He should not have been killed like that, but destroying a country over a criminal's life and raising him up as an angel?

He didn't just rob a store, he tried passing a fake $20, the video even shows him sitting in his car with a door open accross the street from the store as police pull up. Worst robbery getaway ever. So just a small fact for your meme. Also, no evidence of drugs on his person when "arrested", I use that term loosely, cuz he died. You're just trying to justify. Trying to pass off a fake $20 is not an executional offence. Nobody needed to die

Oh, my mistake. He TRIED to rob a store by passing a fake 20 and had drugs in his system and on his person.

I didn't say he needed to die, so quit putting words into my mouth.

You don't even know that he tried to pass a fake 20. I mean, my Mom went to a bank machine in Buffalo, and the bank machine gave her a fake 20. A store detected it and took it away from her. She didn't try to rob them. No police were called, and if they were, they probably wouldn't have even arrested her, but simply asked her where she got the money from.

And you're making a big deal about not putting words in your mouth. Okay, you said he was no angel, you didn't say he deserved to die. So what? What is in the point of saying he is no angel then? As far as I'm concerned the implied message of saying he was no angel, is saying that he didn't entirely not deserve what happened to him.

Damn, imgflip getting racist now.

Fraud, not robbery. Look it up

He tried to steal from a store by passing fake money. Call it what you want. He tried committing a crime as he had done much of his adult life. His family says he was changing his life around and yet he was still committing a crime. The fact you gloss over that fact is troubling, bit you're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

You're arguing with someone whose mind is sewn shut.

Believe it or not he and I used to get along until they separated the politics from the fun stream and he lost his mind. I tried being civil with him before, but like all progressives, he couldn't be bothered to be civil with me. Leftists can't be friends with anyone they disagree with.

Okay, very few can. You're not normal. lol

Timber and I get on like a house on fire...

Yep, I can be civil with anyone on this site that are civil with me. But if you start accusing me of things or get into pretty name calling, I can go that route too.

Octavia is civil with me so I'm Civil with him. No matter our politics we get along. And I don't have a problem with liberals, I have a problem with progressives. But as I mentioned, you're civil with me, I'm civil with you.

Not sure how to take that. 🤔

Heh, we have civil, entertaining conversations, despite his conservativism and my liberalism.

But not on his person. So, to recap, he was charged with passing counterfeit money, which is fraud not robery, and no drugs on his person. Does it really matter he had drugs in his system? Is that a reason to be killed?
You don't want to talk about chauvins long sordid history with formal complaints brought against him as a cop? He was no angel either

he did have drugs on his person...

Maybe you should read the title of my meme slower and more closely. You keep putting words into my mouth. I never once said he deserved to be killed.

Never said you did, I asked if that's a reason. You just keep trying to justify the actions of the cops, making excuses against Floyd. Gee, why are people protesting around the world?

I did not make an excuse. This meme has to do with people raising him up as a man to look up to and an angel to be admired. He was anything but that. That doesn't mean he deserved to die under a bad cop's knee.

There are innocent people being murdered and their businesses and homes being destroyed over a man who is being called a saint when he was definitely no saint.

You don't seem too concerned about the other innocent victims in this case, like all those who have lost their lives and who are being accosted by thugs in masks. Why is that? Their lives somehow don't matter because they're just pawns in a greater mission?

They're not raising him up to be an angel, jesus christ, how obtuse can you be? Nobody's a f**king angel, chauvin included. They are protesting the syste,....you know what, I'm wasting my breath, good luck , remember, the pointy ends of your fork go in your mouth, careful of your eyes

Really? No one is raising him up as an angel?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2020/jun/05/george-floyd-murals-worldwide-street-artists&ved=2ahUKEwi-sYjOtO7pAhUEna0KHXz5C5cQFjAGegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3c4uhidMsqRUB9XflLoyH-

Try again.

Angel wings cuz he in heaven now. It's okay to be a little racist, own it, we already know how you feel, no worries, we never have to have a beer with eachother, I am ok with that.

