Guess Donald Trump did a perfect job.

yes but u underestimated a little

yea im sure of it too

he'll then start saying what a terrible job everyone else is doing

learn to lafgh

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus

Don't misrepresent facts please. It reflects poorly on yourself and the legitimate criticism you otherwise make.

Thanks for linking the video to which I provided a transcript. Glad to see we're on the same page. Now let me break down what you apparently failed to understand and simultaneously read into too much:

He never once said, "let's inject bleach into a subject's blood stream." He said they were going to experiment (obviously with models and data first, not human subjects, which I would hope you understand as that is basic medical ethics) as to whether a DISINFECTANT (I emphasize that word because it is NOT analogous to 'bleach') could be applied to a localized area via injection and kill COVID-19. Again, once you take into account basic medical ethics you SHOULD understand he is only saying here that they will look into whether this could be a viable therapy or treatment to humanely treat COVID-19.

A disinfectant is not bleach. It is generally a substance that dissolves, blocks or otherwise neutralizes pathogens. Antibiotics and antiviral substances fall under the term. If this was a doctored clip and he did in fact say, "I'm advocating for bleach being injected into the bloodstream of COVID-positive patients." then I encourage you to link the clip. If it's properly sourced and verified I'll eat my words on this matter.

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Did you hear him say 'bleach'?

I didn't...probably because he didn't say it. Have an upvote.

He's probably furiously editing a clip of him so it looks like he tells us to inject bleach into ourselves.

Like you conservatives don’t have any experience editing clips of the enemy

It was a joke...

u have an upvote

The lengths to which self-appointed internet experts on Covid will go to cover for obvious off-the-cuff unscientific Trumpist nonsense is

fascinating

If you're so smart then, my good sir, please break down my arguments with facts on State/Federal balance of responsibility in crisis response. With regards to Trump's comments I welcome you to post a clip of that scene where he tells us to inject bleach into our bloodstream. What he said was clearly a reference to the previously discussed (if I remember that clip correctly) potential for injecting localized, harmless-to-humans chemicals as a therapy or treatment...'disinfectant' covers antiviral treatments commonly in use today. It doesn't necessarily mean an acidic/basic chemical solution.

If the UV/disinfectant comments were just a one-off flub in a presidency that was otherwise responsive to the Covid crisis, I’d give it to ya.

Problem is it is one of a series of missteps that in their totality cannot be explained except by Occam’s Razor: Donald Trump is a moron.

1. Start with the fact he pulled infectious disease experts out of China long before Covid even started.

2. Proceed to “their new hoax” and the bold prediction that 15 cases would soon fall to zero because of a China travel ban. Well: did they?

3. Then consider that he predicted it would all be over by Easter with the warming weather.

4. Consider how he drug his feet for months and months before agreeing to be photographed in public wearing a face mask, which appeared to be a course-correction I commended him for at the time, but then he backslid into his usual pattern of mocking people for wearing masks when they allegedly shouldn’t, mocking people for not wearing masks when they allegedly should,

5. Going beyond his authority as President to tweet about “liberating” states from lockdowns (with a heavy emphasis on purple states run by Democratic governors), saying that we’d be leading the world if not for blue states (except if you let all the other countries categorically exclude their largest cities and population centers, they too would look a lot better), etc.

6. The Uv/disinfectant comments I won’t rehash

7. The shilling for hydroxychloroquine that didn’t pan out

8. The much more recent shilling for “Regeneron” based only on his own anecdotal experience and in contradiction of what his own doctors told him about the drug being therapeutic/experimental

9. Promising a vaccine rollout far faster than experts predict

10. Warring with Fauci one day, making nice with him the next

Need I go on? This isn’t leadership. It’s floundering.

1. According to this article (the website has been rated as being no more biased politically than CNN by mediafactcheckbias.com) we tried to get a disease team into China in early January. That they rebuffed them and suppressed all further warnings of how dangerous COVID was is on them, not us. Here's the article:
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200407/fact-check-did-us-send-experts-to-china-at-start-of-coronavirus-outbreak

2. An idiotic statement we can all agree. Given how the world was denied warning of the threat COVID poses due to the CCP's suppression it was inevitable it would spread. Given what we know about asymptomatic carriers as well I don't think anyone should have said we could block it without very advanced warning. Now, I'll grant that there's a chance states could have shut it down via immediate lockdown, but I don't think any of them were willing to do that when we were convinced it was no worse than a flu at the time.

