People think America is pretty great, except...

It’s all about seeking that American dream. Sitting on your ass and waiting for it to come to you leads to poverty.

If oppression is identified by once having hardship - we’re all oppressed. Native Americans, Asian Americans, African Americans, and - I know it’s going to believe but - WHITE Americans have all been oppressed at one time or another.

As far as Vets are concerned, you’re right. The cause of that was the poorly managed VA hospitals and programs. Guess who was fixing that?

Anyways.. Know what breaks through this “I’m oppressed!” Ideology? Willpower.

Everyone is caught up in this “fast food” mentality.. one doesn’t want to earn an education - just granted one. One doesn’t want want to open their own business - they just want the title of CEO. One doesn’t want to earn money - they just want to be rich. One doesn’t want to pursue the American dream - they want to be given it. And when shit doesn’t go their way? Scream about how oppressed you are. It’s a socialist mentality. A lazy mentality.

To be fair, the people WITH degrees - frivolous critical studies degrees, overwhelmingly - are often the most indoctrinated and thus most flagrantly idiotic these days... but your overall point is sound. Self improvement and the willingness to do so despite obstacles is what defines a successful person... especially in America. Which explains why many from around the world who are used to working hard want to come here... and why so many of us who are born here take it all for granted.

Not having what you want when you want it is not oppression. Being punished for breaking laws is not oppression. Having to play by the same rules as everyone else is not oppression. It's equality. Relying on the concept of oppression as some life saver to buoy your existence is - as ForTheLulz rightly points out - lazy and disingenuous in the extreme.

Or just you know if your homeless no one will hire you

False. There are plenty of stories of people that overcome homelessness. Of course, more seem to slump into it. May be because of depression. But people have lost everything and came back even more successful. This includes drug addiction, alcoholism, gambling, and homelessness.

Veterans are 50% more likely to become homeless than other Americans due to poverty, lack of support networks, and dismal living conditions in overcrowded or substandard housing. About 1.5 million veterans are considered at-risk of homelessness. Or other reasons

Right - but it’s because the VA sucks. We have poor veterans programs. This is mostly a federal issue. I don’t foresee Biden doing anything for troops - except for letting them know their gender and race is all that matters to them.

“Suckers and loser”-
Donald Trump on vets but biden is bad

Oh we are taking things out of context? Remember when Biden called our troops a bunch of “.. stupid bastards”?

Thats worse?

Poverty is a valid argument. However, nowhere else in the world has - or had, since hyperinflation seems to be a thing now - better odds for legitimate upward mobility than the United States. Concurrently, the US has done the most to alleviate poverty, not only in America, but around the world. This is where I would usually provide links but I've been warned against doing that... however, it is easy to search up in Google; type "statistical analysis of US poverty" and prepare for a deep dive.

It's absolutely true that vets seem get meaningless platitudes like "thank you for your service" instead of actual help... though programs do exist for us. Meanwhile, people living in the ghettos and trailer parks who knock out 6 or more illegitimate children get cash and benefits... that they tend to squander. This is a breakdown of our leadership/policies - not an indictment on America as a whole - and is not a reason to disgrace/dishonor the nation, its anthem or its flag.

I'm black, a vet and still currently serving in a reserve capacity. I came from a lower-middle class family with parents (plural) that worked hard for what they have. The poorest in our community had a car, a phone, refrigeration, running water, sewage and (which is the most important thing) the freedom to gain some kind of employment... lightyears beyond the "poor" in most other countries. The longest I've been without a job has been a period of just over one month when I was transitioning from active duty to the civilian sector and I started working delivering papers when I was 13. I now continue to serve my country in civilian and military capacities, own my own house and invest in my community... my child will be better positioned to achieve success in her lifetime because of my hard work and the hard work that got me to where I am.

Being economically disadvantaged and being black are not excuses and I'm getting very tired of using them as such. Also, stop using my race as both shield and sword to make a racial point. I don't speak for everyone who was ever black in America but I assure you that we are every bit as capable as any other race in America to gain employment, get ID cards and achieve general success... we can even walk, talk and breathe without white people's help, as hard as that may be to believe.

Well said.

Maybe put down the guns and open a book. Hardship will end.

Hardship will always persist, relatively speaking. It's not the shittiness of the circumstance that dictates where you'll end up in life, it's your willingness to improve yourself to overcome the circumstances.

But, yes... the "thug life" is great only as a meme... it's borderline mental retardation otherwise.

Maybe have regan not in trouduce coke to black communities to destabilize them then hardship will end

That would be the CIA brah! Lol. Wow in the clouds

Pretty amazing it takes 30 some years to overcome coke hardship. Did you really mention regan????? Rahahaha

And there part of the government who was in the government regean

So let me get this straight? The CIA is now fair and balanced. Straight forward and was only corrupt under Regan administration?? Haha.

