I don’t want to discuss nutritional aspects, I want to discuss the moral aspects

I’m not against them I just don’t like it when they try to force it onto other people

Well... LD wrote my response nearly word for word. Upvote for you!

*nod*

I also think if we stopped all farms for cows and pigs they would probably go extinct or at least endangered (at least in the USA) since they are used to being farmed and arnt used to being wild

Especially since they are domesticated, they are not meant to live in the wild. Not to mention introducing them free range on an ecosystem not meant for them could be devastating for it. However what about the farms that put them in small cages?

Those farms should be fixed because it’s also not healthy and as good when they do that

Yeah, I found this really good brand where the yolks are bright orange, like BRIGHT orange. The tastiest eggs we can find, and the happiest chickens that made them

My grandparents have chickens and those eggs are delicious

I went to New Zealand in 2019, and all the animal products are delicious, you can see how well they treat their animals there. They get tons of grazing land

Yeah that was probably nice

My personal view is that if vegans/vegetarians switched to eating happier animals only, they would make a larger difference

That is wonderful, but I doubt it's scalable to a country like the U.S. (population of around 5 million versus around 330 million). If we as a country would eat less meat and guarantee that it was sustainably and not cruelly farmed, that would be wonderful.

However, that would raise the grocery bill for most families and I can already hear the screaming over "socialism" . . . so I'm not holding my breath.

Well, every dollar I give to people who treat my delicious meat well instead of the people who don’t treat them well gives the good companies a slightly higher advantage

Very true, and very commendable. But, like New Zealand, how scalable is it? Many people who do eat meat don't have the skills or the luxury that would allow making that choice. (Sidebar: If we can't agree as a society to wear a piece of cloth over our faces to save human lives, how do we agree to restrict and pay more for our pleasures to keep animals from suffering? En masse, we just aren't self-sacrificing enough.)

And it's a growing problem. There are more humans on earth, and over time, we're eating more meat per person.

My source* for the graphs says: "As a global average, per capita meat consumption has increased approximately 20 kilograms since 1961; the average person consumed around 43 kilograms of meat in 2014. This increase in per capita meat trends means total meat production has been growing at a much faster than the rate of population growth."

*https://ourworldindata.org/meat-production

I never said other people had to do it, I’m just voting with my pocketbook

Been vegetarian on and off for years, never a moral issue but digesting and red dye. Veggies are cheap af to and easier to burn off. It’s more about having a cleaner body and less contamination in what you eat, drink and put on your skin.

I'll toast to that

If you went out hunting and shot a deer, I'd eat it. But if you've got literally thousands of cows in a warehouse being stuffed with corn in their 2 square meters of space, I'm not touching that meat. I know I'm not bringing down these billionaires, but it just feels.. gross.

I only eat organic free-range meat, it’s tastier(in my opinion), healthier(to the best of my knowledge), and overall more ethical. I can see how not paying for any meat products makes sense, however it’s harder to make people take larger steps. By only eating the most free-range animal products available I believe I am doing more to help the animals, because I am paying people to treat them better. It’s a small step, but hopefully they add up

I commend your effort

Maybe people are against vegans because of a certain teacher.

Wot

*points to that vegan teacher*

:/

Was it not obvious?

People don’t become vegan because their teacher was vegan, that’s not really how it works :/

Dude, I'm saying people hate vegans because of that vegan teacher.

Wot

She's a... celebrity, I guess. All you need to know about her is one time she equated Gordon Ramsay with Hitler. (cuz of the meat-cooking part...)

That vegan teacher

I'm a vegan because I want to help animals

How does being vegan help animals? In what way does not eating meat or animal products help the animals they come from

By not participating in those products the companies are losing money because there are several vegans in the country

That’s makes sense, but what about the farms that treat their animals well?

Unfortunately we can't change that

Don’t you want farms that treat their animals well though? I mean they are certainly better than the ones that shove their animals in cages to small to move in

beleive me i do

If you payed for meat from free-range farms you could help support them and give them an edge against caged farms

It helps humans by reducing pollution . . . and the other animals in our ecosystem.

I can see that

So you don't eat eggs?

No

I'm not one cuz we're natural omnivores and I think changing that is unhealthy. But I respect them.

I mean
They are not eating a vital part of their diet
Missing out on delicious meat
And getting tones of criticism
Just to help animals

Exactly. Unnatural. But I can understand why though-

They care

Yeah
I care too, but I personally think buying the tastier and healthier organic food helps more because it supports those who treat animals better
Also

Do
We
Really
Know
Plants
Aren’t
Self
Aware?

Plants feel emotuon. It's been proven that speaking in happy tones to them makes them healthier.

Exactly
If you didn’t eat anything sentient you would die of starvation

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