3. That theory was accepted as possible by many established medical journals and doctors...after all, since COVID is a respiratory illness there was always the chance it would abate with warmer air like the cold and flu. I don't recall his exact statements made at the time, but if he or any medical professionals guaranteed it would disappear then that was wrong.

4. Masks are a frustrating issue. I'm all for leaving them up to each state and calling it a day, but the leader of the national government does indeed set an example by his actions. If he, his cabinet, and family isolated and could avoid contact with others then it would be a non-issue...as it stands he was banking on being tested frequently enough to negate the need to wear a mask, which as I understand is to prevent the spread of virus-laden droplets from exhalations of infected folks. Clearly his plan didn't work, since he got it.

My stance on masks is that everyone should just wear the darn things for now. It's not a big deal, and the gators and buffs (which were proven to be highly effective in arresting droplets) like I wear are comfortable and nice in winter months anyways...keeps your lips from getting cold. Now, if in a year we're not out of the woods then I think we need to ditch them...we don't want to be wearing masks for the rest of our lives. But that's all in the future, and I think the President of the most powerful country on earth could have set a good example by wearing one.
[I'll continue this, I'm running out of space.

[Part 3, scroll for the second bit...I can't reply to a reply to myself evidently. Sorry for the bad formatting, I'm new to Imgflip.]

Again though, Regeneron's benefits or dangers is something about which only the medical community can inform us, so I'll go to them for the final answer.

9. I've got a feeling he was told that Warp Speed would yield definite results by X date, which we've probably reached, and he's impatient. From what I've heard we could have one in a week or two, which would be a record, but if the delays are on the end of the researchers and he doesn't learn about them until after making a statement then that's not his fault. If he knows that it will be delayed and promises it early in a bid to garner support then that's wrong. It's speculation either way, but we don't know much more than that.

10. This is how relationships work. A President is not required to fully agree with his Cabinet and advisors on all issues. The President appointed Fauci for his expertise with hard policy, not opinions on issues like mask mandates (which I would contend is a political policy, not a health on, if it's being discussed on a national level. The Feds don't have the right to tell states what to do). I know that sounds like an impossibly fine distinction, but that's how I view it...personally I couldn't care less about Federal squabbles. My governor's response to COVID is the paramount issue. All Trump needs to do is get us money if needed, which he did. As I said earlier, I would like to see Trump wearing a mask to set an example, but I would loathe a Federal mask mandate. I can't reiterate the issue of state's rights enough.

In summary I would say that we've about gotten what we should have expected from Trump. He is a decisive bulldog. In terms of getting money to states and making Federal assets available to them he was brutally effective and efficient. That tenacity does not translate well to conceding valid points to experts and smoothing ruffled feathers from a publicity perspective. I didn't help elect him for his looks or charm though, I wanted results and knew I could cut through the BS with a minimum of research. He's done more than he gets credit for.

[Continued]

Now, it was his decision as a citizen not to do so, and to anyone blind enough to follow his example without researching facts on the pros/cons of masks then I can only say 'get smart'. As leader though I would have liked to have seen him wear it...it's not a big deal to do so. I do it every day.

5. Will you please link some tweets or other comments of his? I'm not denying he said that, it sounds like something we'd hear from him. I'll assume they're true for now. He didn't go beyond his authority with the rhetoric, but the message was definitely wrong. What a state does within its borders is its own business so long as it's not denying U.S citizens their basic human or Constitutional rights. The worst he could do to them would be cut federal funding to various civil and COVID related projects, but that's a mutually destructive option. Cutting COVID funding would be wrong and violate a state's right to Federal aid in a crisis...cutting it to civil projects is certainly an option, but not over masks. Again, they're not a big deal and wearing them for another year isn't going to kill anyone.

6. I think I've explained my case here as well, so I agree; let's move on.

7. Hydroxychloroquine has never been something a lot of doctors will willingly prescribe outside of a controlled environment because of the potential side-effects. There was the big study in France that got it a lot of publicity, for better or for worse...here's the CDC article on it from that time frame: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6935a4.htm

The jury was out even then. It definitely wasn't safe as an over the counter drug, or even one that would commonly be prescribed for a respiratory illness as Trump seemed to want. I've always been dubious of it myself. I'm going to again chalk my response to this up by saying anyone dumb enough to ignore the medical community on matters of medical issues deserves whatever they get, be it an illness or bad publicity.

