Biden just following rules

It’s the Democratic platform! I wonder why it matches?

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Yeah take a look at what kind of a hell hole Denmark is!

1. I'm sure you would prefer it if you knew that if you got ill, you wouldn't have to pay anything. Most Americans are not financially prepared to deal with any dangerous disease or disaster
2. Literally no proof that he wants to make people poor
3. See 2
4. The only thing that have come from guns are mass shootings (Hooray?)
5. The government already controls salary and housing to a certain extent
6. Everyone learns the same curriculum, everyone gets equal opportunity
7. God is Bullsh*t
8. America is already extremely divided between the rich and the poor

Except for #8, but that’s not what the meme is talking about. Dems use class warfare to separate people into groups by race, religion, gender, as well as economic classes.

Research it then

I have, that’s how I know you’re wrong.

Also, no proof God is real

Other than documented proof (scripture) with ancient ruins and other artifacts that correlate with scripture.
There’s no proof that God isn’t real.

I could just as well say that All the Aztec, Incan, Islamic, Stone age, etc. gods are real because there is scripture saying that they existed. I know you're going to say 'They're not real!', but think, what makes God real, but no other religion's god real? Why Christianity? I'm confident that if I got a Buddhist or a Hindu, their opinion would be very different.
They are old dank pieces of paper which people with a very poor understanding of science put together. The bible contradicts itself plenty of times. The bible says that some foggy thing inside of nothingness thought of light and dark and suddenly they existed. It makes absolutely no sense. It says that the Jews walked across the floor of the red sea, even though that is impossible, given our observations today.

Dr. James Coppedge, Ph.D, applied all laws of probability studies to the possibility of a single cell coming into existence by chance. He computed a world in which the entire crust of the Earth, all the oceans, all the atoms, were available. He then had these amino acids bind at a rate one and one half trillion times faster than they do in nature. He found that to produce a cell by chance would take a long time. If you were to fill thin pieces of paper with a 1 and then 0s after them, you would fill up the entire known universe with paper before you could even write that number

Have you seen any of my comments on my theories on why we are here?

Evidence for your theory?

Evidence for yours?

That’s the multiverse theory. It’s not yours

It works for me, therefore, it counts as my theory, as it is the one I believe in

No I only just met you. Give your theories

Every time something with multiple outcomes happens, say you roll a die, you create 5 other universes (Each with exactly the same history except that in each universe, the die rolls a different number)

Again, you haven’t answered my question, where’s the evidence for your theory?

The fact that its more believable than yours and that of most religions

Oh I thought you said you invented the theory lol

Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable. While this was attributed to Sir Arthur Keith, it was not his quote. It was a quote from another evolutionist in a magazine. Evolution is a faulty belief. The geologic column is based on circular reasoning, which is a logic error

What exactly is faulty about evolution?

Then who created the universe?

No-one

Emile Borel, who was a probability scientist, pointed out that if anything on a cosmos level has a probability ratio of 1,050 to 1 or more, it cannot happen. The probability of producing a human cell by chance is 10,119,000 to 1

Actually the probability of getting DNA correct in a human cell is 1 out of 10 raised to the 152 lol

The first cells were infinitely more simple than a human cell

Impossible. Again, anything with a ratio of 1051 to 1 cannot happen

Or maybe it can

Then how was the universe created

We have come up with a variety of causes

And yet, the chances of producing ANY cell by chance is still impossible

Impossible or small?

How do you know they were more simple. Were you there watching the first moments. If so, then wow!

The first cells were almost definitely very simple, without many of the things that they have today

You need to research the Bible if that’s what you think it says.
As for Aztecs, Incans, Islam Gods, every religion has their own interpretation of the nature of God. This is one reason why God sent his son to correct some of the beliefs and practices that strayed.
None of that proves God doesn’t exist. What you’re talking about is proof that one religion’s understanding of God proves the other religions are wrong.

No, God doesn't exist, he is painted as some obscure, gender neutral, male, benevolent, malevolent god. Nothing about the bible make sense. I respect that you are a Christian, but religion plays too much of a role in modern US politics

Yes, God does exist. Just because you don’t believe or understand it doesn’t make it so. There is far more evidence supporting the existence of God than anything claiming he doesn’t.
Perhaps nothing in the Bible makes sense to you because you’re never really studied it. If you were to pick up a Trigonometry book without first knowing algebra, none of it would make sense either. So, would that mean derivatives don’t exist?

I have actually read plenty of the bible, and understand quite a lot of it, but the idea that there is some obscure deity who has no form but is still referred to as male baffles me. The fact that the bible contradicts itself baffles me. The fact that you believe in an extremely old book baffles me. If God is so benevolent, then why did he drown the world? Why did God leave the Israelites in slavery for so long? How was the floor of the red sea flat? How and why did God create us? These are all questions that the bible doesn't answer. And I ask you again. Why is it the Christian God? Why is it not any of the other multitude of religions out there?

And who cares if religion plays a role in politics?

Because people can do a lot of things and reference it to some page of the bible so that they can do it

“ the idea that there is some obscure deity who has no form but is still referred to as male baffles me.”
That’s because God isn’t an obscure deity with no form. He has a body. Maybe some religions think he is that way but that’s not what the Bible teaches.

“The fact that the bible contradicts itself baffles me.”
Where does it contradict itself? The problem is the text of the Bible has been copied and translated over and over so many truths of it have been lost or altered.

“The fact that you believe in an extremely old book baffles me.”
Not hard to understand. People study the Bible and other scripture their entire lives. They only way to truly understand it is via prayer. Whenever you find something you don’t understand, ask the source — get on your knees and ask God to help you understand. If you sincerely want to know, he will help you. Give it a try.

“If God is so benevolent, then why did he drown the world?”
The great flood was due to the overall corruption of the world. It was also a symbolic baptism of the earth. Another baptism will happen, this time by fire.

“Why did God leave the Israelites in slavery for so long?”
God could have just killed off the Egyptians or prevented them from enslaving the Israelites in the first place. But tat would mean the Egyptians would not have agency. It’s like the age old question “why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?” If God were to prevent anything bad to happen, we would lose our agency and be forced into compliance.

“How was the floor of the red sea flat?”
What makes you think it was? “The Ten Commandments” was a movie. It’s not an accurate history Reenactment. They walked on dry ground, not necessarily flat. There are many theories of how it happened by nature.
“How and why did God create us?”
Good question. Another question might be, how did we get created without God?

“These are all questions that the bible doesn't answer.”
You’re right, it doesn’t. The Bible also isn’t the only scripture recorded.

“Why is it the Christian God? Why is it not any of the other multitude of religions out there?”
There is only one God. Different religions have different understanding of the nature of God. Even the various Christian sects believe differently about God such as, are the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost the same person manifested in different forms, or are they three distinct beings?
I can hook you up with teachers if you really want to know more

'That’s because God isn’t an obscure deity with no form. He has a body. Maybe some religions think he is that way but that’s not what the Bible teaches.'
Then why do so many books about God actually not give us any proof?

'Where does it contradict itself? The problem is the text of the Bible has been copied and translated over and over so many truths of it have been lost or altered.'
The bible says that the Earth is flat and that it is round. It says that everyone sins and then lists people who have not sinned etc.

'Not hard to understand. People study the Bible and other scripture their entire lives. They only way to truly understand it is via prayer. Whenever you find something you don’t understand, ask the source — get on your knees and ask God to help you understand. If you sincerely want to know, he will help you. Give it a try.'
That does definitely not work, cause once, when I had English homework, and asked him the answer, I sincerely wanted to know, and guess what I got? That's right, nothing.

'The great flood was due to the overall corruption of the world. It was also a symbolic baptism of the earth. Another baptism will happen, this time by fire.'
Didn't God make a covenant never to destroy humanity again? I mean, for a wise and benevolent God, he does a LOT of killing

'God could have just killed off the Egyptians or prevented them from enslaving the Israelites in the first place. But tat would mean the Egyptians would not have agency. It’s like the age old question “why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?” If God were to prevent anything bad to happen, we would lose our agency and be forced into compliance.'
Maybe, but why didn't he straight up kill them when the time was right instead of getting Moses to do his dirty work

'What makes you think it was? “The Ten Commandments” was a movie. It’s not an accurate history Reenactment. They walked on dry ground, not necessarily flat. There are many theories of how it happened by nature.'
Literally, the whole story just leaves out the fact that there is a continental shelf in the red sea. There is now way that they could've crossed it by parting the sea

'You’re right, it doesn’t. The Bible also isn’t the only scripture recorded.'
These scriptures don't answer all the questions though. How did God come to be?
Where did he get his power from?
etc.

And finally: If there is only one God, then why do so many religions have multiple gods?

Also, How do we know how the Earth was created

“Then why do so many books about God actually not give us any proof?”
Because God wants us to exercise faith and seek out his wisdom. “Proof” of his existence comes from personal revelation.

