When the Right thinks they know more than FBI/DHS

Fact: Black people in America commit murder at 8 times the rate of the rest of the population.

But yeah, "white supremacy" is the real problem.

How much DMT do you have to take for this shit to make sense?

Ah, the old murder is the same as terrorism argument.

How narrow.

If you murder your wife, that is domestic violence, not terrorism. Your goal was to attack HER, not terrorize society.

If you get on a bus and blow yourself up murdering several on the bus, that is terrorism. You had no intent to murder the specific people you killed. Your intent was to "kill people" with the goal of terrorizing the entire society so no one feels safe going out. The 9/11 terrorist had no idea who was on the plane or who was in the tower, they murdered all those people to have the effect of terrorizing the entire society.

This is why I personally view the riots, specifically stopping people in cars, as terrorism. The mobs are going for the effect of striking fear. No one can feel safe in their car when you are seeing random uninvolved people dragged from their car and beaten. Next time it could be you.

That’s why if you’re caught in an angry mob, you do *not* stop your car. You drive over a dozen bodies if you have to, but do not let them stop you.

People who run people over for a mob get put in jail. Judge will simply ask you "what were you doing there in the first place?"

Going to work?
Drive around, take a detour.
Have an appointment?
Reschedule.
You work in the zone?
Odds are its closed.
Hospital is in the area?
Go to a different one.

There's no reason to run people over unless you put your car there to cause trouble. Period.

Why am *I* there? Driving on a public street in my car? Why am *I* there?

No, you sick f--k. You're asking the wrong question. What is the violent mob illegally blocking traffic doing there?

You are evil. Reginald Denny says go straight to Hell.

How many people did "white supremacists" kill in the U.S. last year?

37 people died and about 25 people injured in 2019 and that's just straight total kill count and casualty count - terrorist attacks and murders.

I think the number is 19, not 37. But, either way.. are those numbers good or bad? In a country of 350 million, how many deaths would we predict? Terror deaths have declined every year under Trump. Clearly, we all want zero. As long as we have freedoms such as speech and gun rights, you'll always have a few nut cases. We should definitely try to stop them all. But, public policy is all about finding the balance between risk and cost. In this case, finding balance between 350 million having freedoms while a few people abuse that freedom. To get the number to zero, we need to take away freedoms from all 350 million... and, Americans object to this.

2017 total white supremacist murders: 17
2018 total white supremacist murders: 12
2019 total white supremacist murders: 39
So far in 2020? 7

It's been a good year!

Total white people killed by blacks 2019: about 450. Who cares about your “white supremacist murders,” you lying fly-infested pile of feces?

Blacks make up like what, 20% of the population? Whites make up 70-75%? Seems to me from this chart in 2018 that blacks were at much, much greater risk of anti-black crimes than whites had in anti-white crimes.

Tsk tsk tsk.

I gotta admit, I feel really silly for having such a low number before. I gotta thank you for showing me this FBI database as it proves my point. Though, I have to wonder where you received your 450 number from since the FBI hasn't posted a 2019 year on it yet...

Gonna go with the FBI on this one. Original meme stands.

You mad?

"Bias incident"? What does that mean? And who cares? I'm pretty sure most "bias incidents" aren't anywhere near as serious as murder. And they're much easier to fake. Heck, if they don't deliberately go back and clean out false reports, Jussie Smollett may be on a list like that.

Seriously, there is no end to your lies.

Provide sources from credible sites like FBI Database and National Library of Medicine?
Check
Get called a liar for providing credible sourcing and opposition attacks the credibility of said sources?
Check.

What does "bias incident" mean? Give me a definition or shut the hell up.

People as ignorant as you should keep their mouth shut until they learn. Blacks are about 13% of the U.S. population. Whites are about 63%.

"Bias incident" is like "covid death"

According to United States Census Bureau (2019) total pop is (rounding all numbers to nearest whole number) 328million.
Whites make up 71% of the population at 236 million.
Blacks make up 13.4% of the population at 44 million.