8. At least Regeneron seemed to work. I have no clue what comprises the drug or how it targets the virus, but if its proven safe in a larger trial and can be made for sale to the general public I see no issue with him praising it. Any ethical and safe tool to combat the virus is a good one. I think it's more likely that he caught the mild strain of COVID and would have pulled through just fine anyways, but if the drug truly is that good then it can only benefit us all.

[To be continued again.]

Alright man: Have a few upvotes for being logical and reasonable and detailed and not resorting to personal attacks, which is much more the norm here on this stream whenever I try to talk politics with those on the other side.

I still think you're in the position of having to work way too hard to explain and justify Trump's record on Covid. It would be so much easier to look at all of these missteps in their totality, and the hard numbers of Covid cases/deaths, compared with other developed countries -- even some developing countries -- that got it "more right" than we did, and conclude Trump is in over his head.

The bottom-line question when casting any vote in an election with an incumbent is this: Does the man running for re-election deserve to keep his job?

And on the vital issue of Covid (which barely beats out the economy as being the #1 issue on most Americans' minds right now according to polls, and for good reason), I would submit he does not.

huh

Amazing how you want to ignore a blatant lie as if you would if it was the other way around..

ojh

Nope. Human cells get killed by disinfectant too, our cells, and viruses are very similar.

Um, all antiviral therapies qualify as 'disinfectant'. It doesn't just mean bleach and lysol. Those are aggressive disinfectants that destroy all organic cells they touch...other examples would be disinfectants that neutralize specific pathogens by preventing them from replicating their RNA in a myriad of ways. Was it perhaps the best term for that conversation? No. Clearly a lot of people had no clue what he meant. However he wasn't wrong either.

He simply did not mean it that way. Those types of disinfectant take hours, even days to work out their course. He said: "...And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it [the virus] out in one minute..." that doesn't seem right, and before you ask, here is his second quote: "...but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful..." Does that seem to adhere to science at all? Do you think that if you put a covid patient on a tanning bed for five minutes they would be cured? Nope.

I didn't hear him saying we'd put IV's with bleach into patients' veins nor that they would be subjected to tanning beds...I heard the President informing the press that they were looking into experimental therapies that could potentially be developed into a treatment one day and giving us some details of how they could potentially work. He was responding to Bill Bryan, who had discussed some potentially intriguing data that suggested COVID viruses were susceptible to intense high-frequency radiation (I.E UV light).

I am genuinely concerned for anyone who listened to Mr. Bryan and then the President and went away from that press conference thinking, "OK then they told me to inject myself with Dettol and lie down in a tanning bed for an hour. That sounds smart." I'm not saying you thought this, but that is what most of the people slamming him on this count seem to have gleaned from that press conference.

Edit: Actually Mr. Bryan said 'intense solar light', not necessarily UV light.

He asked a go***mn doctor if it would work. During an interview. Broadcasted live.

You are an idiot, look at the clip he never even says the word bleach. He is ruminating on possible treatments and says maybe they can inject some sort of disinfectant. Anyone with a brain cell left can figure that out. Saying he said to inject bleach is a f**king lie created by democrat spin doctors and retold by liars.

Exactly. The doctor who was talking about it said only that they were looking into light and disinfecting therapies...we don't know any details except that IF they somehow worked then research would move forward. Some people are so desperate to criticize the man that we get stupid misinterpretations like this...

Right, I find myself defending him simply on principle. They Left have none or if the do they look the other way due to their TDS, but right is right and truth is truth and hypocrisy is hypocrisy that doesn’t change.

Yep...it's even harder when the moderates on either side lump their moderate counterparts in with the fringe on either side...completely destroys any chance to express one's opinions without being subjected to a withering hail of hateful speech.

For me Trump is Pro-Life and Pro-State's rights...Biden is a disgrace to my Catholic Faith, and therefore I'll fight for Trump. I don't care about his personal views, I only care about his policies.

I started out more moderate but the SJW’s and super liberal Leftists don’t see any difference. You are a Nazi and a racist if you disagree. I however don’t fear those words because I’m not and I won’t be silenced by them.

Yeah. The fringe comprises 10% of the population and 90% of the vitriol.

Truly salty and toxic, as well with an urgent hate to blame everything on democrats.

