So You Agree

I don't know, I took it. I'm provaccine but ANTIMANDATES.

My brother is on blood thinners and doesn't think it would be a good combination. He's already had two aneurysms in his iliac arteries. He almost died on the operating table three years ago so he's living on house money now and doesn't want to f**k with that. He had COVID, barely knew he had it, and shook it off in a few days. Got tested for the antibodies & the doc said his were higher than people who have taken the vaccine, so what's the point (no pun intended).

Mostly because of what's in it and how it works. We are in the bronze age of genetics. We can copy and paste but we really don't know how this stuff works. The fact that the covid shot dusky asked our DNA without them understanding what they are doing means I wouldn't take it if it did work. It doesn't though. You still get sick you still pass it on, and you still have the same chance of dying from it (see Israel).
The fact there is zero liability is reason in its own not to take it.
People need to group up and start studying their employers since the emergency authorization specifically says you can't rewrite the vaccine for any reason
And the Nuremberg code prevents unwanted medical experiments for any reason.

i’m glad you got it

and i’m sorry to hear about your brother, i imagine that must be really tough. i’m glad it ended well but it definitely might not have

The fetus is attached to the mother by the umbilical cord , however , the fetus has its own UNique DNA structure, meaning abortion ends a unique life form. I have no opinion on abortion, however I can talk about the science of life. 95 % of scientists agree that life begins at conception.

"I have to disagree gently with you on a few things, I feel that when a person forcefully and violently rapes a woman and impregnants her, the woman should not be forced to carry a rape baby for 9 months - being reminded of the rape every time she looks at her self."
*I seriously doubt that murdering her child is going to make the bad reminders go away. What you are really saying is that the child should suffer the death penalty for the crimes of the father. Also, the instances of pregnancy that result from rape account for a minute percentage of abortions.

"Something inside me just says that is wrong."
*Rape is definitely wrong.

"Incest is usually another case for abortion that I would defend, seeing incest cases usually occur with children, 9 -12 year olds being molested by older family members- should a 12 year old carry a baby of her uncle and be forced to give birth because of moral outrage?"
*The "moral outrage" you speak of is called murder. Extrapolated to any degree, and you can justify any and all murder by the time you are done.

"Think about that. And Life of the mother , as you said , the cases are rare but we both agree that the mothers life should be considered the priority in the few cases a pregnancy can be fatal."
*As I said, abortion is NEVER the necessary medical procedure for the safety of the mother. I have a niece that is alive today because her mother decided to forgo cancer treatment in order to save . . . her baby. She began cancer treatment soon after, and is alive lo these 18 years later. But had she undergone cancer treatment, her baby would certainly have died, but NOT from an intentional instance of murder.

I can only say, let us agree to disagree. I feel that in extreme cases abortion should be a viable option for women. imho , forcing a child that was molested and impregnated by a relative to carry and give birth is beyond reprehensible - there is no moral victory in that. imo

Generally speaking, we are on the same side, but I really want you to understand what "agreeing to disagree" really means. I disagree that there are reasons sufficient to justify the murder of an innocent human being, whereas you are saying that there are such reasons.

Life is hard.
Life is difficult.

Life is not made less hard and less difficult by murdering someone else. Not murdering an innocent child is a moral victory, and if those around that molested child helped her see this, her life would suddenly have something noble to live with. How that child views such an outcome can be directly encouraged by right thinking adults.

What is the life long lesson from the choice to kill someone else? Today's societies do not cover the mental anguish that comes to many women who make this terrible decision, nor do they cover the permanent physical harm that often occurs as a result of having an abortion.

Agree to disagree? What type of people do we want to raise? What type of people do we want as neighbors? Murderers?

ectopic pregnancy - extremely rare, yes - but one of the few instances I feel that abortion / termination of the pregnancy should be employed.

"ectopic pregnancy" is not remedied by an abortion. A surgery is done which results in the death of that human being, something that is inevitable regardless of what the doctors do- the baby cannot survive like that.