'The bible says that the Earth is flat and that it is round.”
No sure what passages you’re talking about, but yes, the earth is bipoth flat and a sphere, depending on your perspective.

“It says that everyone sins and then lists people who have not sinned etc.”
The only person it says was without sin is Jesus Christ.

“once, when I had English homework, and asked him the answer, I sincerely wanted to know, and guess what I got? That's right, nothing.”
He doesn’t just give us the answer every time. He wants us to study it out for ourselves, make our own decision then ask if it is right.

“Didn't God make a covenant never to destroy humanity again? I mean, for a wise and benevolent God, he does a LOT of killing”
He said it would never be destroyed again by a flood. You’re thinking temporally. We are eternal beings. We lived before we came to earth and we will live again after death. Moral death is not the end of everything. Our time on earth is just s short blip in eternity.

“why didn't he straight up kill them when the time was right instead of getting Moses to do his dirty work”
Moses was his prophet, a teacher and a messenger. God gave Pharaoh ample opportunity to change his ways and save his kingdom.

“Literally, the whole story just leaves out the fact that there is a continental shelf in the red sea. There is now way that they could've crossed it by parting the sea”
No way that you and I fully comprehend, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

“These scriptures don't answer all the questions though. How did God come to be?
Where did he get his power from?”
I can’t teach you everything in a website comment list. If you really want to know, I can set you up with some people who will teach you.

“And finally: If there is only one God, then why do so many religions have multiple gods?”
Even in the Bible it shows there were groups who worshiped multiple gods. We are flawed humans. That’s why God has prophets to set us straight. Would you like to hear from his current prophet?

God is a creation of humans. He is not real. The bible was written by real human beings. There is nothing wrong with religion, but religion seeks to answer one question: 'What happens when you die?'. Religions are great at bringing people together, but what is happening now is that people are rejecting science that has been proven, and choosing the outdated, unreliable sources. Religion is fine, but people use it as an excuse to do whatever they want

Well, you got one thing right. The Bible was written by human beings — most of who were scribes for God’s prophets. But religion does much more that answers what happens when we die. It teaches us how to live. As far as people rejecting science and choosing religion, quite the opposite is happening, which is also the reason there is so much unrest in the world. The belief that there is no afterlife and, thus, no consequence for how we behave while we’re alive is why there is increasing number of mass murders. The disbelief in God and rejection of religious doctrine is why people do whatever they want.

Yes thank you. Humans were inspired by god to write the Bible. So it’s pretty much god speaking through us

Maybe, but the idea that when you die, your conscience drifts out of you and is judged on what it did well is possible, but extremely unlikely. Religion gives us guidelines to live by, but science gives us actual facts

Actually, it’s your spirit that leaves your body at death. The same spirit that existed before birth. This is what God created and why we are his Spirit Children. We have mortal parents on earth who are our biological parents.

Science is full of theories, not necessarily facts. They require as much or more faith to believe as religious doctrine. For example. The Big Bang theory claims that the entire universe started by chance and all the intricate things required for life on earth came together by random chance without any intelligent design. It can’t be proved and it takes a lot of faith for one to believe it actually happened that way.
On the other hand, it’s a known fact that living the 10 commandments fosters civility and happiness.

It is not, however a known fact of how most of the bible happened
Also, How and why did God create us?

“How and why did God create us?”
Like I said before, I’m not going to be able to teach you all this on a meme site. But if you really want to know, I’d be glad to get you in contact with people who can teach you all of it.

Give me your rough understanding of it, given that you claim to have studied the bible

I’ve studies more than just the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible.
Here are some references that will give you a rough understanding.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/video/2011-06-03-we-lived-with-god?lang=eng&collectionId=3a0d71598bde70d21638da30b93504f6cfb018b0

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/video/2011-03-0011-the-creation?lang=eng&collectionId=3a0d71598bde70d21638da30b93504f6cfb018b0

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/ldsorg/content/english/manual/missionary/pdf/36950_the-plan-of-salvation-eng.pdf

Or maybe you just accept that the only legit part of Christianity is don't be an asshole

Did you even look at any of these? It’s easy to brush off Christianity when you don’t even try to seriously understand it.

I have tried to understand it, I was originally a Christian, but there is so much about the Bible and Christianity that I don't understand and makes no sense. Christianity has good morals, as does every religion, but the whole 'God created the universe' thing makes no sense to me

Well, you need to understand that there are many Christian religions. While we all share the same basic doctrine of Jesus Christ being our Lord and Savior, not all sects share the belief that the Bible contains the entire word of God.

Besides, Christianity isn’t unique in believing that the world was created by God. That doctrine is shared by non-Christian religions too. So your questions about the creation and deity isn’t about not understanding Christianity. You seem to not understand intelligent design theocracy in general. But do you understand the scientific theory about the creation? That’s even more bizarre than anything found in the Bible.

The scientific theory states that a big bang with unknown cause made space
The bible states that a foggy deity who we don't know anything about, other than he looks like a man, thought a things into existence. The thing is, the bible tells us that he was in nothingness, yet with him in it, it was not nothingness, unless God was just conscience, but we are more than just conscience. The point is not how crazy Christianity is compared to other religions; Christianity is sensible compared to some other religions, but how crazy Christianity is (With no evidence other than old manuscripts) compared to science (Which has lots of scientific evidence)

Why doesn’t it make sense to you? I can explain any doubts you have. I’ve had doubts myself, there was a time actually when those doubts plagued me so much I cried sometimes. I can help

Where did God get his power from?
Who is God?
What is God?
How did he come to be?

https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c039.html

God is the creator of the universe, an omniscient, omnipresent, all powerful god.

https://www.quora.com/Who-gave-God-his-her-power-How-was-this-power-handed-over-to-God

God, in some aspects, we can never understand him. He is something we can never comprehend

That's not very helpful

Look at the figures: If your area was hit by a hurricane, or you had a heart attack, and you didn't have any insurance, would an average middle class citizen be able to afford it to fix their home or get treatment (Probably not)

“THE BENEFIT IS THAT IT BENEFITS PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD PRIVATE INSURANCE. These people can often not pay any taxes, so this government health insurance would mean that they can get medical treatment”
I know what the benefit is. It benefits those who have nothing to lose.
If you have government health insurance that costs more for people who will use it less (younger population) and costs less for those who will use it more (the elderly) along with private insurance, which does the opposite, who is going to sign up for government insurance? It’s going to be full of non payers — people who can’t afford to pay taxes or insurance — and, thus, be unsustainable. The only way a government insurance plan like you describe would work would be to eliminate private insurance altogether and force everyone into the government plan via taxation — since the government cannot legally require people to purchase it. That’s called socialism.

The idea is that every citizen has government health insurance that they can always rely on, even if they are dead broke, but you can get private insurance if you want to

Yes, it’s a great system in theory but it doesn’t work in reality. That’s why every country that has government-run healthcare also has substandard healthcare.

'It doesn't work in reality'
Then please inform me on why England, Germany, Singapore, France, Qatar, Israel, and Canada all have very good healthcare, along with it being government funded

Like I said, go live in one of these countries long enough that you actually need their healthcare services. You’ll find out how good their healthcare really is, and find out hom much of your paycheck is held back to pay for it.

Well good thing I have, because everyone I asked about it thought it was definitely a good thing

Interesting because I have too. Maybe the people you asked about it were the ones who don’t pay much, if any, into it while reaping the benefits of those who do.

No, I actually asked a huge variety of people, and they all supported it

🤦‍♂️The government has laws that control what you do. That's called communism.
Socialism isn't even necessarily bad, but the way that it has often been implemented has led to corrupt dictatorships

Before you vote for socialist government, you should live in a socialist country. You’ll find out it’s not as great as you think it is.

Living in a capitalist country is not as great as you think it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wny-d15ZETw

Good video. Too bad you don’t seem to have actually watched it.
BTW, I DO live in a capitalist country and have no desire to move to a socialist country. Unlike many people in socialist countries who clamor to get into this country.

If you've watched it, then you would know that our current version of capitalism has outdated its usefulness.

Yes but he doesn’t recommend socialism. Just more tweaks to existing capitalism. That’s been going on all along.

Not tweaks, big changes, and Trump isnt exactly doing very much about that, because he's a millionaire who doesn't want the system to change

“Canada is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, at the 4th wealthiest country in the world in 2012.”
In 2019, Canada was ranked 9th wealthiest. But the main issue it the quality of healthcare it’s government provides. Just ask any working-class Canadian and they will tell you how bad it is.

“Plenty of countries have free healthcare and they are doing fine.”
You’re under the delusion that they provide “free” healthcare. It’s not free. Their citizens pay for it one way or another. Canada and Mexico both have socialized healthcare but anyone who can afford to, comes to the US for any major medical procedure because the quality of care is terrible.
The same thing will happen to the healthcare in the US, and we won’t have an adjacent country to go to for decent care.
There are plenty of reasons to not have government-run healthcare. Any bureaucracy is inefficient and wasteful. The US government is the largest bureaucracy there is.