To make the populations equal, you have to increase the population of blacks until they reach 236 million to make the math equal

236/44= a factor of 5.36

FBI hasn't released it's 2019 report yet, but we can figure that the populations are *roughly* the same in ratio

According to the FBI Hate Crime Statistics report, There are 762 anti-white incidents, with 1001 offenses, 1038 victims and 754 known offenders (this number is not broken down by race)
Now, for Anti-Black statistics, we have to multiply each number by the factor listed above to account for what percentage of Blacks suffer anti-black hate crimes.

Incidents of Anti-Black crimes: 1943 multiply by factor: 5.36 adjusted: 10414.
Offenses of Anti-Black crimes: 2325 " " " 5.36 adjusted: 12462
Victims of Anti-Black crimes: 2426 " " " 5.36 adjusted: 13003
Known offenders: 1707 again, not broken down by race of offenders.

So now we compare notes. Let's just compare victims, the highest number out of the three classifications.

Number of victims by anti-white crimes: 1038
Number of victims by anti-black crimes: 13003* (adjusted for population to be equal to whites)

So let's stop for a minute and think about that number I didn't expand upon. Remember "Known offenders"?

Leet's take the number of known offenders for anti-black crimes, and divide them by the percentage of population contained by whites: 71%.

All things being equal, whites make up 1207 known offenders out of the total known offenders of anti-black. I didn't even consider the calculation of blacks being anti-black offenders, so there's some margin for error to assume that these instances are extremely rare.

I also acknowledge that Hispanics may be at a higher rate than represented here. They could also be at lower rates as well. So I dug up some maps to try to map it out to adjust populations. Found some interesting stuff.
Arkansas, South Carolina and Wyoming do not have -any- laws against hate crimes.
Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Colorado, Kansas, Wisconsin, Missouri, Tennessee, Indiana, Mississippi, Alabama, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire and Alaska have hate crime laws, but does not require data collection on hate crimes.

Replying to both your comments above this box: in re: what does bias incident mean. I will say that you can check this on the FBI website as cited in the image. I would surmise you're just too lazy to check it out - that's fine. I don't care:

"A single-bias incident is defined as an incident in which one or more offense types are motivated by the same bias."

Your second post, to which census are your collecting your information? Let's compare notes.

"A single-bias incident is defined as an incident in which one or more offense types are motivated by the same bias."

So, that could be almost anything. That provides no information whatsoever. And yes, if they don't bother to clean out false positives, that could very well include hoaxes, such as Jussie Smollett or Bubba Wallace. And there are *a lot* of fake hate crimes.

Seriously, you must have sustained brain damage if you actually think this proves anything. You are incapable of engaging in real argument.

Tell me more how I'm incapable of providing any argument... I would appreciate any evidence that adds to the data I've provided or to the contrary of this data.

[Btw I hate how imgflip stops you from replying to comment chains after a while, it can make some conversations very confusing when you have to jump around to other chains that aren't finished.]

"Btw I hate how imgflip stops you from replying to comment chains after a while"

Well, that's something we can agree on. It's addressing a real problem, though. I've seen message boards with indented replies where, deep into a long conversation, the replies become vertical strings of letters. There's no perfect solution, just trade-offs.

Oh no, not the names, whatever shall I do? Yet, none of the murders had no connections or affiliations to any racial supremacy group, were not racially motivated. You're just pulling total murders as a red herring.

Good try though, son. Keep it up, you'll have a valid point one day xD

Ah, more complete bullshit. I knew I could count on you.

Let's start with the murders.

12/5/2019 Tulsa, OK - Seven members and associates of the Universal Aryan Brotherhood, an Oklahoma-based white supremacist killing gang, allegedly tortured and killed a fellow member, Jared Langworthy.

12/1/2019 Wichita Falls, TX Corey Allen Trumbull, whom authorities have described as having "white supremacist beliefs," allegedly beat an 11-year-old boy to death in a domestic violence incident. He has been charged with capital murder and other charges.

