You have to wonder exactly what the government means by "safe enough"

You mean like Obama and Biden did with their H1N1 epidemic while fanatically leftist loyal media outlets looked the other way?

Exactly!

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They do?

In some cases more deaths than covid.

There have been 3.5 million deaths from the covid vaccine?

They are revising covid death numbers as we speak. Its way lower than that. Closer to 5% of it. Several locations have reported more deaths from the vaccine than from the virus.

It's a mere 96% survival rate, but I'll take the risk.

167 million doses given, and health officials "SAY" they don't think that VERY FEW people died from the vaccine, but still, compared to over HALF A MILLION deaths from the actual virus, I think the vaccine is safer than the virus.

I love made up stuff too.

We know Stan.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-06-08-analysis-covid-vaccine-deaths-2-democrats-for-every-1-republican.html

"Don't know anything about the INM, but I do know that the type of thinking that dictates "correlation doesn't mean causation" always leads people down the path of blindness,"
- Only if you don't know what it means, and how to check if the claim is valid. The way you check this , is by looking at the claim the opposition makes and see if there are any other variables which might explain the theory their claim states. In your case, You're trying to tie the vaccines to increased heart complications in athletes. You assert that this is true within your claim and without backing up the data go on to talk about how it's a conspiracy by the US government and the FDA and any other multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical company that could profit from creating vaccines for a pandemic they allegedly manufactured*? (Not sure if you stated this claim, but I've heard it before.) Just to fill their pockets? THe latter may be true, but that's not the premise of your claim. The premise of your claim is that the vaccines are hurting people.

What else can cause them to be hurting?

Reports and testimony from innumerable sources have described what could be called "Long CoViD" What I would describe as a scarring that the virus does to you through the damage caused the fluid buildup in your lungs. I do believe that cardiovascular issues were reported as well. I'm not 100% on that. However, the lungs and the heart are tied pretty close together (literally) if something messes up at one point, the other is usually prone to failures as well. We call those co-morbidities.

Is that the reason? Unsure. But it's plausible. I would say moreso than your claim, but who's to say?

More to the point correlation is when one set of data is parallel to another and you assert that those two occurrences are related, they *could* be. However, asserting one exists as an effect of the other is another claim entirely and much harder to prove.

With that I correct your error:

The time between the Pandemic CoViD-19 and the release of the the vaccine was less than a year. Extreme measures were taken to house people and quarantine them from a present virus whos contagion factor was unclear for many months. Coupled with multiple waves of outbreaks, there were a myriad of reports ranging in magnitude of severity. Many died, many others had reports of long CoViD, Systems affected by Covid are primarily respiratory, but circulatory systems are often noted in tandem with this virus or its after -

- effect. Further, once a vaccine was developed in an emergency approval by the FDA which still requires rigorous testing before releasing the vaccine by way of emergency approval. There was a set of individuals on the onset who experienced some heart complications 800 died in the first few months. As time would trail on, more would die, with only a handful of that data set to be able to prove that the cause of symptoms was a result of the vaccine. With exception to the polio vaccine which would cause paralysis at a rate of ONE in 2.4 MILLION, no other vaccine had lasting side effects. Given, that both the virus and the vaccine are reported to have pulmonary/circulatory complications it is hard to say for sure which is cause the issue. However, most participants of the vaccine to an extreme majority greater than 99% report no issues after six months. This is a rate greater than the lethality of the virus itself.

Source?

For which part?

How about almost the entire paragraph lol. I can tell its not your writing.

Which paragraph of the two replies? The last one?

What part of the paragraph do you need to be substantiated by sources?

It is my voice, however, I did borrow data from the source. Do you honestly care about sources? Or are you just looking to poke holes in the source? I'd rather not waste our time arguing over a source if it can be helped. I'd rather not deal with someone who employs a cynical level of the genetic fallacy.

Im looking for sources, I asked for one.

