Thank a democrat

Take Los Angeles - please!

If you haven't posted that meme then please do so.

At this point, California is kind of a dead horse: a proof of concept that, once implemented, Democrat programs don't work.

The Reagan quote comes to mind: "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."

Even Caitlin Jenner would rather be in Australia than campaigning to be governor!

it's also where car-dependent suburban housing has become unaffordable due to the government's plan to raise taxes in aims of covering their road, sewage, and electricity costs.

Housing in California has been unaffordable for decades. That is why my wife and I left the state in 2000. It has only gotten much worse since we left. If you didn't buy your house 40 years or more ago in California then I don't know how you can even afford one there now, especially in Orange County or the SF Bay Area.

car-dependent cities have also been around for decades; seventy years as a matter of fact.

California housing prices are driven by foreign investors mostly Chinese now buying up property and competing with each other to buy it up. Housing prices and rents would be lower if the limited foreign purchase of US homes and property especially in California.

"Housing prices and rents would be lower if the limited foreign purchase of US homes and property especially in California."

they would also be lower if cities were built economically instead of desperately trying to profit off of sprawls

Bruh have you seen a third world cesspool.

Yes, Peru, South Korea, Panama, and Detroit.

and do you know what third world means? Oh and wrong Korea.

CONGRATULATIONS YOUVE RUINED OUT CHILDRENS FUTURE

Lol

Ye

lol if america was third world you wouldn't be able to post this image.

It's the red states that are keeping America afloat. Soon that won't be enough. Total and complete economic collapse is inevitable. It will happen sooner rather than later.

just pointin' out that you guys were talkin' ab cases, but what ab the death rate?

That's because I didn't find any statistics about the numbers of people in hospitals. Why is it important? That's just one aspect of the infection. I'm sure people would rather not be in the hospital but I would take that over death.

Same. Thats somethin' ppl wont tell you

Ya I understand Florida is leading the nation, breaking new records in covid hospitalizations.

Florida is up there but it is NOT leading the nation. California is leading the nation (as of yesterday) in COVID-19 cases.

The top 5 states in total number of COVID-19 cases are
California: 4,017,658
Texas 3,201,828
Florida 2,724,131
New York 2,228,617
Illinois 1,433,313
(https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

Apparently this virus doesn't seem to care about politics. Nor does it care about lock downs or mask mandates.

So while Florida and Texas are near the top so are the worst of the worst blue states. The blue states that are shooting their economy right in the face.

Florida is only getting the attention of the left because of Gov DeSantis and his opposition killing Florida's economy and keeping their kids from getting an education over a virus that has killed 0.18% of Florida residents.

That 0.18% is based on Florida's current population of 21,944,577 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/florida-population) and the total number of COVID-19 deaths in Florida (39,403).

In other words, if you live in Florida you have a 99.8% chance of surviving COVID-19. If you currently have COVID-19 and you live in Florida then you have a 98.55% of surviving.

Joe Biden and the left thinks that killing the jobs and dumbing down their kids is the more important goal. Socialism thrives on keeping people dependent on the state and keeping people stupid. Smart and/or independent people are too hard to control.

Leftist lie debunked!

California's population is nearly 2x what Florida's is (and has more densely populated cities than Florida), yet based on your numbers Florida has roughly 2/3 as many cases as CA.

The virus doesn't care about politics, but there is ample evidence it cares about vaccinations.. and there also seems to be at least somewhat of a connection to economics as well.

According to USA Today, states with lower vaccination rates/higher covid cases have been lagging as far as economic growth the past 2 months compared to states with higher vaccination rates. Not sure if these states are necessarily the blue states you claim are "shooting their economy in the face", but eh...

Also wow.. You think President Joe Biden is trying to dumb down... FLORIDA... because... socialism..??

Florida and California both share a large Hispanic population. Statistically Hispanics and blacks are much less likely to get the vaccination than whites.

Taking the total number of cases of COVID-19 in each state and comparing that number to the total recovered in each state:

Florida: 84% of COVID-19 patients fully recovered
California: 52% of COVID-19 patients fully recovered

The percentage of active cases to total cases:
Florida: 14% of all cases are still active
California: 53% of all cases are still active

What do those numbers say?