When I say 'free', I mean that it's free at the point of delivery (You don't have to show them your credit card every time you go to the doctor or hospital)
Also, if there are plenty of reasons, then please, list them, I will enjoy debunking them all

Well, we already have “free at the point of delivery”. When I go to the doctor, I don’t have to pay anything at the time. I get billed later. Socialized medicine works the same way except you get billed before treatment via taxes.

Besides better quality of care and wasteful bureaucracy, which I already mentioned, you don’t have to take the day off from work and sit in a waiting room all day to see seen by a doctor. The government doesn’t decide that you’re too old or otherwise not worth the cost of treatment. Pharmaceutical companies can risk investing in research for new drugs because they will most likely be rewarded for all the time and money they put into it - that’s why the American pharmaceutical industry accounts for about 40% of all drug revenue worldwide.
Need I go on?

A public health service wouldn't change any of that. The idea is that a portion of the nation's budget is shifted from something else to help fund this, meaning that everyone pays. When I say 'at the point of delivery' I mean that you don't have to pay anything upfront, but you just make small payments. The people who need less healthcare give more money than is required and those who need more give less money, so it practically pays for itself. This creates a public health service, so if you cannot afford to get private insurance, you can always rely on it, but you can still get private treatment

So, what your describing is an government run health insurance company. And who are these people who need less healthcare and are willing to give more money than required?

They are young people who generally don't need that much healthcare, and the excess money pays for the older people. When these younger people become older, the younger generation's excess helps pay for them

Good luck with that. It’s what Obamacare was counting on but many of these people opted to just pay the penalty. And if there are private insurance options, they would go with that, rather than pay extra for government insurance.

But some people don't have enough money to afford private insurance

“But some people don't have enough money to afford private insurance”
So, how are these people going to afford paying for older people, much less paying extra? Your plan doesn’t make sense.

THE BENEFIT IS THAT IT BENEFITS PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD PRIVATE INSURANCE. These people can often not pay any taxes, so this government health insurance would mean that they can get medical treatment

The key phrase is “didn’t have insurance”. If you can’t afford insurance, you can’t afford a house.

Or maybe don't have insurance, whatever, you don't have insurance

Like I said, if you can’t afford insurance, you can’t afford a house.
Health insurance is a little different because you can’t opt out of needing it like you can with home or auto insurance. We all need to prioritize needs over wants. Health insurance is a need. We should budget for that before subscribing to entertainment services or buying the latest gadget, etc. But I don’t think the government should be redistributing wealth so that lower income people can afford Netflix and the latest iPhone.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that the government should present the option of free, basic healthcare to everyone

But somebody has to pay for it, unless you’re proposing that the government force healthcare workers, suppliers, drug companies, etc provide their services for free.

No, I'm suggesting that the government siphons off some of the tax revenue to pay for this

And what do you propose they stop funding to fund healthcare? It’s not like we have a surplus of tax revenue. The government is broke. It would take decades to pay off our loans even if 100% of tax revenue went to paying off the national debt. Look at Canada. Their government healthcare is terrible and it’s bankrupting their country.

Canada is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, at the 4th wealthiest country in the world in 2012. The UK and Germany are also doing very well, and they have free healthcare. Maybe the problem is America. Plenty of countries have free healthcare and they are doing fine. There is no reason not to have it

In this scenario

Illegal immigrants my friend illegal immigrants.

What about them

They make the working class poorer.

Thats just a stupid conspiracy
The working class is already poor, and the republicans arent doing anything about it

I work...I'm not poor. Neither is anyone in my company. We're all working class. We just don't mismanage our money and live beyond our means. You want to be poor...join the European middle class. They're on par with the poor in the US.

Is that the reason that the richest 1% of the US population hold 42.5% of the nation's wealth?

Why concern yourself with others' money? Make your own. You realize they also pay over 50% of the nation's taxes as well, meaning 1% are supporting half this nation's budget. It's not so hard to get into the 1%. Most millionaires in America are self-made and many of those didn't even go to college. Choices my friend. Choices...make good ones. If you took all their money away and gave it to the 99% and started over...they would just make their money back while the poor squander theirs away.

No, most poor people have been born poor and don't have enough money to support themselves and get a better job at the same time. The reason millionaires don't give away money is because they don't want to and they are stingy. Only a small percentage of poor people actually have themselves to blame for being poor. Many millionaires got lucky. Simple as that.

I was born poor, so I know the struggle. I also know that, if someone is willing to make the sacrifices necessary to climb out, then the middle class is obtainable. My children weren't born into poverty as I was, because I climbed out, and gave them a middle class start. They'll be upper-middle class by the time they're 30 because of my choices and theirs. They've been working since before they were teenagers. I literally dug ditches and did construction for the first half of my life. There's good money in hard work, not so much if someone stays in retail. Most millionaires aren't lucky and weren't "born" into it. They just don't make the shitty decisions that keep others poor. Only 12% in America were "born" into wealth.

The whole point of business is that you take other's money for something that you got for less. They make good decisions that are good for their finances and Americans, but not that great for their workers

And 6.71% of Americans are millionaires

Bruh my parents did the same exact thing and they are still poor so lucky you I guess.

There is generational poverty and there is situational poverty. Those in situational don't want to be there and work to get out. Those in generational poverty are born into it and it's all they know. They think it's normal for government to give money for food, housing, and medical. It is incentive to stay dependent on government, don't marry, hold a job...etc.
Someone to check out is Star Parker. She was born into itband experienced it and got out if it and now works to educate people and show them a path out of it.

1. Then there's also the people who were born into poverty and can in no way get out of it

2. Here's a better solution to generational poverty:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl39KHS07Xc

I agree, my mom's job is to help people for a living and we had nothing. We could only go to the dentist once a year and she is still paying of the money of having cavity filled from 5 years ago. My mom did not ask to be poor.

Thank you

“Most millionaires are self-made”

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah cringeeeeeee

You ok? You off your meds again? "Most of today's millionaires weren't born into their wealth, research shows.

A study by Fidelity Investments found that 88% of millionaires are self-made millionaires. Overall, the research revealed that current millionaires are, on average, 61 years old with $3.05 million in assets."
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6aJnuTcvs2A/Vhw3SUyGzwI/AAAAAAAADpU/G1J7aXJGjxc/s1600/dreamscape-992x429.jpg

Well that's interesting. Because according to Georgetown University, family wealth is substantially more important than hard work. Say it ain't so!

And according to pew, people born poor are likely to stay poor and people born rich are more likely to stay rich, a phenomenon called "stickiness at the ends." Go figure!

To close, I'm highly suspect of what your study defines as "self-made." Maybe link the original study and I'll take a look at it. I can't find it currently.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/schooled2lose/

https://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pursuingamericandreampdf.pdf

If by 'self made', you mean 'inherited millions, and scammed and broke laws to make more money from that', the sure, most millionaires are self made

Most of today's millionaires weren't born into their wealth, research shows.

A study by Fidelity Investments found that 88% of millionaires are self-made millionaires. Overall, the research revealed that current millionaires are, on average, 61 years old with $3.05 million in assets.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6aJnuTcvs2A/Vhw3SUyGzwI/AAAAAAAADpU/G1J7aXJGjxc/s1600/dreamscape-992x429.jpg

I'll be in that group within 5 years if the market keeps it's current trend. I work a 9-5 job and have been contributing to a 401k for over 20 years. Those I graduated with and who have done the same are on the same track. It hasn't been hard at all. The hardest part is convincing younger people to do the same instead of claiming it can't be done, like I did until I was 30. I would already be retired if I had listened to my HS guidance counselor and invested at 18.

Sure, they weren't born into wealth, but almost all of the time, they get their 'first million' by means that they can't control

Most get their first million by working their asses off and not spending their money on frivolous things. Investing in a small house was the best financial decision I ever made, because, over time, I've been able to trade up without going up on my mortgage payment. I pay less for a 4200 sq ft house on 10 acres than people around me do for a 2 bedroom apartment, and I've been in construction all my life. The same goes for those I graduated with. Most are doing pretty good. Ya just don't get it all when you graduate. It takes time to accumulate wealth, even more when you're stupid.

A study by Fidelity Investments found that 88% of millionaires are self-made millionaires. Overall, the research revealed that current millionaires are, on average, 61 years old with $3.05 million in assets.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6aJnuTcvs2A/Vhw3SUyGzwI/AAAAAAAADpU/G1J7aXJGjxc/s1600/dreamscape-992x429.jpg

Again, most millionaires are self-made, but they are often born into more wealthy families so they get a boost. Not born rich, but richer than most

You're a great American.

https://fee.org/shows/video/common-sense-soapbox/what-do-entrepreneurs-actually-do#player

What about that

What do you think would happen if you're country allowed anyone in?

