Racism is racism, no matter what the color of the skin the racist happens to be. I don't have to feel guilty for being white.

Okay, racist. Whatever you say.

See?

It's not your fault. You're not to blame. You don't have to admit to being the benefactor of a racist system, and more importantly, you don't have to change.

That's why you say you don't feel guilty about being white. That's why you point at everyone else and tell them you're racist.

You're thinking that American privilege is raced-based, and not nation-based. That's where you are in error and why you are a racist.

The reason "why" as to why white people should never feel guilty for slavery, 1) whites were the first recorded slaves 2) blacks sold other blacks 3) English Empire benefited from slavery, the settlers did not. The settlers could not sell their cotton that their own family picked, because slave-labor the English were able to profit from slave-labor.

The only people that really should be feeling guilty about slavery is English Empire and Africans that sold themselves.

Slavery was never popular, bigot.

These people seem to think that even in those days everyone who was white owned a slave or the vast majority did. The vast majority of people did not believe in slavery and thought it was wrong. Only the wealthy owned slaves. 1) Most were against it. 2) It was very expensive to own just one, let alone multiple. 3) There was an entire bloody war that was fought because the majority hated it.

These leftist assholes will never admit they're wrong, because they truly know nothing about actual history.

"Wow. Sure seems like it was."
Yeah sure buddy, people that rebelled against their kings/queens to come here for freedom were all about that slavery. /s

As I said, slavery was not popular. Do you even know the numbers? 1.4% owned slaves in the North, 5.8% in the South.

95% being against owning any slaves, means slavery is not a popular trend.

The war was over State's Rights, and it has a lot more to do with Federal government over-reach than it does about one issue, slavery, which again, was not popular. It was a scapegoat issue to cause war here in the states.

You don't know what you're talking about because you still haven't unlearned what you've been brainwashed to believe from elementary school. Still holding onto that Hearst Publishing Corporation textbook cultism.

Every founding father with a red dot over their face in this painting owned slaves.

Ben Franklin owned slaves. His newspaper ran adds for the sale and purchase of slaves.

John Hancock owned slaves. So did George Washington. And Thomas Jefferson.

It's mentioned in the Constitution on how to count slaves when figuring out the population in the census.

The Civil War was fought over state rights... to own slaves. I refer you to the Corner Stone speech and to several of the declarations of session that specifically say slavery as the primary reason why they wanted to separate from the United States.

Learn real history from primary sources. Not the KKK school you went to.

God you're stupid.

"The Civil War was fought over state rights... to own slaves." --- No, it wasn't, I just got through proving the reasons why it's not about slavery, but about State's Rights. Slavery was a scapegoat issue, to push for war, so that there would be more power in Washington and less power in the States as nations of their own.

"I refer you to the Corner Stone speech and to several of the declarations of session that specifically say slavery as the primary reason why they wanted to separate from the United States." -- And I referred to those already as SCAPEGOATS, and controlled opposition to Nation-States. Some speeches written by traitors working for the monarchies at the time, I might add.

Who benefited from Civil War? English Empire. Slavery was a COVER story, excuses to go to war. There was NO need, slavery was on it's way out!

No. The Civil War was straight up about owning slaves. 100%.

No. You apparently do not understand the word scapegoat.

THANK GOD!!!!!

What a load of crap. America benefitted from the contribution of all its citizens. Stop blaming white people for what you lack.

Stop acting like you're oppressed

Stop acting like you are

I already know it whistle. Your twisted revisionist hate America history is a load of crap. You are a simpleton parroting Marxist propaganda.

You get your "history" from Hearst Publishing Corporation textbooks, and you haven't spent even an hour outside of elementary school to learn anything about history, outside of TV and Hearst-textbooks.

You believe their bullshit, so yea, in your mind, it's all about the Hearst, because you've allowed them to control your mind for so long.

You probably believe that all white people are inherently racist. If you believe that utter bullcrap then YOU are the brainwashed one.

You should learn EXACTLY which INDIVIDUAL did what with whom, not blame any race you racist NWO-psycho!

