There's been some controversy about religion recently

The world already functioned without religion, before humans invented it.

The world will function after religion is gone, when humans move beyond it.

holy crap this is so deep

But, the first humans had belief in God, and any time people have strayed from him, they have destroyed themselves

What? No.

Humans started with animism and fetishism, as well as ancestor worship.

Gods didn't show up til later.

Monotheistic gods much later.

And the God of Abraham wasn't invented until the Bronze Age.

Plants and other animals predate humans, they certainly functioned without religion. As animals, we humans probably functioned without religion before we invented it. And as animals, we humans, will function when relgion is a thing of the past.

I believe in humanity, and I believe in our potential.

I believe that the first humans were Adam and Eve, who were placed there by God. This would mean that the first humans had religion. I also so believe in evolution, and that God placed Adam and Eve through natural processes, such as evolution. Therefore, I don't know if pre-human sapien species had religion, but we also can't know what level of consciousness they even had

yo, see that's where this conversation is just 2 dudes yelling at each other about there beliefs because This all strains from the fact that you both have diff opinions on the definition of man and the beginning of the presence of belief it's self at least that's what I'm seeing Lemmie know what you think.!!

We have different beliefs, but we are having a calm debate. No yelling or hating happening :)

Religion has been here since the world became

Nope! ;) Humans make up such a small, smaaaaaall part of earth's history, we have had single-celled evolving all the way to humans (that were NOT religious) to modern humans. Somewhere along the way humans came up with the concept that there are ultra-powerful beings above them, then they came up with only one ultra-powerful being. So no, that's wrong.

yes and once again just like me and my boi doof said it's about what you believe in on where humans came from if you starting an argument or debate on two different topic bases it's not going to work out well.

And maybe humans will function better as they can spend the time they would waste on praying doing Actual Meaningful help instead of trying to converse with their imaginary friend 😏

Peace.

The abandonment of religion and the subsequent abandonment of morals results in the degradation of society. Ultimately, the world would come to ruin by the hands of humans.

Good morals and values are not dependent upon religion.

Goodness doesn't require religion.

People have been abandoning religion, and now we have a society of fatherless children, teen pregnancies, abortion, and encouraged homosexual behavior as a direct result.

Good point respecs.

Uh no. There are lots of causes of problems.

But many of those are direct results of abandoning our morals. most of those listed here have the major underlying factor of sex outside of marriage, for example.

Most religions have lots different rules. How do we know Christianity is the right one?

Well, we don't believe in genocide, for example

I don't know of any religions that support genocide.

The half of Islam that lives by the kuran :/

Almost EVERY legitimate Islamic scholar says their behavior violates their religion.

Not Islamic government regimes

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well that's based on your own beliefs it would probably change the course of history as we know it and a lot of things that we don't even see and involvement with religion and beliefs would completely change.

it COULD but honestly, humans have the right to religion, but yeah, it’s possible

Totally agree it shouldn't be a coerced position. When religion fades into obscurity, fine, no need to rush.

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Humans are pretty dumb.

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I guess religion controls some people's morals because it's easier to live by the bible than to come up with your own principals. So maybe. But even if God doesn't exist, the belief of him helps people. It's like Santa for adults, if you do bad things you go to hell when you die

Over the course of the years religion has done more harm than good. When people claim that religion is what gives people morals, they indirectly claim that atheists have no morals. Hmm, I've met atheists who got more morals than I've ever seen in religious people. Some of them even claiming that the reason they chose to reject religion altogether. Claiming religion is what brought us morals can therefore be seen as a direct insult to a large group of people.

Now "God wants it" or any variant of that phrase is one of the most abused excuses to justify the most horrible things, over the entire course of human history. That is unfortunately a fact. The reason the city of Jerusalem has seldom known peace is because multiple religions clash over to whom the city belongs and due to some of the holiest things of the specific religions being located there. I'm not gonna debate about who's right or wrong. I'll just stick to the facts.

In Dutch history, the 80 years war was the result of people having a different opinion about religion and became protestants. King Philip II, didn't agree with that and sent the Spanish army to kill those heretics, and make sure the Roman Catholic church would remain in power there. If you know the horrors that took place because of that, you can't speak of morals. Burning an entire city not caring about who was catholic and who was a "heretic" and just stating "God will pick out his own"... Yikes.

Yet I've seen some good sides of the church too. When there are a shoot-out in a mall in the Dutch city of Alphen-aan-de-Rijn, the church played a big role in helping people getting over the shock about what happened and unifying people.