It would probably suck. Good thing they don't do that.

Exactly. But that's what the elites want.

That's what Europe did. Now I may never visit parts of that place again. It's becoming a shithole.

Not to mention their culture is being destroyed.

Florida is a perfect example of how immigration DOES make the rest of America poorer. In the 1980s large numbers of Cuban refugees came, fleeing socialism by the way, and at that time the average wage of an American with just a high school diploma dropped 30%.

Something tells me that if America fought a war and lost lots of its workforce, you wouldn't be that pissed at immigrants

First off a war like that wouldn't happen. It would mean a death total that is more than 3x the number of deaths in WW2.
Second, no I would not, because the whole problem comes from too many workers, so even in that wildly impossible scenario if there is a shortage of workers the I would not have a problem with immigrants.

1. No, a large amount of its workforce, maybe one tenth, then you would have a very different opinion, as America did after WW1

2. In that case, poor people are bad for the economy, because they take up jobs that are bad for the economy

Yes, poor people do harm the economy.

Welp, lets kill all the poor people then!

If you add more workers would work for less than a American working class citizen, the companies will pay them rather than a person who works for high, thus making the income average lower and people to work for less

No, the workers will be paid less, and the people in higher positions will be paid more. Just because the average changes, doesn't mean you are actually affected

It's not a conspiracy it's common sense. Letting poorly educated people into the workplace would drastically reduce the cost of labor.

1. Many of them are not poorly educated
2. Making assumptions based simply on where people come from is this thing called 'racism'. You might have heard of it before

They come mostly from Latin American countries which DO have terrible education systems. That's why the immigrants are almost always doing basic labor work, and accept low wages.

1. Low wage is better than no wage
2. Quite a lot of immigrants are actually very well educated, but they can only do low-skill jobs because of racism and people branding them as stupid because they are immigrants

Why the f**k would we blame America for Latin America's education failures?

The war on drugs, colonialism, big companies manufacturing products in Latin America, the Mexican-American war, etc.

Yes of course low wage is better than no wage the problem is when there is a massive amount of workers taking low wage which stagnates everyone's wages.

That's completely made up. U.S. is #27 on highest average IQ and Mexico is #61. South American countries are even lower, and Central American countries are even lower than that. Mexico has a 4.7% lower literacy rate than the U.S, and Central American countries are 15% lower than the US. Besides, think logically. The Hispanics that are leaving their country aren't those with skilled jobs and good salaries, it's the poor and unskilled that leave, plus with the language difference they are quite limited in the jobs they can perform. This is not racism, this is truth.

1. The only people we can blame for these low IQs are America and other western countries. The only reason America isn't in the same scenario as Latin America is because they were freed from colonial rule early on

2. So you would prioritize an American poor, uneducated worker over an immigrant one?

3. The US has no national language, it could just as well be annoyed French women yelling at the hotel staff to speak French as karens yelling at Hispanics in the coffee shop to speak English. America has no 1 language. It is an immigrant country.

An illegal immigrant is not a race.

Why are you calling them uneducated without any proof

You're right because they're not documented.

You called them uneducated. Why?

Because most illegal immigrants come from poorer countries with economic instability when a country is poor its people are poor, when its people are poor they are unlikely to have an education.

It's almost as if the US interfering in every country where drugs come from was actually bad! But that could NEVER happen, because everything the US does is good

It's almost as if US intervention and the drug war had disastrous impacts on Latin America.

4. Is completely wrong. Completely. If guns didn't exist, then they would use knives. If knives didn't exist they would use their hands. By the way, 90% of shootings happen with handguns.

6. Equal opportunity is not what anyone was talking about. Reread it!

7. Of course you think God is bullshit. You believe that everything made itself, all this detail, especially DNA, which is the ultimate signification that God made it.

8. They intend to make it greater so, and already have through this plandemic. Notice how all small companies have died, and the ones supporting the agenda have gained trillions?

4. In England, Germany, Switzerland, France, etc., they all have way fewer murders than the USA (Proportional to population), and their systems are very similar except the gun thing, so yeah, removing guns would almost certainly end up with fewer murders

6. OK, I've reread it, not sure what you want me to do now....

7. There is no proof that God exists

8. Again, just follow the goddam government guidelines and we'll survive

4. No. that's not how that works. That is like saying: 10 people out of 100 died of chocolate, the 90 didn't so they must be able to digest lactose.

Do you see what I did? I made an assumption with only a few facts, there isn't enough information to know that the 90 people had enough lactase to digest milk products.

It's the same thing. You took a few factors and drew a conclusion without the actual facts. That's just an assumption.'

6. Reread it until you realize that that is not what the meme is about!

7. There is, you just deny it. Study biology (not in a public school please) and you realize that there is a masterful creator.

8. Survive? Survive what? Covid is cold! Literally! It has the same mRNA strand!! The flu is as dangerous to old people as covid is! Young people should go out, and get sick, to build herd immunity! It's literally no worse than the flu to young and healthy people!

So you do not realize the power and money grab that people in high status have gained? As long as they pull the Covid card, they can justify anything at all! Do you know this?

4. As I said, many countries are practically the same as America, except that they have gun restriction, and they have no school shooting, mass shootings, and way fewer murders

6.I have, I was just saying that if we were all taught a similar curriculum, we would have much more equal opportunities

7. Do you have any proof that God exists other than 'The Bible says so'?

8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbKMNpYBCTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY

Correction: As long as they do anything that they can prove helps with Covid, they can do it.

4. AGAIN, you have a ton of factors that are left out. You are making an assumption with very little facts.

6. No, if we "were" (we all are, it is called "common core"), it doesn't matter. No one will ever have an equal opportunity, because, with things like school, our brains all work differently. That is an extremely flawed ideology.

7. I never once mentioned the Bible in my arguments. Read them again, dude.
The Bible never mentioned DNA, but it is obvious that such an intricate thing could not have just come into existence.

4. Then actually name the factors I left out instead of angrily banging out 'You left out a ton of factors'

5. It would be more equal than each school choosing its own curriculum

6. Exactly, which disproves God, because the entirety of genesis literally tells us that it just came into existence

I mentioned them, go and reread my comments.

That's the craziest idea I have ever heard.

" Exactly, which disproves God, because the entirety of genesis literally tells us that it just came into existence"

What are you even talking about? DNA proves the existence of God.

"entirety of genesis literally tells us that it just came into existence" WHAT? That is so stupid. No, Genesis explains God's creation!!

Yes, but it does not explain how he made it. It just says 'He created it', which points towards the fact that he just made it

"HOW DID HE CREATE IT. YOU SAY THAT SCIENCE DOESN'T EXPLAIN HOW THE BIG BANG HAPPENED, BUT YOU DON'T EXPLAIN HOW GOD CREATED THE WORLD"

God is God. No one knows how the power from him goes to his creations, but the Bible does say:

The First Day
…2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.4And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.…

So its basically just bullshit

Yep, what's the confusion there?

HOW DID HE CREATE IT. YOU SAY THAT SCIENCE DOESN'T EXPLAIN HOW THE BIG BANG HAPPENED, BUT YOU DON'T EXPLAIN HOW GOD CREATED THE WORLD

HOW DID HE CREATE IT. YOU SAY THAT SCIENCE DOESN'T EXPLAIN HOW THE BIG BANG HAPPENED, BUT YOU DON'T EXPLAIN HOW GOD CREATED THE WORLD

You need to read all of Genesis. This is a mystery of God, that we will only know in Heaven

Very helpful
So they just made some random shit up and said that you will only find out the stuff, that they couldn't explain with the random made up shit, in heaven (Which almost definitely doesn't exist) where you cannot communicate with anyone alive

A lot of video one is flawed. For one, it never mentions that people from 40 and down don't experience more than the flu. Another thing, it mentions that "China informed..." Well, China didn't and has been meddling with its own numbers since day one.

Video number 2, I am did not fully watch, because the dude in the video clearly states that the video is outdated, even when he made it.

Video 1: You are literally just repeating what you have been spoon-fed on republican sites. Why would China meddle with the numbers? Everything something happens with Covid, you just yell that its all China's fault. Just because a virus happened in China, and China is a communist state, that doesn't mean that China is planning something evil with the virus

Video 2: This was simply to emphasise the importance of lockdowns and masks, not to educate you on coronavirus (although you probably do need to be told that coronavirus isn't lab-created).

"So its basically just bullshit"

Why?

Saying that some hugely powerful deity floating above nothingness thought something into existence

Why so?

Would you laugh at that if someone told you that was how the Earth was created and you had no prior knowledge of Christianity. Be honest. You probably would

"You are literally just repeating what you have been spoon-fed on republican sites. Why would China meddle with the numbers? Everything something happens with Covid, you just yell that its all China's fault. Just because a virus happened in China, and China is a communist state, that doesn't mean that China is planning something evil with the virus"

You basically just made my argument for me. China is a horrible place, with horrible rulers, who hate America and want to kill us. They have tortured are killed their own people, and want nothing more than to rule the world.