There it is!!!!!
The final argument: RACIST!!!!!!!!

Predictable Ponce

You know you're winning an argument when "progressives" call you racist.

Obtuse? Pot calling kettle, pal, pot calling kettle.

how are you wasting your breath if you're typing?

Because they want to make poowr widdle Donny look baddie waddie?

Ohhh, there it is. Throwing the racism card out. It took you a little longer than expected, but you came through. You leftist stains on society never disappoint.

Well, own it then, you doing everything you can to discredit Floyd and Justifying chauvin. Including the false facts in your meme.

I'm not justifying his death. Call me a racist all you want, I don't have to justify anything to you or anyone else.

You don't even know my race and yet you're calling me a racist and I'm supposedly defending the cop who killed Floyd.

I seen your million point pic

Back when we actually got along. But like a true leftist you can't stay civil with someone you disagree with.

Yes, I'm half Hispanic. But I've been called a racist toward Hispanics because I don't believe illegals should be given benefits in this country.

Being labelled a racist means absolutely nothing these days.

Read the title of my meme.

Did. But here's the thing. Then you kept on talking.

"Police can't do that" is the END of the argument. That is it! That is all there is to it! When you are faced with LITERAL government tyrrany, deflecting the issue away from that tyranny is helping nobody but the tools of that tyrrany.

Except I didn't do that, so you can take it however you want to. Are you in favor of refunding and disbanding the entire police force? Because that's what your party (or at the least, the party you typically side with) is thinking strongly of doing.

*defunding

Yes you did. That's EXACTLY what you did.

You're changing the argument. Nice try, but won't fly with me.

Actually, during the 18th century - when the constitution was written - it was common for robbers to be executed by hanging. "Progressives" will no doubt say that societies no longer doing this is "progress" When looking at most metros run by them filled with crime - I don't know how they could argue this.

The data clearly shows that countries that punish crime severely have almost zero crime. Saudi Arabia and Singapore come to mind. It's been said that a woman could put her purse down on a busy sidewalk in Saudi Arabia and leave it there and no one would dare touch it.

This is how it should be. People should fear bad consequences when they do something wrong, not be rewarded or coddled like they often are in blue states or metros.

And if it turns out you were innocent then tough shit?

He wasn't innocent - That's the point. He's only bringing up due process for the same reason a shady defense attorney brings it up when trying to get a scum bag off on a technicality. You think this special prosecutor they hired cares about due process in regards to the police officer they're trying? They're only interested in nailing him to the wall in direct proportion to public outrage - not the properly applied charges and law.

I wasn't referring to an individual, I was referring to anyone who receives the death sentence but is then found to be innocent.

These are just a few examples, I wonder how many more there would be if the death sentence was given more often?

1. Cameron Todd Willingham—In 1992, Willingham was convicted of arson murder in Texas. He was believed to have intentionally set a fire that killed his three kids. In 2004, he was put to death. Unfortunately, the Texas Forensic Science Commission later found that the evidence was misinterpreted, and they concluded that none of the evidence used against Willingham was valid. As it turns out, the fire really was accidental.

2. Ruben Cantu—Cantu was 17 at the time the crime he was alleged of committing took place. Cantu was convicted of capital murder, and in 1993, the Texas teen was executed. About 12 years after his death, investigations show that Cantu likely didn’t commit the murder. The lone eyewitness recanted his testimony, and Cantu’s co-defendant later admitted he allowed his friend to be falsely accused. He says Cantu wasn’t even there the night of the murder.

3. Larry Griffin—Griffin was put to death in 1995 for the 1981 murder of Quintin Moss, a Missouri drug dealer. Griffin always maintained his innocence, and now, evidence seems to indicate he was telling the truth. The first police officer on the scene now says the eyewitness account was false, even though the officer supported the claims during the trial. Another eyewitness who was wounded during the attack was never contacted during the trial, and he says Griffin wasn’t present at the crime scene that night.