See? You're proving my point. You're going a long long way to show that the battle is already won and you are very very blameless (and are a victim of it too!!!).

See? No. You need to see, that blaming all white people for what Rockefeller, Dupont, Hearst, did, is bullshit.

I'm no victim, you're a victim of brainwashing, f**k all the way off this planet already.

Instead of learning who exactly it is to blame, you are still here preaching racism against white people, like the stupid piece of shit that you are.

Blacks sold blacks into slavery. Checkmate, brah.
Whites were the first slaves, that's where the word comes from Slav meaning Slave, meaning person of eastern Europe traded as a Slave. Africa and Middle-East, loved to enslave and rape to death, white women.

You racist POS, you're denying history, denying science, and you are a scared little racist that is angry that we found out public schools are lying to children.

"It seems that you're suggesting that the practice of slavery (and thus the origin of the word) started with Non-Europeans snatching Slavic people." --- It's historical record that whites were the first known, recorded-history.

Check and mate brah.

Wow. You need to stop going to KKK school.

Northern Europeans were not the first slaves recorded in History. The first recorded used of slavery comes from Mesopotamia. Specifically the reign of Idrmi of Alalakh. In the cuniform tablet the talks about how he took trade goods and slaves from seven Hittite towns.

So you think the Hittite's were northern Europeans?

"You need to stop going to KKK school." --- So you're calling public schools, "KKK school".

Public schools ran by Democrats, you call them KKK schools. Ironically accurate.

So you assume that public schools are "KKK school" ? What makes you think that everything I know, was learned in schools?

Are you incapable of learning/reading unless you're in a classroom?

"Northern Europeans were not the first slaves recorded in History." --- Yes they were, look at the origin of the word Slav. I proven this already, but you still comment bullshit.

"The first recorded used of slavery comes from Mesopotamia." --- HAHA yes they were WHITE slaves. Unless you can prove they're all non-white, what color were the slaves?

"The first recorded used of slavery comes from Mesopotamia. Specifically the reign of Idrmi of Alalakh. In the cuniform tablet the talks about how he took trade goods and slaves from seven Hittite towns." --- So you're admitting that white people didn't invent slavery and if other cultures allowed slavery, then why are you on this thread, bitching like a c**t about "whites are slave owners" bullshit lies?

The KKK school is a dig at the people who taught you this BS and that you have internalized as truth. Another example of "White People Are The Real Victims Here" thinking typical from conservatives.

White people were not the first slaves. Pointing to the origins of a word in modern english is not evidence of this. Because slavery pre-dates English and the Slavic tribes by 1,000's of years.

We know this because, as I told you before, people wrote it down. The earliest comes from 1480 BC in a cuniform tablet. (which is notably not english).

And it's in the Bible (again, a thing people wrote down). Hagar was Sara's slave. Hagar didn't come from the Slavic tribes.

The slaves the ancient Egyptians kept didn't come from the Slavic tribes. (I know this because they wrote it down, and archeologists found the writing and translated it).

The Hittites were not Slavic.

"White people were not the first slaves." --- Proof? You don't. The historical records, show white people as slaves all throughout history, dating back hundreds, and even to the thousands of years.

You're just a sorry loser that can't take an L. You think your Hearst-brainwashing has any merit here.

So knowing the white people were also slaves, is boo-hoo victim status?

Do you see me demanding any reparations? Or saying that I was oppressed by a particular person when I've never been a slave in my life?

How do you know if white people were not the first slaves? You evaded answering my question, what color(s) were the Ama-gi?

"Pointing to the origins of a word in modern english is not evidence of this. Because slavery pre-dates English and the Slavic tribes by 1,000's of years." --- Incorrect. I said that white people were slaves, I also said the first known historical record of slaves, meaning in modern writings that don't have to be translated from ancient texts that pre-dates Ancient Egypt, which ALSO had its fair share of white slaves, I might add. And you go back further you'll still see more of what? White slaves.

Do I need to show you Ancient Egyptian white-slavery for you to understand that whites were slaves in history? There's prior records, just needs more translating.

Bible isn't real. I'm talking about historical record, and you bring up the bible. What a joke.

