it's okay to be white

No. Until given compelling evidence otherwise, I will hold this man to the same standard that I hold everyone - play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That is how consistency works.

I could care less about skin color - criminals put their own lives at risk when they choose to engage in criminal behavior.

I surprisingly, am not that upset when people doing criminal acts get hurt.

No. I do think that continuing to refuse compliance with instructions from law enforcement and/or choosing to engage in illegal activity significantly limits any realistic expectation that others will go out of their way to ensure your health and wellbeing remain intact.

You strike me as one of those folks who think it's okay for a burglar to sue the homeowner after he cuts himself on the window he broke to get in.

Bad assumption.

So was yours, but here we are.

Not really?

"Until given compelling evidence otherwise, I will hold this man to the same standard that I hold everyone - play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Is literally saying "guilty until proven innocent."

No it isn't. It's saying if a person chooses to live that way - he (and I) are ok if that person gets shot by a cop.

This cop didn't stop and say ”i am the law, you're guilty, I'm going to shoot you and end your life". No the cop did his job, provided instruction the person didn't listen to, and received the ass end of the situation.

Live what way? What crime was committed? Do you know what happened? To my knowledge of the incident is that the police have not been forthcoming with the details and have said there has been a lot of erroneous information. Personally, I’m waiting for information but you have already formed an opinion.

And I suspect you haven’t read much into the actual incident but made an assortment of assumptions.

The crime of not listening to a police officers commands. Normal people listen to police - full of themselves and acting like they don't need to follow the commands of an officer of the law type people .... Are idiots and deserve whatever happens in those situations.

Stop acting like criminals aren't criminals for the sake of your social justice cause you low life scumbag.

I would hardly call myself a social justice warrior.

Just educated, unlike some.

I highly recommend you do the same.

You'd be less frustrated and needing to vent your frustrations online within your petty echo chamber.

Maybe then we can actually accomplish something instead of making up claims being in a police state.

Also don't take any of this personally it's a role I play on the site is all. Take everything I say with a grain of salt and as if it were a pod cast thing or something.

Hmmm. Complying with police results in a 99.999999% survivability model. Not complying with police leads to a 99.987524% of survivability.

Mostly survivable - but sometimes people get shot because they didn't comply.

Seems the law of mortality says one should listen to the police and do as they say. Criminals like to not do that and sometimes get shot. I'm ok with that.

No. Those are not the same. Guilty until proven innocent would imply that cops simply rove about the city shooting people at will on a whim. Which is abject fiction that simply is not the case anywhere in America right now.

Go clutch your pearls at somebody else.

Not necessarily. I'm not talking about a cop's perspective but rather yours. Maybe you're the kind of person that trusts all cops 100% of the time because none of them make mistakes or abuse their power but I'm afraid that too is abject fiction. I'm just asking you to consider that maybe you don't have all the facts. Refusing to comply with a police officer and obeying the law are not the same thing. Any lawyer would tell you that. Nor should refusing to comply with a police officer always lead to death by cop. Any decent person would tell you that.

You're right here, just not how you think you are right. - the law states an individual must comply with Police Commands.

Refusing to comply with an officer is ignoring the law. Obeying the law is the exact opposite of this. So yes, you finally got it right. Criminals should obey laws too.

Um, no. Unless a police officer is arresting you, then you do not have to comply. Learn your rights.

Let's walk through an example here. Let's say you're driving on a public street. You can choose to obey the speed limit, or you can choose to believe that you know better than the traffic law - the limit is too slow, you know your vehicle's abilities, you know your own capabilities, you're wanting to feel your oats, you're in a hurry... whatever your rationale, you decide to break the law and speed.

Let's say a police officer sees you and attempts to pull you over. His method of knowing you're speeding are unknown - radar, pacing, a WAG... regardless, he's now following you with lights and sirens.

Now, you don't like this. Compound your rationale above, and you decide to ignore this police instruction to pull over. You're now breaking multiple laws. Continue to refuse compliance, and eventually you're going to have multiple police working to stop you. Let's say one puts out a spike strip, causing you to lose control, plow into a tree and die.

Your argument in this thread is that this tragic outcome is the police officer's fault. I am saying that it is not.