"Further, once a vaccine was developed in an emergency approval by the FDA which still requires rigorous testing before releasing the vaccine by way of emergency approval. There was a set of individuals on the onset who experienced some heart complications 800 died in the first few months. As time would trail on, more would die, with only a handful of that data set to be able to prove that the cause of symptoms was a result of the vaccine. With exception to the polio vaccine which would cause paralysis at a rate of ONE in 2.4 MILLION, no other vaccine had lasting side effects. Given, that both the virus and the vaccine are reported to have pulmonary/circulatory complications it is hard to say for sure which is cause the issue. However, most participants of the vaccine to an extreme majority greater than 99% report no issues after six months. This is a rate greater than the lethality of the virus itself."

source please

There's three in that passage.

Okay, so cite them.

Will do tonight, I'm mobile atm.

"it's a revolving door for all government officials...yeah for any industry though. So, in the pharma industry, all the government officials who, you know, REVIEW OUR DRUGS EVENTUALLY COME WORK FOR PHARMA COMPANIES. And the military - all the army and defense government officials eventually go work for the defense companies afterwards."

lol you dont think theres any correlation. Thats hilarious. its right in front of you, and you just don't WANT to see it. Tak the Project Vertiats PFizer video. Have you seen that?

How does long covid effect athletes? Have you seen the videos of them dropping dead?

No, but when you have hundreds of these stories, at least two every week, and more and more distrust building from all these companies and administrations are doing, of course we can tell whats actually happening.

In the Project Veritas vid you mentioned, the interviewee, who is quoted as a Pfizer employee, says there are ongoing discussions about engineering "mutations" of COVID so that preemptive vaccines, for variants that may occur in nature, could be developed.

However, the discussions are spoken about in theoretical terms, not active or literal.

While Project Veritas' James O'Keefe claims that the interviewee moves on to talk about these experiments as if they are ongoing, there is not enough information in the film to be certain whether he is talking about theoretical experiments or other preliminary research, or if these directly involve or are related to COVID. So, I'd say you're jumping to conclusions there, again -- conjecture. Nevermind the fact that the video had a large amount of cuts/edits.

Pfizer has yet to comment. So... You've got one manufacturer who you think *might* be up to something but no proof. There's plenty of other vaccines.

Also, pre-CoViD -- cardiac arrest was not unheard of during sports. You said, two a week? That's about 104 deaths right? Seems right on par for this study that tracks cardiac arrest in sports players in 2016...

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2016/06/28/07/06/sports-participation-and-sudden-cardiac-arrest

I smell anti-vaxxer confirmation bias... And it reeks.

Bro, theoretical? Your judging the information based off his voice?
"Pfizer is ultimately thinking about mutating covid?"

PFIZER DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH AND DEV:
"Well, that's not what we say to the public. No"
"Don't tell anyone this btw. You promise you won't tell anyone?"
"We're exploring, yknow how like how the virus keeps on mutating?
-well one of the things we're exploring is like, why don't we just mutate it ourselves so we could - we would create - preemptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we HAVE to do that. If we're gonna do that though, there's a risk of like - as you could imagine no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating f***ing viruses."

Bro, if you can't just read the damn words and comprehend their meaning, I literally can't do anything else. It's freaking video evidence and text evidence.

Wait wait wait. You can just discard key evidence like that! Just because it was seen in a linear fashion and we don't know how linear the conversation was, doesn't mean you can't draw any conclusions. Words in sentences only work together so well, meaning that the content of their conversation was very fluid, and even the sections that were cut contained more than enough information to endite Pfizer.

What are you expecting? Pfizer to just say: "Yeah its true :( sorry guys! Hope you're not too mad!" No, they're gonna cover their azz'z.

When did I say anything about two a week?

*smh this was from 2016. My guy, this kind of random death didn't happen until 2021. It just doesn't happen. And you know it. Stop scrambling for sources to logic your way out of this massively coordinated coincidence.