LOL you think that Ancient Egyptians didn't use Slavic tribes' women, men, and children for sex and labor?

Bro bro bro... you need to catch up to even 2004. You are illiterate.

https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/

You need to do more thinking with your reading, and comprehend more, so read slower, so you understand what you're reading. You're so hyped up on communist bullshit that you can't calm down and realize you've been lied to and that you must now unlearn everything, question everything you've said here on this page, and then learn on your own. Start with that link.

Yes. White people have been used as slaves. This is an unassailable fact.

But you said, quote, "The reason "why" as to why white people should never feel guilty for slavery, 1) whites were the first recorded slaves"

What evidence do you have that shows white people were the first slaves?

You said that the modern English word slave is proof of this. The modern English word is not evidence of this.

What evidence do you have?

You have produced 0 evidence. None. Not an iota of it.

Quote: "Do I need to show you Ancient Egyptian white-slavery for you to understand that whites were slaves in history? There's prior records, just needs more translating."

Yes. Show me. And if they haven't been translated yet, how do you know about them and how can you read them?

Yes, I agree, the bible is made-up nonsense.

This doesn't make any sense AT ALL quote: "I also said the first known historical record of slaves, meaning in modern writings that don't have to be translated from ancient texts that pre-dates Ancient Egypt,"

Show them to me. Show me the historical documents in modern English that predate Ancient Egypt.

YOu did say white people were the first recorded slaves. And how can a historical record not be needed to be translated into modern English? That doesn't make any sense. For it to be readable by us, someone will have to have translated the ancient writing into modern English.

From your link, the very first sentence: A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780.

So...nothing to do with the first people taken into slavery. Absolutely nothing.

And that link is 100% white victimhood. It seeks to minimize the oppression and subjugation of Black Americans throughout history by saying "gee, yeah,t hat was bad. But those white people over there suffered too. So. You don't hear us complaining about it."

Yeah. Cause it didn't happen to you or your ancestors here in the States and it didn't keep happening.

Ama-giri were not a people. Not a tribe. Not anything other than a word tattooed on people after the people of UR decided they weren't slaves anymore.

A word.

You have no evidence that "white people were the first slaves."

Stop making the claim.

"But you said, quote, "The reason "why" as to why white people should never feel guilty for slavery, 1) whites were the first recorded slaves"

What evidence do you have that shows white people were the first slaves?"

Look at you, you can't even keep a lie straight for 2 minutes.
Try again strawman

"Also that can't be true because the word slave didn't see common usage until 1290. We know that slavery as a concept predates that because of a bunch of sources. Like slave contracts in Ancient China."

What can't be true? You are using platitudes and it's useless tool of a troll like you. Who is saying that Slav(Slave) wasn't "commonly" used until 1290? LOL

Yes. This may come as a surprise to you, but there's this whole job were people research where words come from and when they entered common usage.

There's this whole thing about proto Indo-European languages. It's incredibly interesting.

You should spend some time and learn about it.

Although it will crush your ethno-centric supremacists ideas about Europeans.

"Yes. This may come as a surprise to you, but there's this whole job were people research where words come from and when they entered common usage." --- Yes, and you're not them, so don't pretend you know about words, when you don't know any of this off-hand.

"There's this whole thing about proto Indo-European languages. It's incredibly interesting.

You should spend some time and learn about it."

Mother f**ker, you better spend time to LEARN history again, because your shit lies are dumb.

You're right, I am not an Etymologist.

But they write down the stuff they find and, more importantly, write down where they found it.

And when they say the first use of the word slave occurs in 1290, I'm going with it. Because if there was an earlier reference to the English word slave another etymologist would point out they found an earlier reference.

Just because you want to believe the Slavic people were the first slaves doesn't mean that's what happened.

Facts, buddy, not your feelings.

You said it yourself that other languages have their own word for slaves. Did you prove they were not white slaves, prior to 1290? Nope? K..
Facts, not your Fraud-Hearst-History.

Not willing to admit you were wrong, huh?

If the Hittites were a thing today, we would call them Arabs. And you know it.

Not the Slavs from Northern Europe.