I know that China is a horrible place, but as I said, IT IS A GODDAM VIRUS. WHY WOULD THEY MEDDLE WITH THE NUMBERS?

Would you laugh at that if someone told you that was how the Earth was created and you had no prior knowledge of Christianity. Be honest. You probably would.

I woud if I hadn't read the Bible, yes, but everyone in the world will have a chance. This is a chance is the decision to give up your life and obey God, submit to him. This chance is very clear, it will happen at least once in your life, where you know that God exists and you decide whether or not to ignore him.

'I woud if I hadn't read the Bible'
Exactly. Unless it is either feasible or backed up by evidence, it is probably complete bullshit.
Also, Maybe you could provide me with scientific evidence that God even exists, cause right now, I could start worshipping Odin and say its legit because some ancient manuscripts say so. Please elaborate on why it is Christianity that is real and not any other religion

"So it's basically 'Oh No! ThE cHiNeSe WiLl KiLl Us AlL! oH nO!' You are just paranoid that China is out to get you. When was the last time China ever showed aggression to the US? Lots of companies have manufacturing plants there and almost everything is imported from China.
The virus could just as well have happened in any other East Asian country, and simply because its Chinese, you are calling it a conspiracy to wipe out democracy"

You are super ignorant. Ever heard of the cold war? Ever notice how it didn't end? The Russians went underground, and have infiltrated our system, long ago. Same thing with the Chinese.

mmmhmmm, yeah, right, I've heard of the cold war, but I'd like proof about the rest

"Also, fun fact, Norway is one of the richest countries in the world, and they are actually socialist, soooooo........"

Again, leaving out the facts of the matter, and making an assumption.

How is this an assumption😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Because they wanted us, and want us, to suffer. If they meddle with the numbers than they can deceive other countries so that they might think that Covid wouldn't do such damage.

Since you know they are horrible, why don't you realize that Communists are always on the out to defend the party, that the party can never look or be bad. So they lie to cover up for the party.

Also, fun fact, Norway is one of the richest countries in the world, and they are actually socialist, soooooo........

So it's basically 'Oh No! ThE cHiNeSe WiLl KiLl Us AlL! oH nO!' You are just paranoid that China is out to get you. When was the last time China ever showed aggression to the US? Lots of companies have manufacturing plants there and almost everything is imported from China.
The virus could just as well have happened in any other East Asian country, and simply because its Chinese, you are calling it a conspiracy to wipe out democracy

"Very helpful
So they just made some random shit up and said that you will only find out the stuff, that they couldn't explain with the random made up shit, in heaven (Which almost definitely doesn't exist) where you cannot communicate with anyone alive"

Okay, back it up. Back it up!

You obviously heard of the Bible from an Athiest, because you are incorrect about everything you just said!

No one "Just made stuff up." The Bible was written over the period of 5000 years, and was completed about 2000 years ago. It is Historically correct. In fact, archeologists find towns, cities, and historical objects every day.

No one on this earth can explain how the power from God creates x. But, it does explain what God made, and why.

"(Which almost definitely doesn't exist) where you cannot communicate with anyone alive"

1. How do you know?

2. "where you cannot communicate with anyone alive."

One, if that were true, which nobody knows, why does that matter?

1. This was grossly oversimplified, but the bible is made up shit

2. Then why did God make it, or are you just gonna say you can hook me up with some people who will explain it

3. I know because no-one has ever legitimately communicated with dead people. The last time any of that happened was when you could make up anything and people would believe you

4. It matters because I am actually asking questions about Christianity instead of lapping up what I've been spoon-fed by an ancient manuscript

"'I woud if I hadn't read the Bible'
Exactly. Unless it is either feasible or backed up by evidence, it is probably complete bullshit.
Also, Maybe you could provide me with scientific evidence that God even exists, cause right now, I could start worshipping Odin and say its legit because some ancient manuscripts say so. Please elaborate on why it is Christianity that is real and not any other religion"

Okay, well, first, you need to have an open exe-gesus (look that up please), otherwise, your heart will remain as hard as stone.

No, (example) you come out of your spaceship, and land on the moon, you look around, and find a single boot.

Question: Did it evolve or did someone place it there?
Answer: Someone placed it there! It couldn't have evolved! There is no way.

The same is with the universe and everything in it. All of creation, buildings, dogs, cats, you, me, mountains, etc., had to have been created because the mathematical possibility of it coming into existence by itself (which is a logical fallacy) is impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy6kaDaeDT8

As you saw in the video, the probability is crazy lower than the numbers that the die itself gave. The stats of the die were 55 zero's after one, so many hundred trillion's of years. Then expand that probability to the universe. Are you really going to bet on that?

If you aren't going to read anymore, at least think of this.

If I am wrong about God's existence, then what do I lose in the end? I actually lose or gain nothing. In fact, if and when I die, I don't even observe that I am dead (if God does not exist). I lose nothing, I gain nothing, I am not even in the middle (0).

But, what if you are wrong? What do you lose? You lose an eternity with God and gain eternity in Hell, where everything gets progressively worse.

Logic says to choose God. Why? One, the stat probability, which you watched and read. Two, the fact that there is more of a chance for something, rather than nothing.

EXAMPLE 2:

You are sitting on a bench, and you have a blank book, with no pages, just the over. Suddenly, color falls from the sky. They sort themselves perfectly, making images of cheetahs, cats, dogs, lions, birds, and many other animals. Then, letters fall from the sky, onto the book, and sort themselves perfectly, in order, into coherent sentences!

Question: How could color and letters (or cells with direct orders and instructions, DNA) suddenly appear, in order, making completesense?

Mate, my bet is that each possibility creates another universe. If you roll a die, you create 6 new universes with the same history except that you rolled a different number.
Also, Who created God?
What is God?
Where is God from?

I am sure you have never read the entire Christian Bible, because, if you had, without an exe-gisus, you would have a completely different opinion.

What do you mean: "Why did God make it"?

Ever heard of a medium? Very demonic they are.

You have a question, good. But I keep giving you the answer. There are some things in that Bible, that Historians and Christians alike, know cannot be comprehended by the human mind. And that is okay. Everything will be explained.

I'm asking 'Why did God make us and the Earth'

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Xt6pN_VASGOd3abMafH2Jj3Y2MMnj9NYF512KJLJ2M/edit

Masks aren't supposed to protect you. If you wear a mask, it will do very little to protect you. They are supposed to protect others. The only way to protect yourself is either cut off all contact with the outside world, or tell others around you to wear masks

"How is this an assumption😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂"

It is an assumption because you don't actually know why they are successful.

For example: I am healthy, but I don't know if it is because of my diet, or my exercise. I cannot know until I bring in a ton of factors, and do at least 6 months of testing and stats.

Same thing with Norway. They are rich, but you cannot say it is because of socialism until you have a ton of evididence. Why a ton? Because you are labelling an entire country as successful on the basis of one POTENTIAL fact.

1. Your clear idea is that every country that is socialist or communist is poor and opressive, but Norway is none of those things except socialist

2. Is that how you spell evidence?

But you don't know!!! Okay, I am done with you. I have explained this thing over 10 times, very clearly.

What do you think?

That Trump is bullshit

I'm asking 'Why did God make us and the Earth'

Ohhhh.

A few reasons.

God created us because he was pleased that it would be GOOD (before sin, of course).

God created us because of his overflow of love.

God created us to glorify him. Not a selfish, goading, forceful "glory," but one of reverence towards him. If you read the Bible, you will be in awe of God

God created us to be in his image.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God he created him; male and female He created them. – Gen. 1:27

He wants us to be in loving unity with him.

How did he create us?

Where is he from?

What is he?

"mmmhmmm, yeah, right, I've heard of the cold war, but I'd like proof about the rest"

If you don't know, look it up. Honestly, you don't have to look it up, but you could. It is right in front of your eyes.

They went underground in the 70's. If you look at the school system through that period, and then now, you can see Russian Propaganda. This is a deep issue, and you will not find the answers in an hour, this is a week-long project.

Russian propaganda meaning kids reading 'Robin Hood'

"He steals from the rich and gives what he stole to the poor, so that makes it communist (Irony intended). If you seriously meant that the Soviets were meddling with the US education system, please elaborate on how you came to that conclusion"

Well, I have no ideas about what the commotion about Robbin Hood is about...

Actually, I never came to that conclusion myself, it is just a commonly known thing in the History of the Cold War. Again, you will have to revisit it. Make sure you aren't looking it up on CNN, or Fox, because both are very vested.

I am simply wondering if you have proof that the soviets meddled with the US education system

Also, I know that CNN supports the democrats, but Fox actually supports the republicans, it just isn't right-wing enough for you.
You should also know that just because a network supports the democrats, doesn't make it fake

What?