The need and the motives are completely different to everything else you have cited, but perhaps we can "agree to agree" on this one. Let's agree to outlaw ALL abortion as we do all other forms of murder, except for ectopic pregnancies.

well as engaging as this discussion was , imgflip has decided it has gone on long enough :). this is my final thoughts - you feel that there is never a reason to abort a pregnancy, I feel there is, in extremely rare cases. Like the example of the child rape, or ectopic pregnancy. Morality has many base points, like saying murder is wrong - well, then we have to call soldiers murderers, the judicial system that ever put a man/woman to death, and anyone at any time for any reason that took someone else's life, a murderer. If murder is wrong then it is wrong to even defend yourself against someone that is trying to take your life, with lethal force. The situation matters - rape, incest, and life of the mother. those 3 are acceptable to me to end a pregnancy. Am I morally bankrupt? Nothing is absolute, and if you try to make an opinion into an absolute, then there is not even a debate to be had , with out debate there can be no progress. Thanks for the stimulating discussion though , take care .

abortion is an extremely difficult decision and i really don’t know anyone who is out to have an abortion but if there are people out there like that then they are truly horrible people

I agree with you on all your points ^, I live in Chicago - it is common practice to use the planned parenthood facilities as birth control. And you are right, that is horrible.

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"oh, and i can totally understand if you think i’m lying about the west point thing but i’m not. and i’d provide proof but i don’t like sharing too much personal info on the internet"

Please do not share personal info. You have nothing to prove, regardless.

Saying abortion isn't murder does not make it so. If you are thinking that it is not murder because it is legal, recall (from history) that slavery was once "legal".

"however i don’t thin lathe professors are teaching me wrong"

The Parties did not switch. If they are teaching this at West Point, they are teaching you wrong. As I said, I was once on "your side" of many of these issues. I can assure you that were I still a liberal in 2016, I would have loathed President Trump, and for all the wrong reasons that you do. For the record, I voted for Ted Cruz in the Primaries, and I was certain that Hillary was going to beat Trump when he won. The ONLY reason I voted for Trump was to vote against Hillary and her Democrats. Nonetheless, Trump proved my concerns about him to be completely unwarranted.

"i’ll be honest, i have no clue . . . "
*Truly, that is probably the closest to being honest you have been in awhile.

". . . how to respond to the amount of stupidity i just read . . . "
*When a person cannot defend their position, they (especially liberals) resort to ad hominem- attacking the person rather than the argument.

" . . . besides go read some books, some non biased articles, and some scientific reports. then you’ll realize how truly idiotic you are. have a nice day;) "
*I will wager that I have done a tremendously greater amount of reading and analyzing all of this than you have, and likely before you were even born.

I was once a liberal Democrat, who irrationally hated the other side based on significant issues like abortion. I have already read books, etc., which is why I am no longer what you are.

i’m a history major at west point so i’m pretty sure i know what i’m doing😂😂

"abortion is an extremely difficult decision and i really don’t know anyone who is out to have an abortion but if there are people out there like that then they are truly horrible people"

There is never an excuse good enough to murder an innocent human being. Without exception, abortions are chosen for convenience. While many argue that their lives would be horrible if they did not kill their babies, ultimately it is for the sake of convenience. And there is no medical procedure that requires an abortion to happen- some medical procedures that are needed to save the mother's life may result in the death of the child, but that is not the same thing, and it would only account for a minute percentage of unborn deaths.

for convenience? what about a 13 year old girl who was raped? should she have the baby and have her whole life set off track? or what about the couple who had a condom break and they can’t financially support a kid? should they bring it into the world and screw up their lives or put it up for adoption and have the kid have a horrible life?

it’s not an easy choice and no one wants to do it. but it’s no ones choice besides the pregnant woman and no should be able to make that choice for her

I have to disagree gently with you on a few things, I feel that when a person forcefully and violently rapes a woman and impregnants her, the woman should not be forced to carry a rape baby for 9 months - being reminded of the rape every time she looks at her self. Something inside me just says that is wrong. Incest is usually another case for abortion that I would defend, seeing incest cases usually occur with children, 9 -12 year olds being molested by older family members- should a 12 year old carry a baby of her uncle and be forced to give birth because of moral outrage? Think about that. And Life of the mother , as you said , the cases are rare but we both agree that the mothers life should be considered the priority in the few cases a pregnancy can be fatal.