If lock downs and masks worked then Florida should have California's numbers but the don't. Florida has a much higher recovery rate and a much lower percentage of active cases.

California's larger population does not account for that because I am basing those numbers on percentages rather than population.

Actually Joe Biden isn't trying to do anything other than trying to remember what his name is. Is the people pulling his puppet strings who are making his policy. And those people are global socialists. They are the ones who installed him as president. That is where all that money came from to put a completely incompetent president in the White House. And you think it was your votes that did that. That's absurd. None of you actually voted for Biden, you were all voting against Trump and you didn't have enough to keep him out of the White House so your side cheated..... again.

But if you don't think our education system, not just in Florida but nationwide, is not dumbing down kids then your eyes aren't open. In addition to teaching children more about their feelings than about reading, writing and arithmetic, your side has pushed leftist propaganda into the schools instead of historical facts. You've pushed the 1619 Project and Critical Race Theory into our schools. The 1619 Project is a joke. It is a complete fabrication and does not rely on any historical fact.

Critical Race Theory is a modification of Critical Theory. Critical Theory IS Marxism. It is all about Marxism. It is about dividing our country into the rich vs the poor by making the poor envy the rich enough to take all of their wealth away from them. In other words theft.

Critical Race Theory does not discount the rich vs poor scheme, it adds white vs everyone else. In other words racism.

So if you think that socialism isn't trying to be forced down our throats then you need to take a great big huge dose of open-your-eyes.

WTF do recovery numbers have to do with anything??? Masks, social distancing, and shut downs have nothing to do with recovery. They are preventative measures to stop/slow the spread. Red herring.

I will say that discrepancy in numbers is interesting but according to the SF Chronicle, some of the most populous cities/counties in California don't even bother recording recovery numbers. So that could have something to do with it.

Seems to me the most relevant metric in terms of prevention would be average daily new cases. And if the numbers I have seen in this area are accurate, California is mopping the f*cking floor with Florida.... 11,000 vs 19,000 (again.. with roughly half the population).

On a more broad level you might try to argue the effectiveness of masks or the economic risk/reward of lockdowns but the "lockdowns don't work" argument generally seems a bit ridiculous. If I'm sitting in a room in my house and you're sitting in a room in your house, there's literally no way I can transmit the virus to you and vice versa. Maybe you think lockdowns just mean nobody can go to work and everyone parties (?) idk.

"Your side cheated...again"
Don't worry... Trump will be reinstated next month. For sure. Lol
xD

Idk to what extent or in what context CRT or 1619 project is being taught anywhere in schools but the idea that Biden or his globalist whoever is teaching kids about racism and/or slavery to make them become slaves to socialism seems counterproductive. Idk. It's interesting the World Socialist Web Site which seems to be an actual globalist socialist organization denounced both CRT and the 1619 project. Idk ... Maybe that socialist guy I've seen around here sometimes disagrees.

"'Your side cheated...again'
Don't worry... Trump will be reinstated next month. For sure. Lol
xD"

I'm not one of those who thinks that is going to happen at any time. I think there is just way too much international money being spent to keep anything like that from ever happening.

Besides the World Economic Forum has a Great Reset to force on us and the UN has to have it all in place by the year of Agenda 2030. 2030 is the year the caca is really going to start hitting the fan. That is the beginning of the new serfdom were we work to support the oligarchies and not ourselves. I believe their stated goal is start the ball rolling in 2030 and by 2050 freedom will be a thing of the past. Fortunately for me, in the year 2050 I will be 92 and probably dead before that. Hopefully I will die a free man. Unfortunately I have a lot of nephews and nieces who won't be so lucky.

CRT and 1619 is not being taught in all schools. You are much more likely to see it taught in blue state schools than red. However, parents are objecting all over the country to that crap.

"It's interesting the World Socialist Web Site which seems to be an actual globalist socialist organization denounced both CRT and the 1619 project."

That's bizarre. I would have never expected that because American socialists are the ones who are pushing it. I'll have to look that up.

"WTF do recovery numbers have to do with anything??? Masks, social distancing, and shut downs have nothing to do with recovery. They are preventative measures to stop/slow the spread. Red herring."

Think about what I wrote. Read it again if you need to. Was everything I said about recovery rates?