A school in Florida banned Robin Hood because it was 'too communist'

"A school in Florida banned Robin Hood because it was 'too communist'"

So? I don't see why Robin Hood is communist.

He steals from the rich and gives what he stole to the poor, so that makes it communist (Irony intended). If you seriously meant that the Soviets were meddling with the US education system, please elaborate on how you came to that conclusion

Wait, so let me get this straight...

They don't protect you, but they protect others...Huh. That doesn't make a shred of sense. "They don't protect you." So how do they protect the other guy, if they don't work on you?

They filter the particles coming from your mouth, and since (When worn correctly), they cover your mouth, chin and nose, they filter out most of the particles coming from them, instead of filtering particles that come to you. They do filter most of them, but you can get Covid from places which your mask doesn't cover

I am simply wondering if you have proof that the soviets meddled with the US education system

Also, I know that CNN supports the democrats, but Fox actually supports the republicans, it just isn't right-wing enough for you.
You should also know that just because a network supports the democrats, doesn't make it fake

Whether Democrat or Republican, both media sites like them have proven to lie, and not cover things as they are.

Welcome to politics, genius. PEOPLE LIE. THIS REALLY SHOULDN'T BE NEWS TO YOU. If the Soviets did meddle with the education system, THEN WHERE IS YOUR PROOF

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Xt6pN_VASGOd3abMafH2Jj3Y2MMnj9NYF512KJLJ2M/edit
95% of these studies were done pre covid, so they don't have vested interest, unlike all articles today.

"Welcome to politics, genius. PEOPLE LIE. THIS REALLY SHOULDN'T BE NEWS TO YOU. If the Soviets did meddle with the education system, THEN WHERE IS YOUR PROOF"

Stop pretending to address arguments that I never made. Of course, people lie!! That is why I said to not read things from them, especially not on this issue!!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/06/soviet-union-kitchen-table-russian-revolution-centenary-togetherness

You said the Soviets meddled with the education system, where is your evidence to support that claim

"Mate, my bet is that each possibility creates another universe. If you roll a die, you create 6 new universes with the same history except that you rolled a different number."

Are you joking? Watch the video again! Dude, seriously? I just can't believe how blinded people are!!!

That is the dumbest bet ever! You are betting the impossible. WHY? You would put your entire eternity on, not even, 1 out of 1X10^55 x 2!!!
That is literally the definition of illogical. :(

Also, Who created God?
What is God?
Where is God from?

No one did. This is probably the hardest thing to understand, and to explain. These types of answers require your time in the Bible. You need to read it to comprehend it. It is like asking a rocket scientist to sum up how to build a rocket, that can go to mars and back, but allow a noob to understand the science behind it at the same time. This is too big to find out in one comment.

What is God? What do you mean?

God is from nowhere. By nowhere I mean there isn't a weird place for almighty beings, and he is just one of them. God is not confined to dimensions, and things that were are, so he CAN BE from know where because of that fact.

Revelation 1:8
Verse Concepts
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

So God just popped into existence. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Also, about my theory, it says that there are lots of universes, each with a different from of life, some with none.
You say you can't believe how blinded people are, yet you are blinded to reality by your unquestioning faith in Christianity
Again my bet is that each time something happens with multiple outcomes, a new universe is created, each one with a different outcome.
The idea that God popped into being is illogical

"You said the Soviets meddled with the education system, where is your evidence to support that claim"

Dude, you are very frustrating to talk to. If you read the entire article, you would be able to draw conclusions for yourself.

So you don't have any proof and you still think you can legitimately argue against me

Or anyone for that matter

"So God just popped into existence. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Also, about my theory, it says that there are lots of universes, each with a different from of life, some with none.
You say you can't believe how blinded people are, yet you are blinded to reality by your unquestioning faith in Christianity
Again my bet is that each time something happens with multiple outcomes, a new universe is created, each one with a different outcome.
The idea that God popped into being is illogical"

HAHAHAHA!!!! You assume "So God just popped into existence. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard." to know how God came into being while saying it is dumb, then proceed to accept the ideology that has a 1x10^55x6 chance to be incorrect!!! You fool!

"You say you can't believe how blinded people are, yet you are blinded to reality by your unquestioning faith in Christianity"

Excuse you!! You presume to know my relationship with Christendom, when you haven't even met me, and don't know what and how I think of Christianity!

"Again my bet is that each time something happens with multiple outcomes, a new universe is created, each one with a different outcome.
The idea that God popped into being is illogical"

n. One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.
n. One who acts unwisely on a given occasion.
n. One who has been tricked or made to appear ridiculous; a dupe.

You claim that God is "illogical to believe in," while you are accepting something that is literally impossible!!

You are basically saying: "The book made itself!!"

By the way, do you have any evidence that there is another universe, more so; that there are new ones every single time there is a "choice" made?

If the idea of God popping into being is stupid, then how did he come to be?

"You have no proof whatsoever that the Soviets meddled with the US education system, yet you still argue that it happened"

I am done! All done with you, fool! Look at my comments and stop trying to make me think for you!!

Again, you said that the Soviets meddled with the US education system, but you present me with no arguments. If anyone is the fool here, its you

"So you don't have any proof and you still think you can legitimately argue against me
Or anyone for that matter"

Based on what?

You have no proof whatsoever that the Soviets meddled with the US education system, yet you still argue that it happened

Sorry, I went on too long, and the box stopped letting me type.

Where I left off:

Question: How could color and letters (or cells with direct orders and instructions, DNA) suddenly appear, in order, making complete sense?
DNA is called 'the book of life' by scientists and Christians alike (even Athiest scientists). It has exact instructions and is beyond any machine, or program humans could ever create.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0NR5eyzXiI

How could they randomly come into existence?

1. They didn't just randomly come into existence. They came into existence after millennia of painstaking trial and error.
2. Just because humans couldn't create it, doesn't mean by a long shot that God is real. If God were real, he would've told us that he exists by now

Trail and error by who?

OMG THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING. God has proven time and time again that he exists. So many times.

Why don't we all know he has? Well, it is the same thing with wars. Everyone in history knows that wars don't end well, but we and they insist on having them. Same thing with God. God has proven himself, but we have forgotten the times, and insist (if we know any different at all) that he show himself another time.

How has he proven himself, then. I'm sure I can come up with a rational explanation for all of them

Biden's tax plan is proof it will make many more Americans poor. He put a massive tax hike on those who make 400,000 a year or more in California and New York. The rich are the ones who will leave those states, they won't just sit there and watch their money go away, so either Biden will fall short of his promises, drive the country into more debt to keep up what he promised, or the tax burden will fall on the rest of America anyway.

Actually mass shootings account for a extremely small percent of gun usage. The #1 use of guns is suicide. Don't for get home defense is the top reason Americans own guns.

The curriculum is sh*t though. Sweden has one of the top education systems in the world? Want to know why? Because they privatized about half of all their schools, so through competition they improve. Government provided services are the most inefficient of all, look no further than the DMV.

I have an entire essay on why God is real if you're interested.

1. The thing is, it's not 'the more you earn, the more taxes you pay'. Yes, that is how it should work, but it only works until you get to a certain bracket, because these people can afford lawyers to argue successfully that they don't have to pay taxes
2. I'm not sure why you think that guns being used for suicide is better than for mass shootings. The second amendment clearly states that guns should be used to form an orderly militia if an invasion occurs, but since America has a massive army, its kind of unnecessary
3. If you were to poor to afford anything other than food, would you rather get absolutely nothing or a not-that-great but free treatment. There are plenty of people where free government services are the best they can get. You can do private companies, but many can't
4. Then show me that essay

Actually that IS what's goin on right now. The top 10% are taxed more than anyone else by a long shot.

It's better as in there's just one person dead, not multiple. However, that is still a mental health issue, not a gun issue.

The problem is people in general don't use their health services nearly as much as you think, so taxing them for healthcare means they would pay more than what they use. Private health care would not only make it cheaper through competition but also the poor would pay less in the long run by only paying when they need it.

I can send it here but it will take multiple messages because of the word limit. Is that fine?

1. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, Richard Branson, Warren Buffet, U2, The rolling stones, Joe Francis, Willie Nelson, David Bowie, Ingvar Kamprad. All of these have not been paying taxes, and most of them are American.

2. We still wouldn't have mass shootings without guns

3. I don't know about you, but I think the NHS in the UK is actually being extremely helpful to British people

4. Then send it, gosh darnit

Part 3:
Even if despite the astronomical odds a single cell organism came to be, how could it have possibly evolved into all other animals? How could one cell create and add cells outside of itself? How would organs come to exist, since an organ is useless unless all other organs are present, and the organ itself serves no use until it is fully complete. An incomplete eyeball, for example, provides nothing but an inconvenience and more food is required to sustain it. Logically, the animals attempting to grow organs would die. Same thing goes for wings. Until a wing and all the muscles necessary to fly are completed the animal bearing them is put at a major disadvantage. Seems to me that sheer coincidence creating life that has the ability to continuously improve until it becomes intelligent, multi-celled, and self aware takes more faith than simply believing in a creator. The answer is not dumb luck.