I thinking I'm arguing with a bot. Nobody could be this dumb!

Lefties in America: Hold my beer

No I’m saying regean controled the CIA and introduceed come to black communities there just as shitty now

99.9% of all poverty stricken don't burn the flag or riot, loot, burn inside city after city for an entire year. Only nationhating Cultural Marxists do that and most of THEM turn out to have a fairly decent discretionary income.

So they can’t dislike America?

Sure they can . . . just like any typical Cultural Marxist loving and nation-hating leftist with a cloves smoking, birkenstock wearing, lifetime trustfund background whom considers tossing Molotov Coctails at police . . . relaxing entertainment. But thanks for asking.

You mean like those in Cuba?

US: sactions cuba for 60 yrs
Cuba: has crisis
US: just come here the place that sactions you move here the place that doesn’t support in fact hates your country

The U.S doesn't hate Cuba. We hate Communism because it is a toxic, failed ideology. Nothing about being Cuban is any different intrinsically from being Haitian.

Stop deflecting. You can't defend communism or socialism as primary systems and we both know it. Try staying on topic.

You can't possibly be this naive, can you?

Not as naive as you ignore ing facts

Oh that's rich.

Tell me then, Chimmels the Master Economist, why did the U.S.S.R fail? It had the resources needed to be entirely self-sufficient, and yet it completely collapsed...

Gorbachev who can suck a dick dissolved it

Auto correct f**ked it up

Ha. It's not Gorbachev's fault. He just saw the writing on the wall.

Why did the USSR back out of the cold war? Why did they have to spend $3-4 merely maintain parity with a $1 spent by the West in any given field? Why did labor failures (the infamous, "they pretended to pay us and we pretended to work" quote comes to mind) rack its mines and collective fields? Most tellingly, why the Communists in charge increasingly move towards opening up private markets for its subjects in its later years? Seems like that'd be a step backwards, if they really were as prosperous and idyllic as you believe.

This is looking past the millions of people they straight up massacred, hundreds of thousands of WWII prisoners they tortured for decades, freedom of expression they suppressed, and personal liberties they denied their "free and enabled" proletariat.

Don't dodge the questions, answer them and face reality: The Soviet Union was a failed, miserable state. A plague on humanity, it built its soulless legacy on the shambles of millions of lives. We shouldn't ever want it, Communism, or any other failed ideology.

But you know manifest destiny america and the ethnic cleaning here was good also colonial England adopted capitalism immediately colonized 1/4 of the world destroyed cultures and nearly wiped out races capitalism is a failed system

1. You didn't address a single point I made.

2. Your points raised as to the impact Europe had on the rest of the world are valid, but off topic (and wrong...capitalism didn't cause that. Social, geopolitical, and philosophical trends influenced Europe's myriad nations and their foreign policy).

3. Capitalism, properly regulated, is the most successful and powerful economic engine humanity has ever devised. Every powerful nation on earth runs on capitalism, even China (which again started as a Communist country. Explain that one, eh?). Your computer or phone you're using using to type your delusional claims? The internet hubs, T1-6 lines used to connect them, building and IT companies that installed them, and any other technology used to connect and power your device, those exist because the PRIVATE MARKET incentivized people to find new and inventive.

Socialism/communism rely on human goodwill and selflessness to work. That is in short supply at the best of times and history confirms this. Capitalism? Capitalism runs on greed. Human greed is infinite and everyone is greedy. Greedy people want to get resources at the best possible price. If two people want each other's resources then they'll both trade at rates equitable to both. If not everyone wants something offered by another they use something to represent wealth, which is money. Money is a liquid asset, unlike apples or lumber, so you can use it in a capitalist society to effect deals IMPOSSIBLE under communism because it is easier to trade with money than raw goods.

This in turn allows capitalism to create and spread (via deals agreeable to all involved, because of greed and competition to satisfy that greed) wealth that you again could never have under a pure Communist system.

But before you get to any of this you need to address the failings of the USSR and Communism's huge role in its failure.

Ok so if capitalism didn’t make that happen explain why they just decided to then and also if you’re saying that china is communist you hve no point saying that “china biden” is communist

OK bud, you seriously need to learn how to properly formulate your argument.

1. You still have not addressed my points about the U.S.S.R's failings.

2. As I said, it was geopolitical and philosophical in nature. Plenty of books exist on why Europe's geography made it a global powerhouse of nations and dominant expansionary/imperialistic force on earth. Read one of them. They'll explain it better than I can or frankly have the patience to do.

3. Not once here have I mentioned Biden or specifically the term 'China Biden'. I don't care what others have said or how that term bothers you; when you're debating with me we keep the discussion to the confines of the original argument, which in this case is simply asking you to provide any well-sources evidence that the U.S.S.R was actually a great, prosperous nation (as you contend) and not a hellscape of tyranny under which people were oppressed, abused, or straight up executed for not toeing the party line (as I contend).