9/29/2019 Red Rock, TX Anthony Voight, a member of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, allegedly shot and killed a man during an argument at Voight's property.

9/29/2019 Red Rock, TX Anthony Voight, a member of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, allegedly shot and killed a man during an argument at Voight's property.

9/3/2019Henrico County, VA James Thomas Seay, a white supremacist with past ties to a number of Klan and other groups, was charged with second-degree murder for the shooting death of his uncle. No motive was made public at the time of the arrest.

8/11/2019 Bullhead City, AZ White supremacist Traver Proulx stabbed his mother to death during an argument.

*8/3/2019 El Paso, TX White supremacist Patrick Crusius launched a shooting spree targeting Hispanics at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, killing 22 people initially and injuring 24 more; in 2020 one of the injured died of wounds sustained in the attack, changing the death toll to 23 killed and 23 injured.

7/23/2019 Manchester, NH White supremacist Damien Seace murdered his girlfriend by beating her to death with a leg from a piece of furniture. In June 2020 he pleaded guilty to first degree murder and received a life sentence.

5/6/2019 Susanville, CA A member of the Aryan Brotherhood, Robert John Stockton, allegedly stabbed to death his new cellmate, Rodney DeLong, because DeLong was considered an "enemy" of the gang.

4/27/2019 Poway, CA White supremacist John T. Earnest allegedly opened fire at a synagogue in Poway, California, killing one person and injuring three before fleeing. He was reportedly emulating white supremacist Brenton Tarrant's killing spree in New Zealand in March 2019.

4/16/2019 Tucson, AZ Blane Barksdale, a member of the Arizona Aryan Brotherhood, and his wife, Susan Barksdale, allegedly murdered an elderly man in his home, stole 500 guns from him, then burnt his house down.

Should I finish the rest of the year?

So a bunch of white guys killing other white guys in domestic situations counts as a white supremacist terrorist murder. How absolutely braindead are you. Just wow. Imagine I started to make up some black supremacist bs everytime a gangbanger killed another. I can't believe you are this stupid. Please please please tell me you are trolling.

Facts don't lie bruh.

The ADL does lie, though. They’re an anti-white hate group.

Yeah, you totally read through the list... xD Lazy ass mofo pretending he read it.

*8/3/2019 El Paso, TX White supremacist Patrick Crusius launched a shooting spree targeting Hispanics at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, killing 22 people initially and injuring 24 more; in 2020 one of the injured died of wounds sustained in the attack, changing the death toll to 23 killed and 23 injured.

Seriously, you lying f--king sack of shit. You say "Oh ho! Terrorism and murder are not the same. You fool!!!!"

Then the first two incidents on your shitty dishonest list are completely unrelated to terrorism. F--k you. F--k your lies.

Totally insincere and ham handed attempt to manipulate the facts. He is listing murders committed by people with ties to the Aryan brotherhood a prison based fang who killed people for whatever reason not even racially motivated. He doesn’t want to look at racial crimes statistics about white on black and black on white comparison because it destroys his narrative.

Part One:

According to United States Census Bureau (2019) total pop is (rounding all numbers to nearest whole number) 328million.
Whites make up 71% of the population at 236 million.
Blacks make up 13.4% of the population at 44 million.

To make the populations equal, you have to increase the population of blacks until they reach 236 million to make the math equal

236/44= a factor of 5.36

FBI hasn't released it's 2019 report yet, but we can figure that the populations are *roughly* the same in ratio

According to the FBI Hate Crime Statistics report, There are 762 anti-white incidents, with 1001 offenses, 1038 victims and 754 known offenders (this number is not broken down by race)
Now, for Anti-Black statistics, we have to multiply each number by the factor listed above to account for what percentage of Blacks suffer anti-black hate crimes.

Incidents of Anti-Black crimes: 1943 multiply by factor: 5.36 adjusted: 10414.
Offenses of Anti-Black crimes: 2325 " " " 5.36 adjusted: 12462
Victims of Anti-Black crimes: 2426 " " " 5.36 adjusted: 13003
Known offenders: 1707 again, not broken down by race of offenders.