They evolved when the mitochondria started to be used. This allowed for them to have enough energy to work together to be more efficient and better at living. Consciousness evolved as a mechanism to find food better. Eyes were evolved so that beings could perceive their surroundings better. Wings were evolved when more food was higher up. (WOW SCIENCE)

You’re ignoring the fact that evolving an eye or wing would take years and possibly hundreds of generations slowly developing it, and until it is fully functional it serves zero use, requires more food to sustain, and hinders mobility.

No, food became more elevated, meaning that the animals with say skin flaps on arms would have done better, and eventually, you get wings

Still, the skin flaps can't get you off the ground until they're well developed, and until they're well developed they provide no assistance at all. Or take a look at a heart. Until the heart can actually start pumping blood and regulating gas exchange properly, what use does a ball of flesh serve?

These things were evolved as groups of cells needed a way to get nutrients everywhere, so the colonies that pumped around blood survived

But if you want to say it’s macroevolution of big changes then remember when Charles Darwin himself admitted if evolution requires macro changes then the whole theory is false?

No, I'm saying that evolution requires micro changes over a very long time

Then we should clearly see some missing links. Where are the animals in between reptile and bird? Oh, they don't exist. That's why in Darwin's time, his fiercest opposers in science were fossil experts.

Pretty sure it was the church but OK

Because microevolution must be shown in the fossil record. If there was a gradual evolution between species we would see that. But the fossil experts knew better than anyone that zero missing links have ever been found, and thus they rejected Darwin's theory

In that case, why has Darwin been widely accepted, even though he faced such obvious proof that he was spouting nonsense

That's why I said his fiercest opposers "in science". The clergy aren't scientists

So why did the fossil experts oppose him then?

Because the atheists jump on anything at all to say it’s science not god.

You jump on anything at all to say it's God, not science, even though science gives a more rational explanation.
Why did fossil experts oppose him?

Oh so 1 in 1000000000000000000000000000 dumb luck is more rational than a creator?

And I already told you why, his theory calls for slow gradual change but there is zero evidence for it in the fossil record.

No, my suggestion is that we were always going to be created, because one universe would always be created where life exactly like ours would be created (This is where we live)

I can't find my original so here's a quick recreation attempt:
In 1966 astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 27 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets capable of supporting life. With such spectacular odds, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a large, expensive collection of private and publicly funded projects launched in the 1960s, was sure to turn up something soon. As of 2014, researchers have discovered nothing at all. SInce then it was discovered that there are not 2 parameters for life, but more than 200. If a single one of them is not met exactly, everything falls apart. For example, the Earth is precisely the right size. If larger, poisonous gasses would sink to surface level and life would suffocate. If smaller, the axis orbital would be thrown off and there would be one half of the Earth burnt to a crisp, with the other half a frozen wasteland that never sees sunlight at all. The Earth’s size, mass, and speed are all perfect for sustaining life. Keep in mind that scientists’ best theory as to how is that the Earth and moon collided and pieces broke away until they were somehow just right. Another example is Jupiter, which is at the perfect spot in our solar system to serve as a point of gravity that protects us from asteroid impact. Without Jupiter being the right size and in the right place, the Earth would be shattered to bits over time.

Take a look at the forces of the universe. Gravity, electromagnetism, and all the rest act rationally. But dark energy acts unlike anything scientists have seen before. It defies explanation from any physicist or astronomer. The big bang causes the universe to expand, and everything we know suggests that the speed of expansion would slow down, but dark energy is a mysterious force that is somehow causing it to speed up. It does not behave like anything else we know, scientists have only been able to describe it as a “dynamic energy”. (Dynamic energy is the exact phrase used in the Bible to describe God’s holy spirit.)

1. We are looking for a civilisation, but we have no idea what we're looking for

2. So you're drawing a conclusion between what scientists call a substance that they don't know exist and what some old dudes in the middle ages described some dude in the sky's spirit. Got it

It’s not just “some dudes”. Multiple Roman historians confirm the existence of Jesus Christ, and the Bible account includes real people of the same time period such as King Herod and Pontus Pilate, Roman governor of Judea.

Not saying those bits are wrong, or that Jesus never existed, but it is a completely different matter if we want to talk about whether he was the son of God or not. It is completely possible that Jesus was just preaching a new religion

He was. He was preaching what we now call Christianity

I know that he was preaching christianity

Wait then why did you say it was "possible" if you knew for certain

Because all sources say that he preached Christianity, so we have a solid base to go on there, but most sources dispute the whole resurrection thing

Part 2:
Observe the “Ex nihilo nihil fit” principle. It states that nothing comes from nothing. This means that the universe, which refers to everything that exists, can’t have created itself out of nothing. The only beginning it could have had is from something else. Thus if the universe had a beginning at all, it has to have come from a transphysical being. So one can argue that matter has always existed and that the universe never had that kind of beginning. But the universe is expanding, and since it is expanding at all, there had to have been a beginning point. In 2003 Drs Borde, Vilenkin, and Guth proved that by the speed at which the universe is expanding there must be a beginning, which is the big bang. This alone is evidence for a higher being of some sort. That is why 51% of scientists believe in God or some higher power.

Let’s look at biological life. The odds of the right conditions for life to begin has been determined by mathematical physicist Roger Penrose, calculated at the odds of our universe starting with a low enough entropy purely by chance: 1 out of 1 followed by 230 zeros. Nobody should trust those odds. Biologists have also tried to say that all species originated from a simple one celled organism. Even what they call “simple” is incredibly complex. A single gram of DNA can store as much information as 700,000,000,000 gigabytes and is so well organized within chromosomes, it would be just as hard as packing 24 miles of thin string into a tennis ball. Or even a single cell membrane, which not only keeps needed fluids in and toxins out, but is still “breathable” enough to allow an exchange of nutrients and expel waste. Some crazy accident huh? If a single function a cell has wasn’t working properly, it would die off and all life would stop existing. Same thing would happen if the instructions for reproduction weren’t in place.

The cell membrane allows for diffusion. Many toxins are to large to diffuse into the cell, and the cell won't let them in, but for food, cells either use photosynthesis or they eat other cells, and for waste, it diffuses out of the cell

I know how that works.

Well then you would know that there isn't a God. This makes rational sense and does not require some divine being to create it

But it's more rational to believe accidents of astronomical chance?

Yes.

That didn’t disprove anything.

It disproved your idea that some God created it

How about this as far as religion: Do you think the Bible is divine or written only by humans?

Written only by humans

I never said anything about the bible detailing geography.

If God is all-knowing, why didn't he say anything about two other freaking continents out there?

1. Yes, you did say Russia attacking Iran
2. Daniel chapter 2 verses 33 and 41 through 43 talks about America using s statue as symbolism of 7 major world powers. Babylon is the head made of gold, Medo-Persia is the arms made of silver, Greece is the body made of copper, Rome is the legs made of Iron, and America is the feet, partly Iron and partly clay, which likely refers to the political division.

Correction: that’s 5 world powers not 7

There is literally no reference to another continent (Or 2) across the Atlantic

That’s a garbage argument. If God had all knowledge written down the Bible would be insanely long. Besides, not all that information is necessary. The purpose of the Bible is to provide the information to guide christians. Humans can and did map the Earth on their own. There is some extra information in there though. Leviticus chapter 13 and 14 detail all the measures god gave to Moses as to how to halt the spread of leprosy and other measures to take. This was more than 1,000 years before anyone had a clue what germs were, they still thought sickness was malicious spirits or something.

Again, I feel like God wouldn't have had to put in all his knowledge, but at least he could've told us that there was some sort of land mass across the Atlantic

Or Job 36: 27 and 28 which describe the water cycle back when the rest of the world was sacrificing to rain gods.

'The bible describes the water cycle therefore God'
That is stupid, it extremely easy to figure out how the water cycle works

Here’s a picture of the statue for reference

As I said, no reference in the Bible to 2 other continents out there

Part 2:
The Bible record of Jesus and his disciples includes numerous references to historical figures and events in the first century. The apostle Luke wrote of events that occurred in “the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (29 C.E.), when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was district ruler of Galilee.” (Luke 3:1-3, 21) Luke also mentioned four other important officials​—Philip (Herod’s brother), Lysanias, Annas, and Caiaphas. All seven names have been corroborated by secular historians. Tiberius Caesar is well-known, and the Roman Senate appointed him as emperor on September 15 of the year 14 C.E., when Jesus was about 15 years of age. Pontius Pilate’s name appears with that of Tiberius in an account written by Roman historian Tacitus shortly after the Bible was completed. In regard to the term “Christian,” Tacitus wrote: “Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.” This confirms the entire gospel account of both Jesus’ existence and death. But what about prophecies in the modern day? Ezekiel chapter 38 describes “Gog of Magog” uniting to invade Israel in the time of the end. It describes Gomer from the remotest part of the north (Russia), Meshech and Tubal (Turkey), Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, Cush (Sudan), Put (Libya), and Magog is the central Asian countries such as Kazachstan. In opposition to these powers it describes Tarshish (A powerful western nation), and Sheba and Dedan (Saudi Arabia). Russia is currently building strong relations with Turkey, Iran, and the other nations the Bible listed, and can you guess who is opposing that alliance? The United States, Western European nations (Tarshish), and Saudi Arabia.

