Where Did All The Morals Go? Long Time Passing. Where Did All The Honor Go? Long Time Ago

Did any of the other MSM report on how the dems used doctored evidence during the trial?

Hell, if they won't admit that also happened during the Flynn trial, why'd they start now!

I don't watch msm but I did hear that's what QAnon was telling everyone. It's not true. You can watch the videos yourself. They're not doctored. At least not the ones they used in the second Impeachment trial.

Sorry, you are wrong about that. They changed the date on a tweet by a year to try to implicate Trump.

They also tried to use that officers death as by rioters, when that was an unfounded claim. Even the NYT had to correct their story about him being killed by rioters just recently.

I'm not wrong just because we're all being fed false and misleading information. Why would you read the NYT? I'll have to check on the officer's death story being changed a month after his death. What are they saying now? If it came from that Qcrap it's BS I guarantee it.

That was not a riot. That was the Capitol of the United States of America being overrun by domestic terrorists while it was occupied by our ENTIRE line of succession. That was an Insurrection and those that went inside are Insurrectionists. If it had been Democrats going in you'd call it an insurrection. I feel for some of them because their president used them but they made the decision to go inside. Historically speaking that was like being a unknown crew member on the Starship Enterprise and volunteering for the away team. Not a smart move. I do not fault those just there protesting.

What tweet? Are you talking about how they proved Trump started saying the only way he would lose to Biden would be if the election was rigged? That's absolutely true. He did it before the 2016 election too. You can watch Trump say that over and over and over and over and over again all last year. I got sick of hearing it.

The NYT is suppose to be the newpaper of record. What does it say when they are so comprised. A recent report stated a decent % of their workers were afraid to state honest opinion.

I did take a bit of a break from politics. I always realize I could have things wrong. That's why it's good to question things. Once you can't question things, you are controlled.

I seem to be misrepresentated a bit here. I never said anything about Floyd being faked. But he was saying he couldn't breathe and sitting down before he was kneed. That reeks of OD. Watch the entire video that was released months later.

You can find conspiracy wherever you look for it even if it's not there. I've seen the entire video. Please tell me you're not saying Floyd would have died anyway so the police kneeling on his neck wasn't a factor in his death. Remember when you could call 911 when someone overdosed and the police would help save the human being's life? Good times, right?

He died of an overdose from two or more drugs, a heart attack, sickle cell anemia, AND Covid - the fake flu! ALL AT THE SAME TIME!
Getting suffucated to death was just bad timing and coincidental.

suffocated*

They did call 911 but someone screwed up and they went to the wrong place.

The kneeling was a factor, because it induced stress to someone already on the edge. He resisted arrest. Refused to be put in a police car. What should they have done? Released someone blitzed on fentanyl to drive home? Cops all over the world restrain people that way, especially when they are on drugs. I forget the word but druggies can display extreme strength while in intense fear. That's why they were restrained. They can also trash around and injure themselves. And yes, a lethal dose of fentanyl means, yeah, you're going to die. Long time junkies can have high tolerance but i think it's possible he swallowed his drugs. It would explain the massive levels of it in his system.

Now, you can argue it was excessive. But it was played off as racial, which there is absolutely zero evidence for. And that led to months of insanity.

And why do you think politics raises my blood pressure? Think i've been reasonable with both you here. It did as a teen but i'm quite past that. It's when you can't stop laughing. Clown world ain't just a meme.

That's just it Sidney. There is no argument here. One man killed another man on camera in front of witnesses while the dying man begged for his life. The victim did not fight them unless you consider crying for your mother and telling the man killing you that you can't breathe fighting.

And you never addressed my point about how it was portrayed as being racial when there's no evidence besides the cop being white and Floyd being black.

I recognize and accept my white privilege Sidney. I'm not proud of it but at least I can say I see it. I think that in today's climate, with as many options as those officers had, they chose a violent solution because for centuries white people have villianized (is that a word?) black people. I think police overreact because society has told white people that young black men, or black men in general, are a threat. I think I'm lucky as hell that I didn't have to teach my son's how not to be shot by the police.

I'm not the one that has the answers but I at least acknowledge the problem. If Floyd had been your son or your father do you honestly, honestly, think you'd still be defending that preventable situation?

That doesn't answer my question.

What privilege do you have that others don't? Can non whites not come from money or power? Has no white person been disadvantaged? This is a blanket concept that actually is racist at it's core but because you're a compassionate person, you empathize with the less fortunate yet you forget that can affect anyone.

And that trope about not having to teach your son not to be shot by police is more bs. I'm sure you taught your son to be respectful around police and not resist arrest. That LeBron James narrative of blacks being hunted in the streets is not true at all. In fact recent studies have shown blacks are less likely to be killed by police, which is understandable since no white cop wants to be headline news for being a murdering racist. In fact, 90% of blacks are killed by other blacks. They are way over represented in violent crime. Sorry for the hate facts. Higher interaction with cops means the more likely things can go wrong.