So now we compare notes. Let's just compare victims, the highest number out of the three classifications.

Number of victims by anti-white crimes: 1038
Number of victims by anti-black crimes: 13003* (adjusted for population to be equal to whites)

So let's stop for a minute and think about that number I didn't expand upon. Remember "Known offenders"?

Leet's take the number of known offenders for anti-black crimes, and divide them by the percentage of population contained by whites: 71%.

All things being equal, whites make up 1207 known offenders out of the total known offenders of anti-black. I didn't even consider the calculation of blacks being anti-black offenders, so there's some margin for error to assume that these instances are extremely rare.

I also acknowledge that Hispanics may be at a higher rate than represented here. They could also be at lower rates as well. So I dug up some maps to try to map it out to adjust populations. Found some interesting stuff.
Arkansas, South Carolina and Wyoming do not have -any- laws against hate crimes.
Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Colorado, Kansas, Wisconsin, Missouri, Tennessee, Indiana, Mississippi, Alabama, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire and Alaska have hate crime laws, but does not require data collection on hate crimes.

Why would you go through such a torturous route to figure up proportional rates and percentages. You over complicate to obscure simple facts. Race on race crime is relevant. And in the murder category 13% of the population commits as many murders as the teams I see of the population. This is indicative of higher participation lethal Criminal Activity which would correlate to higher police interaction which would then lead to higher number of bad outcomes. It’s simple and it’s truth.

You're welcome to augment my findings with more relevant data from y2019.

But as I see it right now? Anti-black crimes occur at a much, much higher rate than whites do per population. Given the data, whites are the largest part of that statistic. Again, leaving the variable for the high unlikelyhood for there to be black on black racial crimes.

Part Two:

All other states have Hate Crime Laws and require data collection on hate crimes.

I can only speculate on how worse it is for hate crimes in states that don't record this information.

For the purposes of definitions:

A single-bias incident is defined as an incident in which one or more offense types are motivated by the same bias.

Hate Crime Law: A specific statute that criminalizes acts motivated by the victim's identity with a particular group or groups. Often these groups include race, religion, national origin, and disability.

Data Collection: State law requires that data be collected about hate crimes. Often this data is collected by state law enforcement agencies or a records agency and includes information about the motivations, victims, and perpetrators of hate crimes.

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/laws-and-policies
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2018/tables/table-1.xls

Blacks commit more interraciaI Murder than all the other races combined. Why? You say they are victims of hate crimes at a higher percentage. Ok so what? They aren’t the only victims

“A new FBI report indicates that hate crimes committed against white Americans are the fastest growing racial hate crimes in the United States.

The FBI report on 2016 Hate Crime Statistics shows that in 2016, there was a nearly 20 percent increase in reported anti-white hate crime offenses in the United States.“

Though the data is old the trend continues and when results are in for 2020 it will be an explosion aside from the fact that hate crimes in total are underreported overall and especially against whites as the racial bias that whites can’t be victims of racism.

To the person suffering the hate it doesn’t matter who else suffers it. You deny the open racism many black people display for white people as well I have seen this in person. I have seen whote people make comments as well. Have you heard what Latinos call blacks? It’s pretty racist. How about what blacks call Latinos? Your one way racism is wrong. In truth the use of the word racism is wrong. Prejudice is much more prevalent than racism. It exists in all humans and is not limited to race it can be for physical attributes, manner of speaking, region of origin, etc. End result is there is no systemic racism. That’s a lie.

Ah. Interracial Murder is not the same as a hate crime.

I see you quoting things, but there are no sources posted. Where they at?

So per the 2018 study which is more recent, 1:234,104 whites experience a hate crime.

While in 2018, 1:18,137 blacks will experience a hate crime. That is mountains of difference.

You have data which suggests that anti-white racism is on the rise. Quite possibly.

I wonder if it has anything to do with White anti-black racism? Hmmm...