But you won't admit you believe a lie. Because that lie makes you feel good.

Tell us, what color were the Ama-gi?

Ama-gi is a word.

Specifically, from the third dynasty in Ur.

So. It would be whatever color tablet you had the word inscribed on.

I know it's a word, answer the question.

I did. But I bet you think you've got a "hah! gotcha!" question with this, don't you?

It's a word. So it can be whatever color you want it to be.

Now, if you want to claim that Ama-gi were a people, specifically the Slavs?

Because that's laughable.

Because the word is from the 3rd dynasty in UR, and it means freedom. The 3rd dynasty is smack in the middle of the Bronze age. Over 4,000 years ago!

Are you suggesting that the bronze-age people of the city of UR walked over 2,000 miles, which would require them to cross the Turkish Straits (a monumental feat back then) and all the controlled lands between there. Met with the Slavs and said, "HEY! I got a great idea. Let's snatch all these fools. They look like they can work. Then we drag them ALL THE WAY BACK HOME. And then we'll make them...what do you call it? People we force to work but don't pay? well, we'll turn them into those poeple. And if we let them go, we'll tattoo some shit on them like the word freedom or something?"

Instead of doing the same thing but with the people who lived on the other side of that hill over there. Because the 2nd way is a lot cheaper.

Despicable and vile but a lot easier and costs way fewer resources.

"A basic internet search shows us this isn't true." -- Excuse me, what specific search are you saying shows us that WHAT isn't true?

"Different languages have very different words for slaves and slavery." -- Different words for slavery doesn't dispute whites being first recorded slaves.

Oranges still grow on orange trees, even if you call them Lemons.

"But that can't be true. Because if it were, the word for slave would be the same or very close to the same in all those different languages."

It is true. You have no proof that the world slave would be the same in other languages, you did not author those languages or live in those times.

What does the word pajamas mean to you?

Clothing you sleep in, right? This could be a shirt/pants set. Maybe a really big comfy shirt. Or maybe just a pair of shorts.

But it has a specific meaning for English speakers; clothing we wear when we go to bed.

But where did that word come from?

Well, we happen to know. It comes from when the British invaded and controlled India. They wore these loose comfy pants drawn at the waist with a cord or string. So it's probably a Hindu word?

Nope. It's older than that. It's a Persian word. It's originally paejamah. And it means pants.

And we know that it entered the English language in the 1800's because the East India Company started selling this new thing for men to lounge around in called...pajamas.

And people weren't using that word before because no one wrote it down.

And that's how we can tell that the word slave coming from the Slavs wasn't the first time slavery happened. Because other words for slave existed well before 1290.

"And that's how we can tell that the word slave coming from the Slavs wasn't the first time slavery happened. Because other words for slave existed well before 1290."

My whole point is that whites were the first recorded slaves, I proved my point with Slav meaning Eastern Europe(White), was in reference to whites being slaves and enslaved by Africans and Middle-eastern.

I never said they used the word Slav- in ALL other languages, I made no such argument, you're wasting my time with your strawman arguments.

Yes, other languages have different words for slave, DUH, that wasn't being argued.

"And people weren't using that word before because no one wrote it down."

Yeah, humans didn't use words until they were written down... /s

You're trash, you're brain dead, you'll imagine things instead of address what is factually present.

We know Ama-gi is a word. Now answer the question. Tell us, what color were the Ama-gi? Tell us who were all of the Ama-gi, any of them white?

Course you'll coward away from answering the question, instead you'll strawman about the word itself while ignoring the question with the word.

You probably have no idea that Hearst, Dupont, Rockefeller, and Morgan, helped outlaw hemp, which then they could sell their cheap-labor cotton in the 20th century, after slavery ended. You still don't know a damn thing that's not written in your Hearst-textbook or spoken on MSM-entertainment.

You're wrong. I did know that.

Doubt. You never spoke about it. So no, you did not ever take it into consideration, because you're still thinking the Civil War was about "slavery" you dick, it's about monopolization of America through centralized controls(Federal).

"When you learn history - real history, not the propaganda they teach children" --- Bro, you described yourself, you're still using Hearst Publishing Corporation lies.