As I have said previously, Jesus was most likely just an ordinary dude preaching a snazzy new religion, and the Romans didn't like it, so they killed him. Simple as.
Also, That prophecy says that Russia, Turkey, Iran, Ethiopia, Sudan, Libya and other Central Asian countries are uniting to invade most Western European countries and Saudi Arabia. The scenario that is happening is Russia, Turkey, Iran, etc., making diplomatic bonds, and America, most of Western Europe opposing it because they are paranoid about communism happening again, and Saudi Arabia sticking with them because the US and Western countries are their best oil clients

Historians and scholars have dated the book of Isaiah, for example, at 150 to 70 B.C. And even if that’s fake, I own my great grandfather’s Bible from 1910 that contains the same Gog of Magog prophecy. I’ll wait and see how it comes true. The account says they will invade Israel.

Again, all bibles are similar, and Russia has yet to attack Isreal

Not just "modern", way ahead of its time. The scripture that says the Earth hangs on nothing was written about 800 years before Copernicus, the physicist who determined that.

Most educated people believed the Earth was round at that time, including the ancient Greeks

It never said Russia would attack Iran. It said Russia wand Iran would become allies, which they did. Now the only part of the prophecy that hasn’t been fulfilled is the attack from Gog and Magog on Israel.

1. I said that Russia has yet to attack Israel. Reread the comment, stupid.

2. The prophecy never said anything about America. The bible never says anything about America, actually

Again, telling us there's 2 other continents isn't necessary to be a Christian. The information in the Bible is only what is necessary to practice the faith, not geography.

The knowledge in the bible correlates very well with what people knew at the time that it was written

After they attack, the prophecy in Ezekiel 38 and 39 states that there will be an earthquake and that the soldiers from Magog will die from fire raining down. I'll wait and see how much of this happens.

Yes, if fire rains down on Russian troops if they invade Israel, then you were right

Not the Leviticus account I just told you about on measures to take in the case of disease. Once again, nobody had a clue what to do when disease struck at this time period. Job 26:7 says the Earth is suspended upon nothing hundreds of years before even the intellectually advanced Greece still believed Atlas carries the Earth and other nations believed things like massive turtles carrying the world. The Bible most certainly does give advanced information.

Really? The bible says that someone cured a disease by touching the ill person

In some ways the bible is modern for its time, but in others, it is very much of its time

So you trust accidents and explosions creating an incredibly complex living membrane instantly? Heh, well let me just take a bunch of hardware parts and shake them around in a bucket. Sooner or later I'll get a watch for sure. Obviously it's ridiculous to think that. I can never get a watch out of random parts, there's nothing to connect them and the watch is too complicated and works together with itself. So why is it suddenly rational to believe not only can it happen, but it can create life, which is unimaginably more complicated than a watch?

Chemicals and the substances that make up a cell are more likely to make a cell than a bunch of hardware parts into a watch. With a watch, everything has to be put together correctly, but with a cell, you don't need screws, and order, bolts, etc., you just need the right stuff

"Also, That prophecy says that Russia, Turkey, Iran, Ethiopia, Sudan, Libya and other Central Asian countries are uniting to invade most Western European countries and Saudi Arabia." Not sure if I responded directly to this yet but just to be completely clear the scripture says that they will attack Israel, not west Europe and Saudi. To make my final statement on the Gog of Magog prophecy: Gog refers to a specific leader who has not been identified yet, Magog refers to the lands of the nations that will invade Israel. Here is the most up to date map I have found of the lands of Magog.

https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/article/rise-turkey-and-ezekiel-38-39

But are they actually attacking Israel?

In a cell you still need it to be put together. Remember the DNA organization system? It's far more advanced than anything humans have ever built in decades of research and experimentation. But it's rational to believe chance created it in an instant.

yes?

Still, the scripture stating the Earth is round was written 1 century before the earliest Greek texts about the round Earth. Are you arguing that a Jewish shepherd was more advanced than all Greek philosophers? That's another reason for me to believe it is divine.

Or maybe it wasn't a Jewish shepherd, but educated Jews who wrote it (Because that is what happened)

Nope, the prophecy says they will attack Israel according to Ezekiel 38:8.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/state-media-in-iran-russia-indicate-growing-russia-iran-turkey-alliance-602787

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/iranian-nuclear-scientist-assassinated-near-tehran-report-650457

But is Russia attacking Iran?
No

Here’s my evidence of Biblical prophecies:
2 Kings 18:9-11 names the Assyrian king Senacherib and his conquest of Judah, which archeologists have confirmed. Also in Nahum 3:7,13 the Bible prophesied the fall of Nineveh 100 years before it happened, saying that the gates will be left opened. Exactly that happened in 632 B.C.E. at the hands of the Babylonians and the Medes. In 732 B.C.E. God prophesied in the books of Isaiah chapters 44 and 45 and Jeremiah chapter 50 that Cyrus will conquer Babylon in one night, that he will divert the river to get past its defenses, and that the gates would be left open. It literally tells him by name in the prophecy. 193 years later, it was fulfilled, which Greek historians Herodotus and Xenophon confirmed. For more evidence about this, look up the Cyrus cylinder. Daniel chapter 8 predicts the conquest of Alexander The Great about 200 years in advance. It describes a goat with one horn and a ram with two horns and identifies the two horned ram as the kings of Medo-Persia in Daniel 8:20. The goat with one horn defeats the two horned ram but later the goat’s horn is split into 4. This happened when Alexander died and his top generals divided the empire. Also, Alexander’s death is a fulfillment of the prophecy that Babylon will never again be inhabited. Alexander died of typhoid fever when he tried to rebuild Babylon.

How do you even know that it was written before these events took place

They are not attacking at this exact moment. HOWEVER, they increasingly look like they are going to, and the same countries mentioned in the Bible to band together against Israel have been forging an alliance. So far the Bible predicted that with accuracy when it was written about 2,500 years ago. Now just waiting on the second half of the fulfillment.

You mean the bit where it rains fire

So if it was only written by humans how could they possibly prophecy with full accuracy?

Science isn't a prophecy

"How has he proven himself, then. I'm sure I can come up with a rational explanation for all of them"

Uh, no, I am sure you can't.

If you are seeking to disprove God, go read the Bible, and disprove every statement made in the Bible. Guess what? People have tried to do this. Ya know what happens? They end up becoming Christians!! -----Watch 'the case for Christ' movie, it is exactly about what I just said.

When was the last time God proved himself to be real then?

"When was the last time God proved himself to be real then?"

Just a second ago. To many people. God is continually working in this world. If you actually seek him and do a few things in that process, you will find him. But, if your heart is solid, but you pretend it isn't, then it looks like (to you) there is no God. :(

Then how did he prove it

He proved it to people.

I, again, clearly stated that if you can TRULY seek him, you will find him!

Or maybe, people were so desperate that the placebo effect occurred

Sure, that happened to 50 million people. Oh yeah, you like to accept the most unlikely things ever, and ignore the most likely.

A vague, all-powerful deity that no-one has seen is more likely than the placebo effect. Loads of people have taken homeopathic medicine and gotten better, but that still doesn't mean that homeopathic medicine has anything other than the placebo effect

"If the idea of God popping into being is stupid, then how did he come to be?"

Gosh, didn't you read any of my past comments!?

This is something that most Christians don't understand. That is why more elderly Christians do because it takes a long time!

Here is something that might give you a frame for how much time everyone needs.
https://www.holinesstoday.org/QA-how-did-God-come-to-exist

So now you're saying that you aren't qualified to speak for Christianity. Only speak to me about proving Christianity if you can answer all my questions. If no Christian can, then there is clearly a flaw in your belief system

"So now you're saying that you aren't qualified to speak for Christianity. Only speak to me about proving Christianity if you can answer all my questions. If no Christian can, then there is clearly a flaw in your belief system"

You love to misconstrue my comments. I clearly stated: "This is something that most Christians don't understand. That is why more elderly Christians do because it takes a long time!"

This is something that boggles the mind. Did you read the article?

Well, if you are such a clever Christian, then please tell me how God came to be

Okay dude, I am done. I have spent a very long time being very clear about my arguments, and you have given me a ton of pushback. I am done. If you want that "answer", which I doubt you do, then reread my comments.

I have read all your comments, my dear idiot, and none of them tell me how God came to be