Part of what I said was about active cases. If lock downs and masks worked then California should be at the bottom of the list of active cases. Instead they are at the top.

The media is reporting that Florida is going crazy with new cases but if you look at the actual numbers you can clearly see that this is propaganda. It is purely political. Left hatred is being focused on DeSantis now that Trump is out of office and so they must make him look bad. They're hoping no one looks at the numbers.

"I will say that discrepancy in numbers is interesting but according to the SF Chronicle, some of the most populous cities/counties in California don't even bother recording recovery numbers. So that could have something to do with it."

Maybe. But I trust the SF Chronicle about as much as I trust Bernie Madoff with my savings account. For most of the pandemic and especially at the beginning the number of cases were purposely being inflated. I have no clue why but several doctors were told that if a person came in with allergies they were supposed to report that as COVID-19. So when the uber left "journalists" at the SF Chronicle say that some towns are under reporting I first have to ask are they making excuses or are they actually reporting the facts.

"Seems to me the most relevant metric in terms of prevention would be average daily new cases"

I don't have a problem with that. However, in order to compare apples to apples you have to rely on the percentages. If you rely on total numbers, then like you said, California is mopping the floor with Florida and that is not an accurate comparison.

"On a more broad level you might try to argue the effectiveness of masks or the economic risk/reward of lockdowns but the "lockdowns don't work" argument generally seems a bit ridiculous. "

The problem I have with lock downs is the fact that the survival rate of COVID-19 has never dropped below 99%. That is absurd to shut a business down with that kind of survival rate.

"Part of what I said was about active cases. If lock downs and masks worked then California should be at the bottom of the list of active cases."

It's still a red herring. Lockdowns, masks, etc prevent new cases.. they do not stop active cases. If you have covid and you're sick in the hospital, wearing a mask might help prevent others from catching it from you but it does nothing as far as you actively having covid.

Seems active cases and recoveries would be a better indicator of how well TREATMENT works (or doesn't work) than an indicator of how well preventative measures work or don't work.

Also I may be wrong about this but they may calculate active cases by taking total number of cases and subtracting recoveries + deaths. So if CA most populous counties aren't recording recoveries, cases that already recovered would still be being counted as active cases.... making CA active cases artificially inflated. But regardless of that... again... active case stats nor recoveries really say much as far as masks and lockdowns working or not working.

I have heard considerably more people talking about falsifying covid cases/deaths here than I have seen actual examples of it. It may exist but it also seems plausible they have been undercounted. I've never gone to the hospital for the flu yet I've had it many times.

Not sure what you mean about needing it as a % to make it apples to apples ?.. Theoretically if Florida has half the population of CA (and it does), you would expect them to have half as many new daily cases as CA.... Yet FL has almost 2x as many as CA. That expressed as a % would still demonstrate them doing worse.

99% survival = 1% death. If 1% of America died that would be roughly 3.3 million people.. that being said... If an entire building /business is vaccinated, I might question the need for shutting it down.

"It's still a red herring. Lockdowns, masks, etc prevent new cases.. they do not stop active cases"

Dude, active cases ARE new cases. For most this virus lasts a week or two. That makes them new. If the virus lasted months then you would have a point. So as the number of active cases increases or decreases that is something very real to look at because those are the new cases.

"Seems active cases and recoveries would be a better indicator of how well TREATMENT works (or doesn't work) than an indicator of how well preventative measures work or don't work."

I agree.

"Also I may be wrong about this but they may calculate active cases by taking total number of cases and subtracting recoveries + deaths"

That makes sense. But like I said, active cases are new cases because the illness does not last very long. Some people recover in a matter of 2, 3 or 4 days.

I suppose of you want to count the number of cases reported in one day then you could consider that new cases.

"I have heard considerably more people talking about falsifying covid cases/deaths here than I have seen actual examples of it."

You only see it here because you don't look for it elsewhere. You'll never see or read it in the mainstream news because they the mouthpiece of the Democrat party.

I've read articles and seen videos of doctors saying that they were told to count stuff as COVID that was not COVID, like allergies.

The media isn't doing it any more nationwide. They are only doing it in red states to make conservatives look bad. They wanted to make Trump look bad last year and that is why COVID cases were over reported. Now that Biden is president you'll only get accurate numbers in blue states.

