NO ONE gaslights like a Democrat!

You question appears, at first glance, to be a non sequitur.

But to be sure, the Democrat Party is working overtime to instill a Socialist tyranny that will require forced allegiance to an Almighty State, so you may not have all that long to wait for your request to be fulfilled.

This is based upon what?
Neither side wants that. That goes directly against everything both parties and the American government itself stands for.
Y'all are talking about liberals being sheep and then reciting conspiracy theories that sound like the History channel at 3 AM.
If the past 4 years have been that divisive, then maybe each side should listen to what the other wants and see them as people rather than adversaries.

It is not a conspiracy theory that socialism is being pushed on America. If you study what socialism is you can see it happening mostly by the Democrat party but there are also too many Republicans pushing it also.

If you don't like socialism and you are a Democrat then you are in the wrong party. You might want to consider the Libertarian or Constitution parties, or no party at all.

The reason for the divisiveness is specifically because of cultural Marxism (aka Critical Race Theory). Karl Marx's version of socialism thrives on division. It is part of the plan to take over a nation, outside of war. You exploit the weak minded into thinking that there are two groups, the oppressors and the oppressed. Marx based his theory on the workers (which he called the proletariat) vs the business owners or rich (the bourgeoisie). That didn't work so well in America where even the poor have a better life than in most nations. So the tactic changed. It is now divided on race. Whites are the oppressors and blacks (unless it is politically expedient to include others) are the oppressed. This hasn't taken hold until recently when the left started pushed Critical Race Theory into public schools.

I agree that we need to talk but every time a conservative tries we get our hands bit off. The left is always talking about "having a conversation". The right has finally learned that what the left is saying is "shut up and listen". This is perpetuating another divide between the right and the left.

Thanks for the info! Never got a real concrete argument regarding critical race theory til now. I feel like both sides are perpetuating division, and something needs to be done about it. Hence why I think actually talking things out, very much like we're doing here, could help resolve some of the issues here.
I see now how, from the POV of a conservative, it looks like the cultural Marxism thing is taking hold.
From a liberal POV, it looks closer to a wave of protests for cultural equality, which, while we're much closer to now than ever before, has still not been fully achieved, as evidenced by recent events.
I don't think any party want to turn the US into an authoritarian nightmare though. And overall, I think most people really just want the same things. Good ol' life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Listen to 5 minutes of Andrew Breitbart spitting knowledge 10 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWgkYv-JOGA

Interesting to listen to. Quite informative on a mindset towards this that I wasn't aware of. I'd love to see and/or engage in a dialogue about this at some point.

Wikipedia says cultural Marxism is A WHITE SUPREMACIST CONSPIRACY THEORY (echo effects) lol so choose your sources carefully. That whole interview is interesting too.

With each of those plans when the UN and then the World Economic Forum first introduced their plans they caused a who lot of controversy so they changed the wording. The WEF even posted a video (that I have seen on YouTube - but good luck finding it because YouTube keeps taking it down as fast as someone posts it) where they said, "You will own nothing and you will be happy". A few seconds later they displayed the text, "You will rent everything".

The bedrock of individual liberty is private property ownership. If you do not own the land or house you live in then someone else does and they set the rules of what you can do to that house, apartment, town house, etc. If it is the government then they set the rules of what you can and cannot do with your life.

So you can still find all of their goals but the way they are worded isn't obvious until you realize that in order for them to accomplish their goals they are going to have to change how we live our lives.

Just throwing this in just because. In October the World Economic Forum, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Johns Hopkins University hosted an event. They called it Event 201. In this event the topic that was being discussed was what to do if the world were to suffer a pandemic.

4 to 5 months later the world was coincidentally in a pandemic. If I were to try to say that there was a direct connection I would be promoting a theory so I won't say that. However it sure looks like there is a connection.

Especially when the Wuhan Labs, in addition to doing research into viruses and other diseases, have a biological warfare building along with the rest of the labs.

Once again that could be entirely nothing at all.

Anyway, feel free to look up all of that stuff on the official World Economic Forum website (https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/) and the UN official website (https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21 and https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda).

They all relate it to solving climate change there are goals that do not have anything to do with climate change. And like I said you will have to think about what they mean and how they can accomplish these goals.

Do not rely on conspiracy theory website or in a whole lot of case the mainstream media. Go to the source.

John Kerry (in the Biden administration) has already said that Biden is fully committed to the Great Reset.

I'll provide a reply tomorrow; it's 2:30 AM and I have a flight tomorrow...

K I lied when I said I would wait to reply til tomorrow; I'm a huge sustainability advocate so this intrigued me.