That violent decision actually is or was a legal procedure used by police worldwide. Does no one accept that if someone resists arrest, there are consequences? Unfortunately it seems like the drugs and stress gave him a heart attack. Could the cop be liable for not recognizing that he was oding? I guess so. But no one has proven that was intentional murder. Hold your hand hard against the side of your neck, do you lose your breath? There wasn't even bruising on his neck.

Anyways, I didn't mention Floyd to get into all this but it's funny how you two are gently shaming me for daring to question this case. Hell, I always believed people have the right to innocence before being proved guilty.

But yeah, I'd be upset if that was my son but that's an appeal to emotion.

Sidney if you don't see it... you won't. If you're old enough to have this discussion you should be able to see it. If you can't, or won't, I'm not the one that will show it to you in a way that'll make any difference. This isn't a debate I'm willing to have anymore. To me, it's like debating whether water is wet. I can't convince you the water is wet if you've made up you're mind it's not.

I never wanted to debate floyd anyway. I just threw him out that as an example of another politicized death and now walls of text later after veering off topic.

He was alive as he was being put in the ambulance. He also refused to stay in the police car and struggled with police. It's unfortunate that he was ODing at the time but what should they have done? Let him loose to drive home under the influence of fentanyl?

There is an argument. Chavin is free and the trial hasn't happened yet. The coroner doesn't decide murder trials. And yeah, he was complaining about not being able to breathe BEFORE he was restrained. You say you watched the whole video?

Neither of us were witnesses. Media lies. We don't have a clue what really happened so other than having a philosophical conversation about it we've got nothing but speculation. I watched the video of the cop on his neck for ten minutes. Did I watch the Fox Tabloid Entertainment Tv's, compilation of misinformation designed to place blame in the dead man, no.

Why are you assuming I saw some fox vid? I saw the official release of it. Kinda a cheap shot.

But yeah, all I'm saying is everyone rushes to judgement these days.

What should they have done? What did he do that was so bad that he deserved a death sentence? How many policemen does it take to arrest one doped up man without killing him?

You can't see that you're making excuses for a wrongful death, right?

Cops don't get to kill the people they're supposed to protect. Cops protect. They are not judge and jury and they shouldn't be incompetent enough to get a drugged man killed by their own hand while their partners watch!

Do you personally have friends or family on the police force anywhere? Any in Law Enforcement of any kind?

I posted THE coroner's report for him hours ago, he knows.

He, um, died from - I swear - old age and a stroke! Maybe Covid the fake disease too! The timing of getting his head repeatedly bashed with a fire extinguisher by these treasonous MAGAt terrorists was merely coincidental! QAnon said the (formally now?) Fake Newz MSM NYTimes saideded it! So you know it's true!

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/02/the-times-corrects-the-record-on-officer-sicknicks-death-sort-of/

This seems to indicate some doubt he was even struck with a fire extinguisher. I thought there was footage about it.

Goodness, as if I'd skip my no link policy for some right wing propaganda rag making a false claim that the rest of Planet Looney isn't even touching.

Well, had you looked you'd see there is no proof of buddy getting 'repeated bashed', let alone that he went immediately into a coma. In fact later that night, he mentioned getting pepper sprayed but not getting 'repeatedly bashed' with an extinguisher. That's weird.

I had thought there was video.

Hmmm, kinda reminds me of something that happened a year ago. Maybe we'll eventually find out it was the cop this time that had enough fentanyl in him to kill a horse, both arteries over 75% blocked, covid positive etc etc

I'mma stick with the coroner's report over the alt right fiction with this one., same with everyone who died during Trump not in his name from death by cop to covid dying from a litany of everything that isn't what they died from.

Huh. The coroners report that stated Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and no neck trauma means the coroner was alt right? There's no coroner report for Sicknick, so how do you know how he died?

Anyway, it's kinda important since it was the building block for the impeachment trial.

Oh, Sidney. If he had a lethal dose in his system...he wouldn't have been walking and talking. Ever seen a overdose? If you have a lethal dose of anything in your system you're not moving.

Tell me you're not saying that was faked. What? What?

Sidney if you really believe all of what you've said do me one favor. Turn it all off. Just turn off all media for one month. Four weeks. Give yourself one month of not reading or hearing or talking about anything about politics or Trump or Hunter or whatever you're reading. One month of lower blood pressure. One month of not worrying about the country coming to an end. No Biden videos or Trump news or even what your local mayor is doing. Nothing involving politics for one month.

I beg of you. Do this one thing for me. I can't lose you too. Please do try.

No, it did not.
That's it right there.

Another reason I don't do links, the opriginal source should suffice.

and yes Virginia, there is a fake news,,,

Do people that drown suffer heart attacks?

Anyhoo, the only reason I brought up Floyd was that when deaths are political, things can get twisted.

Remember the riots for Brianna Taylor? Everything that 1st came out was bs. Shot in her sleep. Nope. No knock raid. No. Mistaken identity. No.

Ask that coroner?

But that's what you're doing/

Goodness, man, even if I didn't know what happened to Taylor I would have learned form reading it only a gazillion times on this site by now.
And no, it wasn't her resisting arrest with her 2nd A is-for-white-men-only gunz wrapped in her blanket.