On one hand, you chastise me for "Dismissing key evidence."

Yet I provide a study that matches the rate of cardiac failure in sports players that shines a light on your confirmation bias where you connect the vaccine to this phenomenon when I say it's already been happening. Now, you have a reason to pay attention to it for political reasons.

Cite the evidence bro. Do you have your GED? It's simple, use APA format for scientific sources.

Once again projecting.

How's that GED treating you?

I see your point, but it's in fact incorrect. Since now I know you either didn't graduate, or you forgot (which is more likely, most people graduate from highschool), you use APA citation (usually) INSIDE a paragraph.

"Additionally, more typical vaccines have weakened or dormant viruses, that aren't capable of causing the virus to flare up. This is how the body builds up its immune response." (Cere You have to wonder exactly what the government means by "safe enough" 1 ).

What that picture displays is the "bibliography", which is placed in the Citations section at the END of a paper.

You don't use a bibliography for APA style...

Jesus Christ.... I could play a guitar by how tight your panties are strung up as a bunch.

Yes, you actually do. That's literally what that image is 🤦‍♂️

Going for the triple down on projecting your lack of education eh? 😂🤣😂🤣

It's literally the same thing lol

You're talking about the part in the video, where the interviewee says: "Well, they're still kinds of conducting the experiments on it but it seems like from what I've heard, they're kind of optimizing it, but they're going slow cause everyone's very cautious, like, you know, obviously they don't want to accelerate it too much."

"But I think they're also just trying to do it as an exploratory thing because you obviously don't want to advertise that you are figuring out future mutations."

You wanted me to watch the video, and I did. I remained objective.

At least in part recognized by Project Veritas, the tone of the conversation is around discussion and not on projects that are ongoing.

Even when O'Keefe claims that the second set of clips shows the interviewee talking about experiments beyond theoretical discussion, it's not clear what type of experiments the interviewee was referring to.

He may have been referring to experiments on monkeys or it may be other research on small animal subjects (such as flies) or preliminary research or simulated mutations which don't involve live specimens.

In any case, the video clip does not provide the information for us to be certain.

Another issue is that we do not have the full raw footage to assess whether the subject of the conversation changed or the terms it was couched in. With a hyper-partisan group like Proj. Veritas, I wouldn't put it past them to modify the footage.

If they really were the champions of truth and defenders of the people as they claim, they'd release the raw, full interview. But they haven't. Now, you're drinking the Marjorie Taylor Greene Kool-Aid. The fringe right. The right-wing that still holds Trump as their Lord and Savior.

I'm open to new perspectives and facts, but I'm not seeing anything that proves beyond reasonable doubt what you're suggesting. There are other explanations for people dying on average 2/week in sports. Trying to nail it with CoViD and refusing any other explanation is lazy thinking. I entertained the idea and tried to explore it, there are too many variables to say with certainty it is what you suggest.

What do those quotes have to do with my quotes?

Yes, it is very clear, its the type of experiments that government agencies come in for, and use on the public, AS HE STATES. What the hell kinda statement was that?

We don't know why they haven't, no idea. But that doesn't negate what Jordan SAID WITH HIS OWN MOUTH, which you want to dismiss because "we don't have everything." You and I both know, if we did have the full video, you would find some other way to discredit his statements, you don't want it to be true, so you can't examine his statements properly. You're blind.

It isn't beyond reasonable doubt, all the facts match the agenda of Pfizer.

No, covid doesn't cause Neurological diseases, nor does it stop hearts, especially after ALL THESE ATHLETES had been exposed, and fully received. Keep trying.

If you're so open to info, then watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzar6T3zJw

It's conjecture.
The data is consistent.

Moving goalposts to neurological disorders now?

No wonder I haven't heard these crazy covid claims, they're looney. Though you'd make an excellent case study for neurological side effects. I bet you need to google the difference between a study and a case study.