Democrats get blamed for what they support and or the hypocritical
Nature of that support to it. As in “you
Must bake my cake for my gay wedding regardless of your personal beliefs“, but also “if you don’t like twitter censoring you you can take your business elsewhere.”

1st sentence: g r a m m a t i c al e r r o r
2nd sentence and beyond: Literally make no sense
The whole comment: I literally can't understand it

Exposing your hypocrisy is triggering you isn’t it? Well I can’t fix your hypocrisy only you can. Just try not to be one. If you say your for something then be for it, not just when it is to your liking.

When did I even show hypocrisy?

Exactly...some people just can't grasp that Trump acted to his full authority and the rest is up to the States.

yea

LITERLIYYYYYYYYY?!?!

Joe Biden/Obama's pandemic response team would have cured coronavirus on day one.

Prove me wrong.
;P

Given we haven't yet cured it after months of intensive research I fail to see how a change in people overseeing the scientists would make a difference in the rate of their work. They already have the best minds, unlimited funding, and the best data analytics teams on the planet.

Trump's covid team couldn't cure a pimple. Mike Pence and "idiots" like Fauci...? Gimme a break. Biden has the power of Obama bro.
;P

He would have enforced masks across America and helped lockdowns, he would have stopped in person gatherings and encourage social distancing. He will help families with low amounts of money by sending stimulus packages.

He is lowering the money from the stimulus package.

You should stop talking to a mirror and get some help

huh

Those are both unconstitutional. Before you come back with, "Well the Constitution wasn't built with this in mind." know that smallpox killed more people those days than COVID ever will. They specifically wanted to avoid giving POTUS an opportunity to create a dictatorship by giving him emergency powers. It is a state issue. They can, and have, requested Federal aid. What they do with this aid is up to them and they deserve the blame for death counts in their borders as it was supposed to be their responsibility to have a ready influenza pandemic response plan.

As for a stimulus package, FightingUntruth hit the nail on the head. The Republicans have a counteroffer in place that the Democrats have been refusing. Interestingly enough, it gets the same amount of money to families with low income. The difference between the two packages is the Democrats are using the crisis as a vehicle to ship money to causes they support but aren't actually necessary destinations for money during a pandemic. They're getting away with it because they can argue the Republicans aren't putting enough money on causes and a shortchanging the public when in fact it's the Democrats holding the public hostage.

How can I make such a claim? Just watch the Congressional proceedings on C-SPAN or read transcripts and news cuts. It's easy to pick up on the blatant hypocrisy if you listen in.

I'm a fast typer. Writing is my profession. I'm not a bot any more than you are sir.

Correct, Smallpox was the most lethal disease at the time, and there were huge advancements being made in the field of inoculation, vaccines, and basic quarantine theory. Look at Dr. Edward Jenner's work, which was conducted only a short time after the Constitution had been implemented. If the Founders thought it would be beneficial for the Federal government to override the states on medical matters they would have added an Amendment to the Constitution. If they didn't think it was necessary to take the states' (who obviously know their local needs better than a federal employee or officer) rights away during Smallpox's reign of terror, then we don't need to during COVID. Local officials aren't dumb. They are better equipped and prepared to respond to crises in their area. They just lack funding, which the state and Federal government can and has provided upon their request. The spread is certainly an aspect, but a myriad of factors (from China's initial suppression of warnings to the inability of Congress and POTUS to close borders efficiently) prevented us from sealing ourselves in.

No, we Republicans make plenty of mistakes. He who claims to be perfect is a liar. We support needless wars. We lie and create false moral justifications for blocking justice nominees like Merrick Garland when all we should have said was, "We're the majority party and do not approve of this selection.". The list goes on. What I'm saying is there was no reason for Pelosi to block their stimulus package, which would have helped thousands or millions of Americans, when it was on the table. Why did she? It was because the Democrat counteroffer siphoned much more money for side projects of theirs that were not bipartisan issues and would never have passed otherwise. It was political manipulation of a crisis.

Yeah, when I heard them say that I thought, "That sounds good right now, but it'll come back to bite us sooner or later'...it was way sooner than I thought.