4. Carlos DeLuna—In 1989, DeLuna was executed for the stabbing of a Texas convenience store clerk. Almost 20 years later, Chicago Tribune uncovered evidence that shows DeLuna was likely innocent. The evidence showed that Carlos Hernandez, a man who even confessed to the murder many times, actually did the crime.

So you're arguing against the death penalty? What does that Red Herring fallacy have to do with the current topic?

Let's take it up anyways.

You listed a total of 4 people over the span of the past 31 years. I wouldn't exactly call that a high rate of failure by our justice system. There is always a possibility for a lack of justice to be served, but you don't base the punishment on that potential failure. And to suggest that you should is ridiculous.

One of the reasons many states have abandoned capital punishment is because of the litigation costs of putting someone to death. There is a very a lengthy review and appeals process before they can actually put someone to death. They don't just kill people willy nilly.

"Actually, during the 18th century - when the constitution was written - it was common for robbers to be executed by hanging. "Progressives" will no doubt say that societies no longer doing this is "progress" When looking at most metros run by them filled with crime - I don't know how they could argue this.

The data clearly shows that countries that punish crime severely have almost zero crime. Saudi Arabia and Singapore come to mind. It's been said that a woman could put her purse down on a busy sidewalk in Saudi Arabia and leave it there and no one would dare touch it.

This is how it should be. People should fear bad consequences when they do something wrong, not be rewarded or coddled like they often are in blue states or metros."

You implied that you think robbers should be hanged, I pointed out that if you increase the number of people receiving the death sentence, you increase the number of people that are killed despite being innocent.

I listed 4 people as an example, not because that's how many have been executed despite being innocent over the last 31 years.

"You implied that you think robbers should be hanged, I pointed out that if you increase the number of people receiving the death sentence, you increase the number of people that are killed despite being innocent."

You have simply claimed - not argued this. However, the point is irrelevant even if true. There will never be perfect justice regardless of the type of punishment employed - so your objection is a non sequitur in arguing against the death penalty or a man being punished severely for robbery.

This also commits a what if fallacy. The fact that imperfect justice exists is not an argument to lessen punishments because " What if " the person is actually innocent.

I don't think 'let's not punish people by killing them in case they are innocent' is an unsound argument.

Death is a disproportionate punishment for robbery.

That there will never be perfect justice is not a good reason to enact disproportionate justice.

If some proportion of people that are executed are innocent, increasing the number of executions risks increasing the number of innocent people being killed.

You're right, it's not an unsound argument, It's not an argument at all. That death is a disproportionate punishment for robbery is nothing but an empty claim.

With due respect. That there will never been perfect justice as grounds to enact disproportionate justice is about as ignorant an empty claim as they come. The fact of the matter is, the wide majority of people who are convicted are guilty. A tiny minority are not.

To lessen the punishment in light of this would actually cause higher recidivism rates and death to the innocent as a result of those criminals who are coddled. This has been proven in soft on crime metros for decades now.

I'm not even reading past that first sentence. Even in our most backwards days, the police didn't hang robbers - the courts did.

Because the Constitution said we all get due process.

So you lost me right there on that first piece of dishonest nonsense.

If you're not reading past the first sentence - you're not interested in an intellectually honest exchange. Your meme implied an unjust sentence - not the failure to apply due process.

You want an intellectually honest exchange and that's how you start it?

That's correct. I addressed you according to what your own meme implied. You mentioned the crime and the punishment. Chances are strong based on his criminal history he wouldn't have even been alive in the 18th century to be snuffed out by a cop later.

Frig this faker.

Last year I commented on one of his memes IN AGREEMENT with the point he was making, and he kept repeating some inane bogus question pretending I was arguing AGAINST him when I was totally IN AGREEMENT with him. No matter how many times I told him otherwise, he just kept on doing his windup circus monkey act as if I didn't say it.

Also note his hours here, he's another early to bed, early to rise'er.
Maybe he's up in the dark am hours to milk the cows. With one hand as he memes with the other.