If I could find holes in it the experts found more most likely. Your claims are weak and you're trying to save face over a claim that you made years ago that was a nothingburger just like this one 😅

You didn't even address the video, probably didn't watch it 🤦‍♂️

Whatever man. You just got a chance to learn some real deep shet. You could have your eyes opened, but that's not my decision. It's yours.

Not sure which video you're referring to. I'm not going to participate in this conversation if you're going to make conclusions about my actions by (again) making conjecture. Which, as I see it, is a recurring pattern with you.

All you say to something you don't agree with is "conjecture"
You know what that's called? Dismissal. It's not an argument. You've never had more than two in this whole conversation.

*Cites a "news" cite that mentions that COVID is a bioterrorist weapon from China. Refuses to wear masks to defend against it.*

Lol.

You obviously don't understand what these spike proteins do...Nothing, not even metal clothing would defend against it. https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-06-02-vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/08/fact-check-proteins-covid-19-vaccines-arent-dangerous-toxins/7505236002/

Dude, this article is circular reasoning. It keeps saying he is fake news and he is a "doctor." They have not proven that he is. One, Bryan Bridle is more than a "doctor." He is a world-renowned virologist vaccine expert at the University of Guelph. He has been one of the most pro-vaccine advocate. Why would he all of a sudden change his mind?

Getting back to the circular reasoning, the article only says he is fake news, but fails to show how he is incorrect.

Read again.

The very author who Bridle cited, said that Bridle over-interpreted the results of the study. Not only was bridle countered by the very person he cited, but by several of his colleagues to, and a professor.

Additionally, more typical vaccines have weakened or dormant viruses, that aren't capable of causing the virus to flare up. This is how the body builds up its immune response.

mRNA work differently. Instead, they carry genetic material with instructions that tell the body how to produce a protein or a piece of protein, which in turn kicks the immune system into play and causes the production of antibodies.

The three vaccines that were approved for emergency use in the America, teach cells how to create the spike protein found on the surface of the coronavirus. The body then produces antibodies until all the spike proteins are destroyed, building up immunity for future coronavirus infections.

Another professor of molecular genetics from Duke University, previously told USA TODAY that spike proteins do stay in the body for some time. But, the proteins eventually die out, and the vaccines are constructed in a way that limits the ability of the proteins to fully bind to cells and create more infectious particles.

Abby Capobianco, press officer for the FDA, said in an email:
"There is no scientific data to indicate that the spike protein is toxic or that it lingers at any toxic level in the body after vaccination,"

So, basically, you have the FDA, and multiple doctors shutting down another doctor in peer review.

This happens in medicine. If he keeps touting these lies, he's likely to lose his medical license. Happened before with the guy who said vaccines cause autism.

The vaccines are not as you think they are. They are causing menstrual periods in babies, in mothers, and sterilization in men. Many people are suffering and dying, soon to be more.

The spike proteins are not dying out, they are being reproduced...That is the entire point. The vaccines highjack the ACE-2 receptors and mRNA/DNA factories.

You are assuming that the FDA and these other doctors have zero bias.

Yeah there's no evidence to corroborate that as a legitimate concern.

You're running under the assessing they have a bias. This medical knowledge and how vaccines work has been around for a while. Long before the right wing attempted to politicize it. That's all they've been doing since pandemic started.

If what you suggested is true, the rate of occurrence is so small, it's just as dangerous as any other medication worth serious side effects.i have not seen what you suggested in my two daughters or niece.

Your propaganda is trying to dissuade people from getting the vaccine who really need it so people at risk will succumb to the chorus, this eliminating people who "weaken the gene pool." That's also called eugenics. I have a compromised immune system and have not experienced anything this quackery suggests

More like: "The evidence that exists, and world-renowned doctors (especially the ones getting assassinated), I don't like."

Everyone has bias. That is humanity.

Yeah sure, like the left has been sitting back, and not telling anyone that doesn't take, are public enemy #1's.

