a graveyard of nations. Poppies. Oil lines. Osama, whatever. It was always going to be a disaster. But yeah, you'd think they'd hold out for longer than they did, even knowing the reality.

how odd we actually agree on anything.

It sometimes happens. I'm not a blind trumpist. And I'm antiwar. Even when it seems for the best reasons, it's never clean.

Here....this place of finding common ground is why I post in the politics section. : )

Ehhh...momentarily they're the greatest military power in the region. When things start breaking down and not having replacement parts, they'll slip back into military might category similar to any other tin-pot dictatorship. Of course, they'll start selling off the things they can't fix to China/Russia/NK for reverse engineering at some point...so that'll be fun....

You have a problem with Obama releasing at least one Taliban leader for a traitor? There was over a year with no American deaths. Why was that? Can you figure it out?

I admire your blind loyalty to your COVID45 leader!

5:1 trade to get back one American citizen/deserter subject to court martial? Sure. Up to 5000 Taliban for up to 1000 prisoners nebulously categorized as "of the other side"? Not so much. : |

Hey,I'm not saying this isn't a messy business. Were they to be held forever? There was over a year of relative calm.

Fair enough. My issue is with the non-specificity of "of the other side" and the missed opportunity for the U.S. to exact more while giving less. The Taliban wanted X# released; we should have gotten -minimum- at least a 1:1 exchange or some commensurate value in strategic/material holdings if they didn't have enough personnel to balance the trade.

Leaving was desired. Like it is time for your in-laws to leave after an overstayed visit. How you get them out of the house is a different matter. Killing them and putting them in the trash is not an acceptable method.

Ummm...not be a wise-ass but the chunks-in-a-trashcan option might be on the table in what used to be just plain Afghanistan these days...