Now I am not so naive to think that without religion we'll have a better world. People want to hate for hatred's sake. "We" are "good" and "they" are "evil". With different religions, we can easily for a "we" and "they", and fight each other both saying: "God is at our side". If religion never existed people would have found other reasons to hate each other for and to form the "we" and the "they" and to me the "we" the "good" and the "they" the "bad". The fact that religion unifies is its power and at the same time its weakness. Same goes for nationality, sports and other things. Religion also tries to debunk things scientifically proven, which is also a bit spooky. So personally I am not fond of religion, but I do know that many of its bad sides may have gone to other things if it didn't exist.

Have you seen Cosmos Possible Worlds yet?

One episode fantastically expounds on the concept of Us vs Them throughout history.

The challenge is coming to the view that all humans are Us. This is a PvE game, that people are trying to shoehorn PvP into.

Let's explore the whole of reality as one team. Team Us.

We used to live in tribes, and war used to be needed to survive back in the old days, due to the little resources nature provided. We no longer live in tribes, and the world has formed in a place in which we can no longer afford to play the game in PvP mode, but evolution has not yet adapted humans to that so we can all accept the PvE mode. The question is how many more generations are needed for this adaption to take place?

*shakes head* yes yes very good

No. If there hadn't been someone to turn to during the Black Death, so many more would have perished because they didnt believe that something could save them. I can keep this argument up but this is just my belief. Religion has been in this world since the dawn of time, they worshipped the sun, the stars, they dust beneath their feet. Now even people worship Apple, Amazon, and even Controversy. The human race needs to believe in something, or they will die of fright.

That's a short and simple answer but respect for the comment

partly true the world it what we say it is and what we preserve of it comes from humanity and religion has no meaning without people to believe in it hense the world is part of our own beliefs and has been functioning like that since the start or what ever you think is the start not gonna go into that.

No

WDYM?!?!?

Just giving my answer.

No like I want to know what you mean by "no" Throw some thoughts for me

Sorry, I had some work to do, so I couldn't give a long answer.

As societies through time have strayed from god, they have tended to destroy themselves. They start to think things like,"were way too smart to believe in a silly God like other stupid people," and that pride is usually their destruction. They start to think that they are better than others and forget that we are all equal in the eye of God. They also start to think things like, "How could this be wrong if it makes me happy?" They begin to normalize sexual behavior outside of marriage, and other stuff. Communities and societies believe they are better than their neighbors and start to go to war. They destroy each other. The worst part is, history repeats, and look at the state of the world right now.

I like the more part but I have to counter and I'm not at all trying to bash or defend either side but when you put the part "Communities and societies believe they are better than their neighbors and start to go to war." the whole base of religion, in general, *not just Christianity again no targeting just pointing stuff out back on track* is that there is an entity or entity a being something that is of higher standards and when you look at let's say the crusades they were fighting for the kingdom of god trying to claim certain regions for god but in that process, war death destruction occurred and when you have a group of people with a certain religion they tend to have there own beliefs and as you may know Christianity in a whole has many different bands and If you look at it those people all claim to in a nutshell to be under god but it was the people that took one religon base and changed the rules which sorta sounds like what you said "They start to think things like,"were way too smart to believe in a silly God like other stupid people" but not completely and I think that those people now are not seen as echal unlike how god sees them as because if they can change the very rules and basis of there religon then that gives them power over others and can make them be shown closer to a god like figure like the "pope"

Anyway, that was just my two sense on the topic Lemmie know what you think and take as long as you want no pressure it's all good I don't want to sound like a troll just tryna takedown and sham people for there beliefs but it's nice to have a nice friendly open debate well until next time Peace.!!

Nah, you have my respect. I can tell you are just trying to compare beliefs. Disagreement isn't trolling.

I will start by saying this. Only one religion is true in the end. I, of course, believe in the one I know to be true, but so do most people. Keeping that in mind, a war between religions will only have a right and wrong side, or just two wrong sides. Any religion that tells you you are better than your neighbor because you know the truth is wrong. A real God who created everyone must see all of us mortals equally and love all his children the same. He would never tell you that you are superior to anyone else. Likewise, he would never tell anyone to kill anyone unless they pose a threat to you or your family's lives. Wars over religion absolutely miss the point of religion all together. Wrong religion is equivalent to no religion.

I like that "Wrong religion is equivalent to no religion" and "I, of course, believe in the one I know to be true, but so do most people", but just to add no reply needed but I think where just all saying the same thing if you think about it in a whole there's no end to the discussion/ argument because whether a religion is true is whether you believe it is for a whole not based on a specific belief. Thx for this discussion and just wanna add if you wanna maby hit me up and chat a little bout stuff "!on imgflip!" you can maybe join my stream

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Alright. I think I'll finish this by saying this: the hard thing about religious discussion is that we all believe that we are right. That is why so much contention always breaks out around it. It was really nice to have a good, thoughtful discussion about it all. Thanks!

YW and I completely agree Respecs