"white people have benefited from forced labor from oppressed groups since before the founding of the country"

Yes, I was born in a white family that considered living in the trailer park as doing pretty well. My dad thought that if he was working six months out of the year that was aight too, as long as he could get welfare and food stamps the rest of the year.

I joined the Marine Corps as soon as I graduated high school and never looked back. Thank God.

Yes, all us white people really benefitted across the board, for sure.

No one has said your life wasn't hard.

No one has said you haven't struggled.

My father was an alcoholic. He routinely spent the money on gin rather than paying the bills. As a child, I learned out to live without power or running water.

I too joined the service. The Army for me. I too have never looked back. I currently am a small business (I employ a virtual assistant, she lives in California I live in Texas, and an accountant. He lives down the street from me). I make enough that my wife can stay home to raise our 2 kids.

If you would like to read some science on how white people economically benefit from slavery to this day, you can read here: https://academic.oup.com/socpro/article-abstract/67/2/304/5522935?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Facts, Abby. Not your feelings.

Not ashamed to be white. Sorry that you are.

Hm. It's interesting that you apply feelings of guilt towards a discussion about how white people have benefited economically from slavery to this day.

Says a lot about you.

You should spend some time in thought about it.

Read it again, Einstein, I'm NOT ashamed (or guilty). Not proud either. I just am.

White. Born that way. Not priveleged. American. We all have the same opportunities in life in this country, what we do with them is what makes us winners or losers. Yes, there are losers in life, like it or not.

Can't be talked into it or out of it. Realize & recognize.

To be born white is to be privileged.

We do not all have the same opportunities in this country.

Here's a nice article that lays out some points and has some further reading for you at the end.

https://www.ucf.edu/news/waking-up-to-whiteness-and-white-privilege/

In theory, yes, we are all born with equal opportunity.

Obviously, that's not true in practice. My kids don't have the same opportunities as say, Will Smith or Kobe Bryant's kids. Then again, they won't die in a helicopter crash, which is nice.

Bro, you're generalizing as if all white people benefited from 5% of the wealthy English executive officers selling their slave-produced cotton at a lower price than the other 95% American settlers that were against slavery, and picked their own cotton.

As I stated before you don't f**king realize that Hearst, Dupont, Rockefeller, Warburg, English Empire, was getting the majority of the benefits of those slave-goods, that hurt Americans(that were trying to sell their goods), slavery did not help Americans. You piece of shit.

You should've comprehended this above, on this page, a few days ago, you little shit!

Why are you trad and capitalist, but you don't know that white people were also slaves?

I've never said white people weren't used as slaves.

What I have repeatedly said is that there is no evidence that white people were the first slaves.

Which is a claim you have made several times.

There is no evidence to prove your claim. The modern English word slave coming from the Slavic people is not evidence that the first slaves were white people.

"What I have repeatedly said is that there is no evidence that white people were the first slaves."

But you haven't proved that they weren't the first slaves, but I've prove they're the first recorded slaves.

So.. I win.

"Which is a claim you have made several times."
You little lying strawman bitch.

Try to argue against what I actually said, first recorded slaves in historical record, white, prove me wrong, you lying bitch.

"There is no evidence to prove your claim."

Except I proved my actual point that you strawman again. What I actually said, first recorded slaves in historical record, white, prove me wrong, you lying bitch.

Except, you're making a false claim that I said that whites were the first slaves, I said first slaves historically recorded.

You have yet to proved SHIT for your case.

What documentation from history have you shown?

So far you've said "we get the word slave from the Slavs."

And some crap from Ohio State about how slave trade was pretty brutal back in the day.

That's it.

What evidence do you have that white people were the first slaves in recorded history?

Are either of your employees POC?

I don't consider them to be my employees, they feel more like contractors and I am their customer.

Yeah, it's weird but whatevs.

But to your point- the accountant isn't.

But my VA is. Or at least her headshot from the service is. I've never video chatted with her. Her profile picture is a woman of latinx descent.

You realize that you're oppressing them, don't you? You should make them partners in the name of equity.