You will see, soon enough. Within 3 years. Goodbye.

"I was being gracious with that estimate. Already, today and now, you have people who are suffering because of this vaccine...I am saying that the death rate will skyrocket within a year and a half...

Yes, there is. It is called a nan-bot. Wonder why he, who is not a doctor, is making this vaccine?

Sure, I said mark my words...Glad you did. Except, if you took it, you won't be around to see."

I did take Pfizer, and yes, we will see. Or maybe you'll have left imgflip so you don't have to face the truth.

That's not how I roll.

Ah, good. Set the time limit so far in the future that no one cares after it passes. But this too, like all other right-wing conspiracy theories will pass uneventful.

Like...

Kamela taking office within two weeks
Trump being President again within two months
People being put into concentration camps over the virus

You know what's funny? There's nothing in either article you posted that talks about that weird bio chip that gates puts in there.. Oh right, because there isn't one.

I'll book mark this and poke you in three years :) Just to show you how batshit crazy you were. Hopefully, you'll have changed by then.

I was being gracious with that estimate. Already, today and now, you have people who are suffering because of this vaccine...I am saying that the death rate will skyrocket within a year and a half...

Yes, there is. It is called a nan-bot. Wonder why he, who is not a doctor, is making this vaccine?

Sure, I said mark my words...Glad you did. Except, if you took it, you won't be around to see.

okay bud. But you still can't answer for the CDC FDA circle jerk.
>> You mean this diatribe?
Notice the "cancer" and "heart disease" death rates have skyrocketed? Notice how, even after the fourth dose of this vaccine and with a booster, the vaccine is ineffective? Notice how there are athletes all over the world dropping, hundreds dying with heart conditions? The world's healthiest men and women dying from...heart disease?
>> No, I haven't noticed. I have noticed that INM has been spewing the same nonsense since day one. I do know that INM thinks correlation equals causation.

Notice how all the information under the Freedom of Information Act that was released was blacked out?
>> So?
Notice how the same people that you are citing for your source, who are collecting the data, are the same people that funded and are involved in the production of the vaccine and back it with all its funding?
>> So we should continue to give out all the vaccines for free? I thought the right wing hated socialism... I'm confused. With that in mind, who cares? VAERS tabulates all reported adverse reactions to vaccines by any physician who submits a report to the database.

But what you're really implying, is that a person who controls the information is modifying it to fit their agenda...? Hmmm. That's a good point I hadn't considered before... Next point...

"The twitter files much? 😂😂😂" There's a guy who controls all of the information... Except in this case, there is no balance or check to verify he is conducting his business ethically.

See what I did there?

I don't know anything about the INM, but I do know that the type of thinking that dictates "correlation doesn't mean causation" always leads people down the path of blindness, even while true. I'm not saying correlation does totally all the time, I'm saying there's only so many assumptions you can make without testing the theory that correlation DOES equal causation...and like I said, if all over America, something all of a sudden happens, and then there is a new variable that was introduced, its a good assumption that that new variable tweaked the results. And from there that's where you look at stats and stuff, and research. But the issue with research, is that there are powerful people who are hiding the numbers, so us guys who are trying to find causations can't commonly link data, because its being hidden. You see?

What do you mean, "so"?
By saying "well the CDC and FDA say this thing" well it's about their damn product! It's like an article citing itself to prove its own legitimacy... it's like a medicine company citing their own doctors and spokesmen, telling you their medicine is safe...wait a minute!

I never talked about vaccine prices, that doesn't have to do with what I'm talking about man. I'm saying the same thing I said above. If you go to a restaurant that seem sketch, and you ask the manager about their practices, but the manager leads you to the owner of the building with benefits from customers coming to his restaurant, if there was something off, do you think he would lie? Same thing. These people are working in the gov. The medicine company is citing the gov for their legitimacy, and when we question them, they cite that its gov regulated. Thats what a circle jerk is.

I don't actually. Can you elaborate?