I’ve never said it was the officers fault. I’ve simply said the following.

1. People are innocent until proven guilty.

2. Law enforcement are not infallible.

3. Not every person a cop stops is a criminal.

4. Obeying the law and police compliance are not the same thing.

The problem with your example is you assume I would break the law. It completely supports my theory that you believe everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

Let's walk YOU through anther example here. Let’s say you’re driving around and to the best of your knowledge you are not speeding because you’re a law abiding citizen like you like to think you are. Yet, you see police lights because you have, perhaps unknowingly, broken a traffic law.

Now, both me and you would likely pull over. I’d likely comply to a point until the officer asks me to step out of my vehicle. If the officer has failed to inform me of what I’ve done and his insistence of my compliance escalates, I’m pulling out my keys and locking the car until I’ve been informed if I’m being detained or free to go.

Now you, on the other hand would likely do anything the cop tells you. You’d give him your name, number, address, tell him what you’re doing, where you’re headed, your wife or mother’s maiden name, your social security, your first born child, your wallet, your money, hop on one leg, dance like a monkey, or suck his dick.

Personally, I just don’t think I have to comply to every command. Yes, one should exercise common sense but that doesn’t mean every officer you’re going to run into will be reasonable or have your well-being as a top priority.

How do we know? What are the details?

It will now never be investigated beyond the scope of whether the officer’s actions were warranted.

No. Criminals choose criminal life. Criminal life can have you shot by the following (in higher percentage chances than non criminals): Other Criminals, Home or Property owners protecting themselves, and by police.

We have plenty of video games (saints row, GTA5), movies and television, news reports, newspaper reports, word of mouth, religious figures, and government officials that ALLLLLL spell out what criminal life does to an individual.

So when a person chooses the criminal life - they are choosing a path that can and does lead to being shot. Instead of getting a job at a factory - or some other form of legal money making - they choose the tax free form of income that destroys lives. If they are willing to go into that life style - I'm willing to not care when a cop shoots them. Regardless of their color.

No, a cop doesn’t get to shoot people dead for simply breaking a law.

They have to be armed with a weapon, including a car, or otherwise pose a threat.

Uh huh and when you're in a situation as a cop and someone isn't listening to you (especially when BLM burns down police stations) - that's called a threatening situation. Because that entire situation can escalate out of a police officers control - to where people get shot occasionally.

That person can have a knife, a gun, can be a martial arts MMA fighter, can have a bomb trigger on them, could have a make shift shiv on them, and could have just called in 10 other people to beat that cops ass in public.

When I as an authority figure give a command and someone doesn't listen to it - that person is being combative. That situation can lead into many.

Stop trying to protect criminals idiot and start acting like a respectful person and start supporting police. Commie scum.

No, not listening is not the same thing as being combative. You sound just as ridiculous as a liberal with their “Silence is violence,” nonsense. Stop projecting me into your commie boogeyman. I’m not saying cops should never shoot anyone ever. I’m not saying cops should never shoot people not in possession of a gun.

If I’m saying anything, I’m saying not every situation requires a cop to shoot or otherwise escalate a situation that results in a noncomplying suspect ending up dead. And that that must be accessed on an individual basis without assumptions that cop is guilty or that suspect deserves it because they were a criminal.

If you cannot understand that then you are at best being intentionally and irrationally argumentative or at worst you are incredibly gullible and overly trusting of authority figures. Or, at least, people in uniform.

Is it the uniform? You don’t trust trust politicians, lawyers, or anyone else in a position of authority but if they wear a uniform or their job carries a significant risk where they can be killed then you think you can trust that individual unquestioningly? That is mind-boggingly stupid.

There is nothing wrong with trusting people in authority to a point, which is what I’m arguing, but just because I’m asking questions doesn’t mean I’m disrespectful or non-supportive. It is very telling that your perspective of defending your unreasonable generalizations have nothing to do with individual responsibility if you must lump everyone into either one category or another. People are complex creatures rather than the one dimensional characters you’re been exposed to in whatever media you consume.

I understand your frustrations, however. It is just so much easier to assume that cops are infallible and that every person shot by a cop deserved it however, in the real world, that is just not how things work.

Dude... Remember it's just a role in here lol