Sustainability is fine when it is not forced. Anything forced is not worth it regardless of any good it may accomplish.

I mean, there's laws. It's called law en*force*ment because otherwise people would commit crimes.

Telling people what they can't do is the entire job of a government.

The problem with not making people use more sustainable practices using laws, fines, or taxes is that otherwise they'll go for the easier route, even if it's less sustainable, and then they'll have caused irreversible damage. That's what sustainability laws try to prevent.

Yeah, it's a tad annoying, but it's for the better, if it preserves things for future generations.

It depends on what type of a law that is being made. If it to prevent someone from directly infringing on someone else's rights then that is acceptable. If it just a government land grab then I am not okay with that. Our governments should ONLY own the land that all city, county, state and federal buildings are on. Outside of that I am okay with the national parks as the stand right now. We don't need to let the federal government grab any more land for any more parks.

I am strongly opposed to the idea that states and the federal government own so much land. Utah is almost 80% owned by the federal government. Nevada is not far behind Utah.

I am strongly opposed to turning law abiding citizens into criminals with the stroke of a pen. Especially when the law does not prevent an actual crime.

"Telling people what they can't do is the entire job of a government."

Do you know why the U.S. Constitution starts with the words "We The People...". The Constitution is a document created by the people to tell the government what it can and cannot do. We do not serve the government, the government serves us. We tell the government, they do not tell us.

George Washington compared governments to fire. If left uncontrolled it will burn you. This is why our government must be severely limited, small and powerless. The goal of our founding fathers was to create such a government.

We don't have that government any more. Our founders wouldn't even recognize the government they gave us. Our government employs more people than the top 35 international corporations combined. That is a whole lot of salaries that we are being forced to pay with our taxes and 90% of it is a complete waste of money.

"The problem with not making people use more sustainable practices using laws, fines, or taxes is that otherwise they'll go for the easier route"

That is NOT freedom. You're actually starting to scare me. The single most important part of life is freedom. It is more important than life itself. When a government creates "sustainability" laws that is far too vague. What does sustainability mean? What are you attempting to sustain by limiting my life? That could be anything and that is specifically why the word sustainability is used. People look at that word and think clean environment, curbing climate change, etc. But government's look at that word and will use it to justify anything. This is my problem with Agenda 21 and 2030.

Oh sick you provided links

"The UN first introduced their Agenda 21 (for the 21st century) and mapped out their plan that includes telling people where they can live and work." (And the other stuff after that and in the other reply but I’m trying to save space)

By the looks of it, pretty much everything here has to do with sustainability and international development. The only two pieces I could find in Agenda 21 regarding private land are Section II subsection 11.18, part c: “Supporting local organizations, communities, non-governmental organizations and private land owners, in particular women, youth, farmers and indigenous people/shifting cultivators, through extension and provision of inputs and training.” To put it simply, training people to own and operate their own farmland that *they own*, and Section II, subsection 15.18, part i: “Develop policies to encourage the conservation of biodiversity and the sustainable use of biological and genetic resources on private lands”. That is, to make policies that encourage biodiversity on land that people own. They’re not taking anything away, they’re just making sure that what you do on your land isn’t harming the world’s biodiversity. For example, say you owned an entire forest, but that forest was the only habitat for a certain species of, say, frog. The government would try to make sure that that frog was protected so that it didn’t go extinct. I’d say that’s pretty fair. You don’t own that species. Just the land. It’s to protect natural resources.

As for the whole conference about a pandemic, that’s probably because they’re becoming increasingly likely as a result of rapid development and lack of sanitation.
And as for labs in the Wuhan province having biowarfare labs… uh, yeah. It’s an entire province, and it’s in China. I’d expect that from them at this point. That’s not to say COVID is engineered, which it likely isn’t, but it’s to say that it has a waaaaaaaay higher chance of being a coincidence than you’d think if you look at the odds.

This is why you have to think about what their goals are. If they take your land away from you then you stop paying property taxes. The two things all governments love, especially the more corrupt governments, is money and power. So they have devised a new strategy on the land ownership idea. You can buy the land and that land is legally and lawfully yours. However, you have to do exactly what the local, state, federal and the UN tells you to do.

The 2nd quote clarified that. You have to practice biodiversity on your land or else you lose it.

If you fail to pay property taxes you lose your land. If you fail obey some local, state or federal ordinance you potentially can lose your land.

I read about a man who, earlier this week, was fined by the state of California because he cut down some Joshua trees on his property so he could build a house. This was his privately owned land. Some how they made it to the endangered species list even though they have spread from mostly in around a Joshua Tree National Park to all over the Mojave desert and into Nevada, Utah and Arizona.