What is your point? It doesn’t change the fact that all races are perpetrators of hate crimes and victimized by it as well.

The point is, blacks suffer racial crimes for their race nearly thirteen times higher than whites do. Saying this is a non-issue because everyone else has race issues too is like saying "Sure he has an amputation, but look at my cut!" You're missing the point entirely. Equality in approaching the problem is not a solution. This needs to be approached through social equity.

This is part of the reason why Democrats give you Republicans a confused look when they claim the "We pushed for de-segregation and black rights! Democrats are the racists!" Because when there's glaring racial disparity, they would rather apply the same ammount of resources to a population of ~220 mil as they would for a population of ~40mil. Have you ever worked triage?

The population of 40mil receiving 13 times the anti-race crimes as the pop of 220mil?

Like... what?

Oh, someone brings the facts down like a hammer now we got a triggered little bitch of a conservative snow flake?

Scroll down to Kylie

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After reviewing your list, I think 19 was "terror attacks." Your number appears to be "murders" including within their own organization. But, if its 19 or 37 my point still stands.

This was under the ideology category of "Right Wing (White Supremacy).

Right Wing does not mean White Supremacy. Branch Davidians were a right wing group that was multi-racial. The leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is black. It's a myth that being on the right makes you racist. Right typically means a desire for a smaller government, low taxes, support police, support military, pro-flag, pro-patriotism, national pride, gun rights, law and order, and free speech. Right is typically conservative which often includes an element of religion to help teach and reinforce conservative values. Being on the right puts a strong focus individual responsibility, where the stereo-type on the left is to blame others for your problems. You can be racist and also be on the right... or on the left for that matter.

Part Two
I would suggest he start a movement under a new name for a chance to start anew rather than inheriting the tainted name of Proud Boys and what they've represented in the very recent past.

An issue I would like to point out with the Tribalism that our country faces is both sides calling the other "Non-patriots" or "Flag Burners" as a derogatory statement. Many members of the military support the freedom of speech under the first amendment to protest the government by burning flags. The consensus is "I sacrificed for my country for those to have that right. Just as I have sacrificed for people to have the right to bear arms."

But when you mention these stances:

"Right typically means a desire for a smaller government, low taxes, support police, support military, pro-flag, pro-patriotism, national pride, gun rights, law and order, and free speech. Right is typically conservative which often includes an element of religion to help teach and reinforce conservative values."

It indirectly applies that the left is not in favor of these values and that creates the incendiary tribalism that we face today.

The left supports (for the most part) all of those things. Some take issue with Gun Laws and the nuances of religion.

Myself? I am left leaning centrist, and I identify with all those values that you mention. Some on the left want to abolish guns completely - I think that's a bad idea.
Some on the left want to limit what kinds of guns can be used. I don't think it's a bad idea, but not a good idea either, as their reasoning is to limit the capacity to commit mass murder via banning box magazines and semi-automatic weapons. In spite of that, I keep a revolver and a hand pumped shotgun. I go to the range enough that if my house is being invaded, I only need 1-2 shots (assuming the guy ducks for cover.) But, I do not fault those wanting to use firearms of different sorts for different purposes. I don't agree with having to own a 50 cal machine gun as some do in other states. Home defense doesn't need that. I also believe that if you want to form a militia and need guns, that's immediately a losing battle as guns can't really fight tanks or drones.

But enough about 2A; I digress.

The issue is representation of values.
I would argue that most value the traits you mentioned if not all.

Oh yes, I forgot I wanted to talk about religion as well.

There are some who cry out for freedom of religion claiming persecution because they're Christian. <more>

Part Three.

I used to identify as Christian and for the most part in the Northwest, people left me and my religion alone. People were accepting of it, my agnostic or atheist etc friends didn't mind. I respected their boundaries and didn't bring it up. Yet the teachings in the bible endorsed spreading the word of God and witnessing unto others. It was spoken that the word of God should be passed on to others and told to them so that they could be saved. Further, that Rapture would only come once everyone on Earth knew about the God (Rapture being the return of all God's children to Heaven). This encouraged us to go out and speak to anyone we could about Christianity. There was also a push to change the laws of the land so that they aligned with God's teachings.