Once we settle that I'm more than happy to discuss the failings of capitalism with you. I'll openly say this now; unrestrained it is no better than communism/socialism, because tyranny is the eventual result of either system. You're just a corporate slave rather than one of the state. The difference though is that you can regulate capitalism in such a manner that it is successful. Can't do that with socialism or communism.

Facts: The average global salary is $3,571. The poverty threshold in the USA is a little over $12,000 income per year. If you work a minimum wage job going by the lowest minimum wage, not even the average minimum wage in the US, you make over $15,000 per year, almost 5x the global average. What is considered poor in the US is quite wealthy compared to the rest of the world. Show some damn appreciation.

And 7.25 and hour not enough to even rent a house

Which is why you rent a room instead.

How do you cook

Or afford food also

I’ll say it again until you understand: 5X THE AVERAGE GLOBAL SALARY.

If you’re working minimum wage then you shouldn’t be renting a house, rent an apartment or really anything smaller than a house. Also, minimum wage does in fact cover average rent costs for states like Texas which don’t have ridiculous housing costs like California. In Texas you can afford the average apartment rent, average yearly food costs for 1 person, and still have a couple hundred left over. That’s considered tight living here in the US but elsewhere that’d be nice living, since what we see in our spoiled eyes as minimum wage and a crappy apartment is more money than you would know to do with and luxury room with running water and everything. Ask yourself: Do I have food and water? Do I have reliable transportation? Do I have an internet connection and a device to use it on? Do I have a structurally stable living place? Do I have systems that cater to my desired temperature?

I myself lived in a small town in Perú for over a year and it gave me quite the perspective on how the rest of the world lives outside the wealthy US. Middle class in Urubamba Perú has a small adobe (mud and straw) house you likely built yourself, dirt floor, 4 total sets of clothes, unreliable running water because your source is the local river running down the mountain. If the season is too wet or too dry the water comes out muddy or not at all. Whatever temperature it is outside is what it is inside, which is in the 90’s F during summer and 40’s at night, including summertime. Winter it gets to low 30’s at night. Want to take a shower? Almost nobody even owns a shower head for reasons I just named so your best bet is too dig yourself a canal from the river to near your home (which you’ll probably need to do anyway for irrigation purposes, most people are farmers) and rinse yourself in ice cold mountain water. Any water you drink should be bought in bottle or boiled first, it doesn’t just come purified out of every faucet like in America. There are basically 5 jobs you can work. Farmer, which is most common and you’ll be growing corn, potatoes, rice and a couple other crops which you sell at the only official market in town. You could be a restaurant worker, but these are limited in number. You could be a bus/taxi driver since the only people who own a vehicle at all are the rich or bus and taxi drivers. You could be a shopkeep selling day to day groceries using your small home as the store. This actually gets a fair amount of business, since the only supermarket marginally on par with a walmart is 2 hours drive to Cusco and few people can afford to travel and buy from there. And yet, everybody there is a hell of a lot more grateful for what they have than Americans are.

All this is MIDDLE CLASS Perú, I haven’t even told you what poor looks like over there. For the Peruvian middle class, American poor is a dream life most will never get.

There are also plenty of people in America experienceing hardship

Yes! It is up to the individual to overcome the hardship. Many do, Others lay down and expect to be taken care of. Which will you be.

Giving a helping hand to another is a good thing. You can help anyone you want to.

I have tried to help many. Some gladly accept your help and get a good footing to go on. Others will not accept your help. you just keep on trying. If YOU are not part of the solution, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Even in Jesus' example only 1 in 4 succeed.

I’m the problem because I’ve been working my whole life for minimum wage ( just and example)

Exactly my point. You live in the most prosperous country in the world. So much so that on minimum wage you are well fed, clothed, you have a roof over your head, an internet connection, a device to use it with allowing us to have this very conversation, and enough time on your hands to bother spending it on a meme website. The power of living in a developed country allows you to do all this on minimum wage.

You know that was just a example right

WOW. I wasn’t expecting you to bring up such a banger but damn, what a solid response I never thought of. I take back everything I said.

If you are over 17 and still working for minimum wage you are not working hard enough.

How will working overtime give you a raise also the company moght not have enough money to give you a raise/bonus

Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs. I worked one once.

If you are over 17 (from your posts, I doubt it) join the military and get some skills for free. I almost forgot, you are an America hater. Well the military IS getting woke, so.

"the company moght not have enough money to give you a raise/bonus"

So you think the GOVERNMENT should raise the minimum wage and put your hypothetical company out of business? That is what actually happens.

So the military has good benefits o well those are all things everyone would have under socialism

A lazy person might think so.