My bad, I accidentally bumped into something last night (a week after this initial exchange) while looking up something unrelated (a suggestion list of other articles they had), which verifies what you said to some degree and indicated that what I posted, which was what was originally reported, may not have been the case.
However the story on what did occur is still up in the air.

With Sicknick? That's all I was really trying to say, that in today's climate when a tragedy happens, people, especially in the media tend to rush to push the political narrative before the smoke has cleared. I've noticed this for over a decade. Probably due to the rush to get it out first on social media and the web to garner the most clicks.

Yeah, him.

If I recall directly, the initial report came from the cops who later reported they weren't sure the cause or even the source of that info, that thye wouldn't back it up. The NYT posted a retraction regarding their publishing of it as well, albeit somewhat more quietly.
His brother did say he called and said about the spray can.

When's the APB going out to round up these murderers? Hell, someone gets indicted for sitting in a chair, murder must count too.

Soon as he's ID'd, like the rest of the 100+ that already have been.

Let me know if that ever happens.

Sadly it won't likely happen unless someone who knows him reports him with proof.

Thought it was on tape?

Can you make out a face?
And no, I haven't looked at something horrible like that.

It wasn't just any chair and it wasn't just a tourist tour of the capitol and you know it.

I've never said I approved of any riots. I understand where they come from but I can distinguish between the peaceful protestors and the rioters/Insurrectionists. Understanding why people do things doesn't stop anything when those in power keep us in protest.

That the NYT reported that the LEO who died died from being attacked. Which is what was stated during the trial. Now, I don't have a sub to the NYT so I'm going by reports, but it's claimed they put a correction stating that that information was false, with no new details. You notice how often conclusions are jumped too lately, before the dust has settled? I thought it was weird no one was charged in his death.

I don't know of many insurrections where the guards usher the insurrectionists into government buildings. And btw, there were democrats in the building. Antifa, even. Not trying to say they all were, but some were. Anyway, you're entitled to your views, and I'd never be involved in something like that that could be so easily manipulated, as now leftists are trying to use this to excuse 9 months of burning and rioting and cancel any Trump supporter, but the whole thing seems off. Why didn't they torch the building if they wanted to kill everyone? Didn't they leave of their own accord?

No, during impeachment 2.0, the dems presented a tweet as evidence that they changed the date a year forward to try to implicate Trump in incitement.

What's the difference between News and Tabloid Entertainment TV? Journalistic integrity.

For some entertainers it's not about the truth, it's about money.

It's been about power and money for a looooong time. Journalistic integrity is a thing of the past.

Honor and respect are gone too. There's no chance of getting back to those days either. It's the new bygone era. Crushes my soul.

Politicans are just getting their toes wet with how ugly they can be. Both sides. We're going to have to start electing younger, more fit, politicans. I fear we may have to start throwing them in a ring and the one that lives gets to be president. LoL.

Part of the problem is that fewer corporations own more media outlets.

Hopefully duelling will make a comeback amongst politicians.

What difference does it make how many outlets there are if no one ever checks their story and no one tells the truth?

Because when they all work for a few, there's no pushback when the few work together. Look at those videos of small local stations where the news anchors all say the same thing verbatim. I've seen it for the left and the local Fox news channels.

I fear everyone watches the "news" that tells them what they want to hear instead of anything that resembles truth. I don't want anyone's opinion about anything. I'm an adult. Give me all the facts. Real facts because "alternative facts" are just someone's opinion of the facts. I'll verify myself. Too many people still think the news is news and that strangers on a message board somehow know something that's worth reading. I think "news" should be outlawed now because it is rarely actually news. It's ALL misinformation used to make us pick a damn side. Sorry for cussing. You should see my reaction to commercials. Everything is trying to force us to think one way. Their way. Their way is ALWAYS buy my product. Buy my story. Buy me. I don't buy any of it. Nobody should.

It's all about fitting in. It's all about not feeling alone. People buy what comforts them. It's comforting to think that you not getting everything you wanted in life is someone else's fault or the rules were against you or the government whatever'd. In reality we're all just doing the best we can with what we've got. It's not anyone's fault we don't appreciate what we have and think something material would make it all better. Rich people yearn too. So do politicans and fry cooks.

And the sad thing is we've had it so good for awhile. We are living in the most pampered times, as sick as society is. But we saw a glimpse of how things can break down with the covid panic last year. I think it won't be long before people look back and marvel how good we had it.

Everytime I see a particular groups of friends I'm reminded that I told everyone in 2000 we were living in a time of abundance and abundances ends. It also comes back. LoL. Being prepared is a good motto.

Funny how most people would rather have a 68 Challenger then any newfangled Prius or any contemporary car in the same price range with current value. Music sucks now. 1st time in history the healthy are quarantined. No supersonic plane trave and NASA can't even replicate the equipment they had in the 60's.

I had a Prius until a couple months ago. Got made fun of by the gas guzzlers until I told them I went to New Orleans and back (south central Illinois) on less than $100 worth of gas. LoL. People have different priorities. Mine was always don't give money away. LoL.