Later, I dropped my beliefs for many, many reasons. Once I had done so, I started to see a glaring shift in the respect of boundaries. It wasn't how I left it. People began trying to talk to me about God. How I needed to be saved. I started feeling very uncomfortable. I no longer believed in this nonsense. I didn't want to hear it anymore. Yet still, innumerable people persisted over the years, trying to push this on me, tell me how my beliefs were wrong. Then as I grew more interested in politics, I saw that the ideals that our country were founded on such as "The separation of Church and State" was compromised. The Right were aligning their politics with Christian values. Pro-Life, Anti-LGBT, etc.

I saw the error. I saw the issue. I started to dig deeper and listened to the conversation more closely.

The agnostics and the atheists were growing mad at Christianity for pushing their faith onto them so relentlessly, telling these Godless Liberals that they were wrong in their beliefs. So, they started to bite back. Until finally they were downright attacking Christians and their values for being so invasive. For these people, their freedom of religion was compromised by a seemingly endless solicitation of one specific religion in various flavors of Catholic, Mormonism, Pentecostals, Protestants, Baptists, etc. Not only were these people trying to indoctrinate unwilling parties into their beliefs, but they were trying to have their law put into the state and federal laws as well. Thus the founding idea of "Separating Church and State" was compromised.

<more>

Part One
"Nothing I have said is even slightly fascist. I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm agreeing with you that domestic terror is our primary threat. I'm just pushing back that everyone on the spectrum of right to extreme right to radicalized right wing is racist.
>> I never said that being right-wing makes you implicitly racist.
"The leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is black. It's a myth that being on the right makes you racist. Right typically means a desire for a smaller government, low taxes, support police, support military, pro-flag, pro-patriotism, national pride, gun rights, law and order, and free speech. Right is typically conservative which often includes an element of religion to help teach and reinforce conservative values.
>> SPLC which is a recognized legal organization as reliable and credible has recently come under fire for their lines of "hate groups" becoming blurred as the marriage of church and state increases.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2018/11/08/feature/is-the-southern-poverty-law-center-judging-hate-fairly/

Despite it being WaPo, it is an article that is critical and raises some questions about the methodology that SPLC uses in classifications of Hate Groups. Such instances include Law firms that have only handled a couple of issues regarding sexual orientation, race, etc. that were questionable and met their criteria for hate when the firm in question has handled an exponential number of cases that did not involve hate. As such, my opinion being the reader, is that SPLC should drop the Pass/Fail system of Hate Groups designation and make it more analogous to more accurately define how dangerous a group is.

That being said,

I acknowledge this leader of the Proud Boys you speak of and his declarations. I commend the direction he's trying to take them. The issue is, that the majority of Proud Boys are still identifying with Gavin McInness' vision of the Proud Boys which is why SPLC has Proud Boys flagged as a Hate Group.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

Additionally, with regard to the aforementioned firms in this post, most of the cases were handled over six years ago at the time of this reading.
I would assume that one has to work to earn the trust by the actions of those who associate with them which the leader you mentioned is trying to do. However, there are bad actors in the Proud Boys who betray his vision.