That means even the numbers that I posted might be inaccurate.

"Not sure what you mean about needing it as a % to make it apples to apples ?"

Sometimes I don't explain myself very well. Sorry about that. All I meant is that you cannot compare totals between California and Florida because California has a much bigger population. Totals don't give an accurate picture. However if you do it by percentages of the totals then you get a better picture.

Because COVID infections are random the percentages between the states should be much more in alignment with each other. If they are not then something is different between those two states.

Covid can take up to 14 days before you even start to show symptoms and if you're one of the unfortunate people to get it bad, it can take 6+ weeks to recover...
All new cases are active but not all active cases are new.....(assuming that post mortem testing isn't a thing... If it is, then theoretically there could even be new cases which are not active.) But ya I'm pretty sure new cases are however many new people tested positive on a given day. (Sometimes expressed as a 7 day average.)

If doctors were told to falsely report covid cases, that is fraud and/or malpractice and they are liable to get sued, lose their license, and possibly do jail time if proven.. Has any of that happened?

Covid cases in America peaked in late December 2020/early January 2021.. If the covid numbers were fake news to make trump look bad idk why they waited to have the worst of the covid peak be ~ 2 months after trump had already lost the election.. (?) Beyond that it seems there would also have to be a considerably deeper conspiracy involving covid deaths and making them parallel the excess deaths in 2020... which I have also seen no evidence of.

No matter how you slice it, when it comes to new (daily) average covid cases (which we seem to agree is the best way to gauge preventative measures...or at least better than active cases/recoveries), Florida is getting their ass handed to them. If you want it as a percentage of their population: ~0.09% of Florida's population is getting infected with new cases every day vs only ~ 0.03% of California's population... Basically they're doing ~3x as bad as California (or 300% worse) even when population adjusted.

I would generally agree with your last statement.

covid-19 deaths and cases are two different things so why does it matter that ppl are in hospitals from covid if they aren't dyin'?

Why it matters:
1. Covid deaths typically track new covid cases. An increase or decrease in covid cases = a future increase or decrease in covid deaths. I think generally they are offset by a few weeks.

2. They actually ARE dying. Covid deaths in Florida are already beginning to increase. Currently they're averaging ~88 deaths per day. I would expect that number to continue increasing until a few weeks after new cases begin decreasing.

3. There is more or less a fixed amount of workers and space to care for patients at a hospital at a given time. If suddenly more covid patients begin flooding hospitals than they can care for, this is obviously a problem....for Covid patients, for the hospital staff, and for anyone with any other problems requiring hospitalization.

*cough cough* ohio exists at all *cough cough*

Ohio is number 8 in the top COVID-19 infected states.

Going to Ohio in three weeks. Not scared at all. Going to a concert (aka super spreader event) without a mask!

If I die I'll let you know.

We all have to die sometime. :)

doesn't mean its economy is that great. part of why ohio suffers is due to the lack of rail service in its large cities

I'm not sure how Ohio's economy is doing. That's not a state that I pay a lot of attention to. I drove through Ohio once but that is the only connection I have to that state. Oh yeah, and I have a Devo album. They're from Ohio.

"I'm not sure how Ohio's economy is doing."

although on the higher end of manufacturing, about 13% of ohio's population is in poverty

"Oh yeah, and I have a Devo album. They're from Ohio"

^cool

You obviously don't understand what a third world country is.

exaggeration size large

How stupid are you? Do 5 year olds need to work in mines so that they can support their family, are you so poor that a small cut on your leg can kill you? Are you so poor that if you got an infection you would have to chose between dying and getting your children out of poverty?

Yea I didn’t f**king think so.

In America if our poverty stricken are offered food they can say I'm not in the mood for that.

The rest of the world It's either eat it or starve.

How does being poor mean a small cut can kill you? That’s ridiculous, you have obviously never been poor.

Infection

It won’t take long till. We are there. See Venezuela. A prosperous oil rich nation now its people are starving and dying for lack of medicine thanks to socialism.

Yea sure, America, the country with every single trillion dollar country in existence is at risk of going bankrupt. Makes sense.

The fact you believe that too be impossible exposes your naivety.