I am up in the air if the virus was engineered or not. I would not be surprised if it was. I don't think this virus came about by lack of sanitation. If that was the case then mankind would have died out centuries ago because we are infinitely more sanitary then we were centuries ago. I don't know if this virus was engineered for biological warfare or not. I don't know if it was engineered. I do believe it was intentionally released. I think it is part of the Great Reset.

As for the virus, it's a mutated virus related to things like H1N1. It's just more serious and more infectious.

The great reset deliberate release theory seems really, really out there. If it was, it would be either more deadly or more infectious. Better optimized. And even if they were trying to be covert about it, I really don't see why they couldn't just use their influence to push for it. It's a pretty convoluted strategy. Occam's razor is a good tool for stuff like this.

Actually when you see what happened then it is right in front of your eyes. What happened to businesses globally with this pandemic? For the most part they were shut down. People lost of their jobs, and their businesses. Small businesses were hit the hardest by the lock downs. Considering that 80% of all businesses in America are small business that is a disaster.

We would have collapsed if it wasn't for the Republican governors and Mayors opening businesses back up not too long after the entire nation was locked down.

Inflation is the highest it has been since 1979. The first thing Biden did was to come in and shut down the Keystone XL Pipeline, killing off 10's of thousands of jobs. Illegals are flooding our border in greater numbers than ever before. When they sign up for welfare there will just be no point in working because the government will have to take our entire paychecks. We are once again dependent on OPEC oil and because of that gasoline prices have skyrocketed.

And the left has so much hatred of Trump they just cannot see that he was our only hope at stopping the Great Reset. The powers in control were definitely not going to let Trump win re-election even though every poll out there had him leading by margins not seen since Reagan.

Sorry for all of this doom and gloom but take it how ever you want. If you believe me then good, you can plan for it. If you don't believe me then plan for it anyway. You saw how sparse the stores got when COVID first started in the US, if there is an economic collapse there will be no food left in the stores. If if you don't believe me and even if we don't have a collapse then any extra food that you stock away now just means you won't have to buy it in the future.

The vast majority of private land doesn't have endangered species in it. All they want is to make sure things don't go extinct. If I owned a huge swathe of land and there happened to be an endangered species somewhere in there, I'd gladly cooperate to make sure they were properly handled. But hey, I'm a treehugger. :P

And, coming from someone living in the Sonoran/Mojave area, yes, there are a *few* Joshua trees, maybe 20 that I've seen in a 20-mile radius, but the vast, vast majority are in the national park.

Say you discovered a historic relic like a safehouse from the revolutionary war. That's a historical site, so it stands to reason that should be protected. And there are laws protecting historical sites.

The habitat of an endangered species is much the same. We stand to lose something as a society if either are destroyed.

"f I owned a huge swathe of land and there happened to be an endangered species somewhere in there, I'd gladly cooperate to make sure they were properly handled."

I most likely would also. But if I am forced to then I will not. I don't have a problem with endangered species being on the list or protecting them. But that is something that we can volunteer to do. It is our choice. Once that choice is taken then I have a bigger problem.

My wife and I were just in Arizona about a month and a half ago, near Kingman. We were looking at some property that were considering for retirement. We found 40 acres in a Joshua tree forest. But we decided that we are not desert people and are going to look elsewhere.

"I feel like both sides are perpetuating division"

That's by design. The news media gets big ratings when there is strife. The politicians create a divide that makes sure that you always vote either Democrat or Republican and never any third party. It's all about "if you don't for X you get stuck with Y".

"From a liberal POV, it looks closer to a wave of protests for cultural equality,"

I actually think it is sort of like a pendulum. It was swinging towards the midpoint which is cultural equality but it has passed that point and is swinging back out to inequality. Critical Race Theory is racism against white people where as before it was racism against blacks. I think racism had mostly fizzled out in the 80's, 90's, 00's. But the pendulum started swinging passed the equity point when Obama was elected.

I have never seen so much hatred as there is now. But it is coming from the left, not the right. They hated Trump more than any Democrat has ever hated any other president. They call every conservative a racist, white supremacist, a Nazi and a fascist. Nothing could be further from the truth. Several people here on ImgFlip called me all of that. Conservatives have nothing to do with Nazis or fascists. We don't hate anyone based on skin color. Skin color is just an external feature like hair and eye color. It does not make a person think or act any different than eye or hair color does.

"I don't think any party want to turn the US into an authoritarian nightmare though."