"i’m a history major at west point so i’m pretty sure i know what i’m doing😂😂"

If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't need to say so . . . and while commendable, being a history major at West Point (assuming that some random person on the Internet isn't lying) is proof of nothing. You are still in the process of figuring things out that I took care of long ago, and while I am still learning, I have a bit of a head start on you.

I can assure you of this- if the profs at West Point are teaching that "Parties switched" fabrication, you are not learning the truth about history.

Also, learning about history does not guarantee that you will choose a right moral foundation- so far, based on your rationalizing murdering children just because they are a few inches from being born, you are nowhere close to being in the right place.

I wish you well, and hope you come across better information than you have up till now.

p.s. I will tell you that Christianity is NOT about religion, it is about having a right relationship with our Creator. Without appealing to God for an understanding of what is right and what is wrong, it is simply up to the individual to decide. Of course, that is a real problem, given that there are around 7,000,000,000 individuals on the planet right now, some of whom are very "gifted" at getting other individuals on their side to do harm to others. Most people live with situational ethics, morality that shifts according to their whims, which is why that same fetus is a cherished child in one person's eyes, or something to be murdered to another.

p.p.s Murder is ALWAYS wrong, regardless of how good you think the excuse is.

true, i am learning, however i don’t thin lathe professors are teaching me wrong

abortion isn’t murder

lmao christianity is a religion but i get what you’re saying

and yes, murder is 100% wrong, but abortion isn’t murder

oh, and i can totally understand if you think i’m lying about the west point thing but i’m not. and i’d provide proof but i don’t like sharing too much personal info on the internet

it’s a great quote to live by

"it’s not an easy choice and no one wants to do it. but it’s no ones choice besides the pregnant woman and no should be able to make that choice for her"

You lack a sense of right and wrong. Why then, given what you say here, should that same mother not be allowed to murder the child once born? Same child, different location. Raising children is very difficult, so why shouldn't the mother be able to change her mind whenever she wants to?

"for convenience? what about a 13 year old girl who was raped? should she have the baby and have her whole life set off track?"
*Rape producing a pregnancy is EXTREMELY rare, but there is this thing called "adoption". There are tens of thousands of couples waiting in long lines to adopt a baby. How is murder a better choice than adoption? This accounts for less than 0.002% of alleged reasons for abortions.

"or what about the couple who had a condom break and they can’t financially support a kid?"
*By definition, allegedly not being able to financially support a child is a problem with convenience.

"should they bring it into the world and screw up their lives or put it up for adoption and have the kid have a horrible life?"
*So we should kill anyone that we think *might* have a horrible life? And exactly how is it that you know such a future exists? Why do you believe that adoption leads to a "horrible life"?

Personally I know that being a liberal aka Democrat is one of the WORST conditions a person can exist in. Shall we round you all up and put you out of your misery? You say, "I like the way I am!" But in your scenario, YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE! Someone else who "knows better" gets to decide.

See how that works? Are you beginning to see just how degenerate your point of view on the matter is?

i’ll be honest, i have no clue how to respond to the amount of stupidity i just read besides go read some books, some non biased articles, and some scientific reports. then you’ll realize how truly idiotic you are. have a nice day;)

You're not a "thinker", are you?