Part 4: Enter Islam

I took collegiate courses on religion to understand them, despite my disdain for a belief in something that I cannot see. I studied Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Brahmanism, Buddhism and so forth. I saw a lot of inconsistencies between the various Abraham religions but a lot of commonalities as well.
Islam has a clause within the Quran that states if there is an interpretation of a scripture that can be improved for the betterment of life (I'm loosely paraphrasing) that this interpretation must be taken, rather than something that is potentially more violent or against "the good." (leaving Ethics and Philosophy courses out of this one.)
That being said, Islamophobia is an issue our country faces due to the extremists that exist within this religion. ISIS and others. But the issue is that many white supremacy groups also identify as Christian. If we shun a religion from our country for its extremism, should we not do so for the other?
The Muslims I have met are very nice and respectable people who have not sought to push their religion onto me and instead assume the interpretation of "witnessing unto others" in the interpretation that I figured was actually intended. Meaning, instead of cramming their ears with your religious views, just live your life in the light of God. Those who are moved by it will seek you out and ask to join.
Yet, when Trump was tweeting about how Obama was trying to make this an Islamic country, I was... taken aback by such a statement. What happened to the freedom of religion? USA's dominating religion is Christianity, assuredly. But, Christianity is not the official religion of USA.
I checked the demographics of USA and the percentage of populations practicing various religions. I noticed something.
First, Islam made up only 2% of the total population.
Christianity was (from memory) something like 50-70% The headline I read something about Christianity is declining in our country.
Taking all of this into consideration. I saw the issues.
We have State Officials trying to put forth Christian values in our government.
The Freedom of Religion is being co-opted to suit the Christian agenda but isn't being applied fairly by said Christians to people of other faiths.

I recognize that not all Christians are this way. There are many Christians out there who respect the individual freedoms of others. Who welcome gays, respect a woman's choice on what to do with her body, respect the religions of others.

Final. Part 5.

The issue is that the extremist... Is that even the right word to describe them? I suppose you should look at it as Conservative Christians versus Liberal Christians. I don't know. You tell me.

The more invasive Christians (Extremists? Conservative?) are pushing their agendas into the government. Forming Super PACs, banding together their votes while accusing other religious groups of doing the same. All while paying no taxes.

So in conclusion of this long discussion on my views of the matter, I conclude that in principle, I respect all the views and values of the right. I question the methods that they're being practiced. I question why one should fear one religion over another when I've seen "good" from both and "evil" from both.

I speculate that Christianity is being used by politicians to curry favor with voters. I could state several examples by Trump and his endorsements by the Christian community which cause me to raise questions.

Then I wonder, what about the faith of science? One can have faith in science, can they not? It is arguable more tangible than other faiths. So if this is true, should not our freedoms be respected as well? Our interpretations on various aspects of life?

I am in the boat of "If you live in the US, you should be free to live as you please." You should be able to practice your religions and religious beliefs as you please. But the moment that it crosses the line from you practicing your practices, to putting your practices on others, you become a hypocrite when claiming religious persecution.

Science is something that can be measured and recorded with real results. That is how we communicate over this forum. How you drive your car to work, or use your phone over a wireless frequency. There is some respect that should be given to the scientific community for their findings.

If you have read this far in earnest, taking what I have said to heart, I honestly commend you. I recognize that there are those left leaning who are more voracious than I am. Who would demand that their views be pushed on others. I don't subscribe to that belief.

I think that's enough for now. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. I absolutely do not expect you to have read any of this. I am prepared for the likely scenario of being trolled. But, I am holding out for my faith in people to see if they're actually interested in talking.

Ball's in your court.

Interesting theory about Proud Boys.

There's what they say they're about, and what they actually do. Two different things.

In this context of categorization they were specifically defining Right Wing White Supremacy.

But holy shit the level of propaganda that came out of your mouth just now made me a little sick. Kinda reminded me of Right-wing fascism.

“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Early warning signs of Fascism:
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Disdain for Human Rights
Identification of enemies is a Unifying cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government Intertwined
Corporate Powers protected
Labor Power Suppressed.
Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
Rampant Cronyism & corruption
and Fraudulent elections.

Wait, why am I trying to share information with a bunch of idiots who get their news from a conspiracy group called QAnon and a New York Tabloid? You can't talk sense to these people.

Oh, by the way, the Original Meme is still right. No matter how you cut it.

Nothing I have said is even slightly fascist. I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm agreeing with you that domestic terror is our primary threat. I'm just pushing back that everyone on the spectrum of right to extreme right to radicalized right wing is racist. These groups typically have other goals. I acknowledged groups like Neo-Nazi's and KKK exist, but these are extremists even within the extremists on the right. Everyone left, right and center condemns these groups.