It is already in motion and it is global, not just national. The UN first introduced their Agenda 21 (for the 21st century) and mapped out their plan that includes telling people where they can live and work. Then the UN introduced Agenda 2030 (as in the year Agenda 21 will be implemented). Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez introduced the Green New Deal, which is a reiteration of Agendas 21 and 2030.

Last year the World Economic Forum introduced their recommendation to the world called the Great Reset. The Great Reset's slogan is "Build Back Better". Many world leaders are showing their support for this by adopting this slogan, including Joe Biden who used it as his campaign slogan.

The Great Reset is a plan to collapse the world's economy, end capitalism and "Build Back Better" a global socialist utopia.

This all sounds like a conspiracy theory and a pretty wild one at that but everything I told you can be found on the UN's and the World Economic Forum's websites.

" But the pendulum started swinging passed the equity point when Obama was elected."

Eh, there's still plenty of racism against people of color out there. 20-30 years isn't gonna stop that. It's gotten better, but until people stop being taught hate, it's going to perpetuate. That said, I don't condone counter-racism, and if that's a problem, then yes, it should be fixed in a manner that is respectful and constructive.

"They hated Trump more than any Democrat has ever hated any other president. They call every conservative a racist, white supremacist, a Nazi and a fascist. Nothing could be further from the truth. Several people here on ImgFlip called me all of that. Conservatives have nothing to do with Nazis or fascists. We don't hate anyone based on skin color. Skin color is just an external feature like hair and eye color. It does not make a person think or act any different than eye or hair color does."

Mk, to address this, yes, liberals see Trump as a horrible president, and I see their concerns. He's untactful, he seems incredibly selfish, and he's made quite a few questionable decisions. There has absolutely been hate on both sides, and he didn't do much to try to fix it. The liberals that call conservatives nazis, racists, supremacists, or facists tend to be, just like the conservatives that are openly racist, a very vocal minority that the rest of their community would like to calm the heck down.

Racism will never go away. All races have people who hate other races. It is just a failing of our human nature. Racism is not a political thing. It is not Republican and it is not Democrat. It is not right nor is it left or any other direction. That is why the KKK and the Neo-Nazis all used to be 100% Democrat and then for reasons only known to Klansmen and Neo-Nazis they all en masse joined the Republican party.

There was a Pew study that I heard about a few years ago but have never been able to find it again. They found that in the 5 political categories of Far Left, Left, Centrist, Right and Far Right that all categories had roughly the same percentage of racists in each group except for one. All categories except for Far Left have about 7% who are racists. The far left is about 20% racist.

Racism isn't the problem. The problem is loss of freedom. You can call me racial slurs all day long and it won't do a thing to me. Because they are just words. But if you take my freedom then I will fight to get it back.

"Mk, to address this, yes, liberals see Trump as a horrible president, and I see their concerns. He's untactful, he seems incredibly selfish, and he's made quite a few questionable decisions."

I completely agree with this. Trump is not my favorite president. I didn't vote for him in 2016 but I did in 2020. Despite his failings he helped boost the economy from the wreck that Obama left it in. He did get us off of our foreign oil dependency (Joe Biden put us right back being subject to the whims of OPEC). There were some things I didn't like about him.

He insulted the news media a lot but they deserve it. They have been lying to us for decades. They have been crafting a narrative instead of reporting the news. They are despicable.

Trump certainly did not deserve the level of hatred the left had sunk to.

Sarcasm duly noted, but given that you're a lib, I'm sure you mean to imply that conservatives actually want that. Hardly true.

But they should not be allowed to represent the country at the Olympics, and one wonders why they would want to in the first place given how "oppressed" they feel they are. Such a terrible country of racism and oppression- and yet people are willing to break the law and risk their lives in order to get in.

Hush, Stan.

Because we have a right to freedom of expression. This isn't Communist China.

You SHOULD be proud of your country, but it is your right not to be.

exactly. If i chose to kneel, sit or shit, it is MY FREEDOM to do what I want. Telling me what i WILL DO is oppression.

Now, that's balanced by the fact that certain situations require higher levels of decorum and responsibility. A society in which everyone is a slave to their passions is nothing but anarchy, a time Hobbes called, "nasty, brutish, and short".

The state serves the people, but the people then must respect the state. That is true freedom, because it ensures everyone enjoys the right to do what they want and not be oppressed by others.

You can do whatever you want to, generally speaking, and those responsible to decide on who gets to represent us at the Olympics have that same freedom . . .

And it is my freedom to turn My back on you whenever you compete and complain that you are competing for a country you hate.