"your party treats trumps word like a bible so i really don’t want fo hear anything about being a sheep"

Trump found as much resistance from the GOP as from nearly anywhere else, which makes it even more egregious given that the GOP often aids and abets the tragically evil Democrat Party, if only because the GOP is expert at 'snatching defeat from the jaws of victory'.

The word "fetus" is simply Latin for "small one", or "baby". Using a label to dehumanize another human being is the tool of very evil people.
*When it came to owning slaves, Democrats called people with higher levels of melanin things like "property", or the n-word. Democrats on the Supreme Court even ruled that black people were not persons, much the same way you just labeled unborn children.
*Nazis called Jews things like, "parasites, pigs, Untermenschen = sub-humans, etc." so that they could justify the horrific things they did to them.
*Soldiers on both sides use derogatory names for their foes to dehumanize them, making it easier to kill fellow human beings, and often to torture and brutalize those that were captured.

A fetus is a scientific label, when used and understood correctly, for a specific stage of human development. To use it as a way to decide to ease your conscience over supporting the murder of another human being is highly sinful.

I do not treat Trump's words as being from the Bible, but I DO treat God's Word as, well, God's Word. And in His Word He alerts us to some important facts, like the fact that HE creates us in His image, that HE forms us in our mother's wombs, that HE condemns murder of the innocent, and that a baby in the womb is just that, a baby.

Luke 1:39-41

In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country,
to a town in Judah,
and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.
And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary,
the baby [John the Baptist] leaped in her womb.

that’s because trump is so insanely far right that even the fairly far right gop saw how f**ked he was

it was conservative democrats that owned slaves, and liberal republicans that freed them. so the slave owning, n-word saying democrats of then would be a part of your party today.

how the nazis and soldiers use nick names to justify what they did, they were doing it to people. people who have lived, who have thoughts and feeling and can conceptualize things, a fetus(the actually name for an embryo at that stage in the birth cycle) can’t do any of that.

i don’t f**k with religion

Trump was the best president we have seen in our lifetimes, bar none. His accomplishments helped all of us across the board, many of which can be found in this list of links: www.magapill.com

Your characterization of Trump, aside from being crude, is patently wrong, and totally uninformed.

"it was conservative democrats that owned slaves, and liberal republicans that freed them. so the slave owning, n-word saying democrats of then would be a part of your party today."

This nonsense of "the Parties switched" is just that, nonsense. It was cooked up in the late 60s by liberal elitists in universities, and it can be used to determine who has the intelligence to think for themselves and study history and apply basic logic, and who cannot do those things. You, for instance, have failed this basic test.

Do you REALLY believe that the "righteous liberals" would change parties and join the alleged Party of racists and slave owners? Or that the racist "conservatives" would suddenly find a heart and switch to the other side? Amazing how complete was that transition. To believe such a thing is to be ignorant- the question is, will you choose to be intentionally igorant?

then why do i only see conservatives flying the neo confederate and actual confederate flag?

There's absolutely no way that you're a West Point cadet. Your writing style is atrocious, but very similar to some other libs I've seen here. You just created this account 10 days before classes started? I'd think you'd have better things to do, West Point is very demanding, not a lot of down time. You've submitted three total memes on this account.

In other words, you're an alt. I have my suspicions who, but I won't say at this point.

no, go ahead. who?

"it was conservative democrats that owned slaves, and liberal republicans that freed them. so the slave owning, n-word saying democrats of then would be a part of your party today."

psssst, look at a map. Political parties aren't regions.
AKA no.

"how the nazis and soldiers use nick names to justify what they did, they were doing it to people. people who have lived, who have thoughts and feeling and can conceptualize things, a fetus(the actually name for an embryo at that stage in the birth cycle) can’t do any of that."

It would seem some adults can't either, as tethering a lazy bogus facsimile of an argument to simple semantics doesn't change the fact that the unborn - watch this - HUMAN OFFSPRING that the purpose of abortion is to - wait for it - KILL, is, by defintion, human offspring. Oh, and alive, hence the killing part.

Good one!