Multiple studies and reviews of data from vaccine safety monitoring systems continue to show that vaccines are safe. As a result, the agency will refocus enhanced surveillance and safety monitoring efforts toward children and adolescents.

As of January 5, 2023, there have been 1,050 preliminary reports in VAERS among people younger than age 18 years under review for potential cases of myocarditis and pericarditis. Of these, 248 remain under review. Through confirmation of symptoms and diagnostics by provider interview or review of medical records, 705 reports have been verified to meet CDC’s working case definition for myocarditis. See below for counts of verified reports of myocarditis by age group.

5-11 years: 23 verified reports of myocarditis after 22,988,430 doses administered

12-15 years: 368 verified reports of myocarditis after 25,684,954 doses administered

16-17 years: 314 verified reports of myocarditis after 14,056,891 doses administered

As the COVID-19 vaccines are authorized for younger children, CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis, including clinical considerations, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 665 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through January 4, 2023. During this time, VAERS received 18,533 preliminary reports of death (0.0028%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

This is the part where you find some way to still be correct, right?

HA. You thought buddy. Thousands of people are dying. Those studies are faked.

Notice the "cancer" and "heart disease" death rates have skyrocketed? Notice how, even after the fourth dose of this vaccine and with a booster, the vaccine is ineffective? Notice how there are athletes all over the world dropping, hundreds dying with heart conditions? The world's healthiest men and women dying from...heart disease?
Notice how all the information under the Freedom of Information Act that was released was blacked out? Notice how the same people that you are citing for your source, who are collecting the data, are the same people that funded and are involved in the production of the vaccine and back it with all its funding? Coincidence, I think not.

I am not totally correct, no...But there has been a massive surge of deaths all over the globe, and all the media can do to cover it, is call it SADS and global warming. 😂😂😂

Nobody's dying. Certainly not to the level of "goodbye" that you're talking about. Less than 1%. Less than the virus itself.

:/
okay bud. But you still can't answer for the CDC FDA circle jerk. Because its obvious. The twitter files much? 😂😂😂

Lol, I really don't care. Your website is fake news, bud.

How would you know? You don't. You have no ability to have an opinion because you have not done reading on what I have linked.

Mark my words, you will see in 2 years or less.

Because they said China made COVID as a weapon and unleashed it.

Fake news.

Where do you get your information, seriously? Actually, where?

"Most (gullible) people who took covid vaccines believed the media lies that claimed the virus was of “natural” origin. Thus, if they thought about it at all, they probably figured the spike protein was also a “natural” particle derived from creatures living in nature. What they did not understand, of course, is that SARS-CoV-2 was developed as a biological weapon, and the spike protein was specifically engineered to attack human tissue via ACE-2 receptors."

Retrieved from: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-06-08-analysis-covid-vaccine-deaths-2-democrats-for-every-1-republican.html

Fake news.

How is it fake,?

It's stating that it was intentionally deployed as a weapon; that this virus was engineered. False news.

You keep repeating the same thing. You now have to explain why I am wrong.

Having witnessed the fake news first hand, I went to go see if other websites or people have experienced something similar to the laughably insane article you posted. Turns out that out of a 0-64 possible rating, "natural news" is rated at 7. An "acceptable" score is 24. The website rates it at seven, then lists about twenty articles and rates those as well.

Natural News is a blog that features articles about science and health. Its motto is “Defending health, life and liberty.” Its content has been cited as being false and based on conspiracy theories. Launched in 2008 by founder Mike Adams, the website records more than 3 million visits per month. Ad Fontes Media rates Natural News in the most extreme right category of bias and as unreliable in terms of reliability.

Who cares what it is rated at? Ad populum (or appeal to the populace) doesn't win the argument for you. Even if 6.9 billion out of 7 billion people said that the sun is the moon, and one person said the sun is not the moon, the 1 person is still correct.

You're arguing on the premise that your news is correct. It isn't.

How is it not?