1st paragraph: Valid explanation
2nd paragraph: Confusing
3rd paragraph: Agreeable

The second paragraph was essentially me saying that there is no reason states can't handle pandemics within their borders, so long as they have access to Federal aid if needed. State and local officials know their demographics and regions better than a Federal officer, so they will be better able to allocate funding to families, hospitals, and businesses than a Federal plan could. Trump is taking heat for giving money to states and saying, "Do what you will with this, I trust you to make the best decisions and plans for your territory, since I wasn't elected to do your job." He can't mandate masks either, since that would violate the right of states to regulate their affairs, and not wearing masks doesn't violate the Constitution or human rights in such a way that he would have to intervene. This is a safeguard built into the Constitution so the Feds could step in if there was a legitimate issue, say if Montana suddenly started putting Native Americans in prison camps (which would obviously be wrong), but otherwise the states can do what they will.

He never encouraged injecting bleach you f**king liar

Yes you are spreader of lies. I am only toxic as truth is to liars like you. You hate the truth because it ruins your perfectly good bullshit.

You are toxic as in salty. Your swearing means you are either a 10 year old or you're just being salty. So I assume you are salty, but I can always be wrong.

Yes if you were just a liar, I would just call you a liar but since you knowingly spread untruths i add the F word for emphasis.

f word check s word check toxic check

You are the one that brought “Christian“ into it

Black Lives Matter leader: It’s time to tear down statues of “white Jesus”

And the leader of blm? This isn't some kingdom or dynasty. And evidence someone in blm said that? You are a fool. You are what you call a liberal, somebody who lies compulsively to get their way.

Oh my god. How did I bring religion in it? I never even thought about bringing religion, and you out of nowhere bring it up and blame me. You are a fool, narcissist, and always want to put the blame on the left. You just want to see us as bad for things we don't do. You lying fool.

It’s all true Google it and see BLM leaders said it. then take a look at the meme below where you said it’s a Christian server. So ya you did bring it up, You deny reality even when you are part of it.

Besides your supporting people who tear down statues of the Virgin Mary and decapitate Jesus statues. Atheists are more intolerant than anyone

Inhale
You are a true fool.
People who think of others as another race, religion, or sex are fools. Like you.
Nice try, I'm a Christian. Bringing religion as a weapon makes you a disappointment to Christianity. People who bring religion on their side as a weapon are fools and not true Christians. Using religion as your weapon makes you a fool and you are basically shooting yourself with your own gun. You are a complete idiot beyond SydneyB and Lokiare if you think BLM protestors take down religious statues.

Delusional, maybe if there were no riots it would be less but not likely 33k

So the white supremacists trying to get people to hate blm by causing most of the violence count as covid deaths?

😂 you are so absurdly delusional. White supremists are not causing the riots. BLM and Antifa are causing the riots. If people would stay out of mass frenzied screaming and yelling crowds and then taking their infections home to the vulnerable maybe their would have been less death. Maybe, I don’t know though look at Italy. They are rioting over lockdowns after seeing a surge despite exemplary mask usage. You pitiful fools think you can control something that is related to the flu and have you noticed the flu comes back every year?

BLM protestors themselves cause the riots sometimes, but blaming it on antifa and leftists is stupid. have you noticed the white people in the protests? Some of them are supremacists, wanting you to think about blm the way you do.

Have you noticed that some of them aren’t and that there are also lots of videos showing masses of people entering stores and walking out with stuff. I never saw a Nazi flag or a heil Hitler from any of them. I did see a lot of BLM shirts and bandanas and Che Guevara shirts and Antifa logos. Is it the white supremists rioting in Philly?

Excuse me but you clearly don't know what white supremacy is.
There is a difference between a nazi and a white supremacist
White supremacists think that whites are basically the superior race and hate all other racists, nazis only hate jews.

Do BLM members who spout black melanoid supremacy think they are superior to melanin deficient peoples? Do jews think as gods chosen they are the superior race? Are only white people racist? What white supremists are looting Philadelphia? Where they in Portland? Did they create the Chop zone in Seattle? You are looney tunes. White supremists are not causing the riots your world is a delusion. Put the crack pipe down.

How ridiculous can you get? You are a fool and a right wing news parrot.
I never said all BLM "riots" are cause by white supremacists. The white people that get arrested in them are the supremacists, some BLM protestors do riot, but peacful protestors are ashamed of them. The majority of BLM protestors are innocent.

Oh, so the white people arrested at riots are white supremists. Well at least your not biased against white people. Pffffft. Your comments are nonsensical. You clearly stated most of the problems were caused by white supremists. Most? You really believe that? 😂

it seems like you can't.

ok

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